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Old 06-29-2017, 04:00 PM   #886
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I think you fail to grasp that evolved society lives in a Post-Morality Pragmatic Utopia in which empathy has become obsolete.
Say what you will, but we post-moral pragmatists are carbon friendly. We have only as many kids as we can afford (including paying for higher ed), which means fewer cars, less use of fuel, less energy consumption per household, less food consumption (lower methane!), less water consumption... hell -- less everything!

We also try not to send Junior into the student loan system, which means lower chance of default on taxpayer's dimes. And with the money we save voting for lower taxes every chance we get, we avoid taxing the state with benefit costs in our dotage.

We who don't believe anyone is owed or entitled to anything tend to be pretty solid stewards, as we expect to be treated with indifference.

Does the Moral State take care of us some? Of course it does. But we try to avoid having to depend on it. (Don't confuse the "hands off my Medicare" folks with us... they're dependents to the core -- big govt bigots.) We don't want to need any more than we want to be needed.

It's perhaps a chilly island, maybe a little mean to some, but it's got a low carbon footprint, and it tries to run in the black.
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Old 06-29-2017, 04:06 PM   #887
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Say what you will, but we post-moral pragmatists are carbon friendly. We have only as many kids as we can afford (including paying for higher ed), which means fewer cars, less use of fuel, less energy consumption per household, less food consumption (lower methane!), less water consumption... hell -- less everything!

We also try not to send Junior into the student loan system, which means lower chance of default on taxpayer's dimes. And with the money we save voting for lower taxes every chance we get, we avoid taxing the state with benefit costs in our dotage.

We who don't believe anyone is owed or entitled to anything tend to be pretty solid stewards, as we expect to be treated with indifference.

Does the Moral State take care of us some? Of course it does. But we try to avoid having to depend on it. (Don't confuse the "hands off my Medicare" folks with us... they're dependents to the core -- big govt bigots.) We don't want to need any more than we want to be needed.

It's perhaps a chilly island, maybe a little mean to some, but it's got a low carbon footprint, and it tries to run in the black.
Why can't you be pragmatic AND moral?
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Old 06-29-2017, 05:19 PM   #888
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Does the Moral State take care of us some? Of course it does. But we try to avoid having to depend on it.
Do you claim the home mortgage interest deduction or use the interstates?
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Old 06-29-2017, 05:19 PM   #889
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Why can't you be pragmatic AND moral?
Sorry, it's either/or, not a la carte.
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Old 06-29-2017, 05:24 PM   #890
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It's perhaps a chilly island, maybe a little mean to some, but it's got a low carbon footprint, and it tries to run in the black.
It's absolutely bizarre to argue that low carbon footprint correlates to a lack of empathy.

Of course, it's just as bizarre to apparently believe that morality is synonymous with religion and thus with stereotypes of the religious.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure my bicycles, which are actually my primary modes of transportation, have a lower carbon footprint than your Canyonero.
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Do you ... use the interstates?
I drove on an interstate last saturday (entirely within the city of Minneapolis, though) and both Saturday and Sunday two weekends before that!
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It's absolutely bizarre to argue that low carbon footprint correlates to a lack of empathy.

Of course, it's just as bizarre to apparently believe that morality is synonymous with religion and thus with stereotypes of the religious.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure my bicycles, which are actually my primary modes of transportation, have a lower carbon footprint than your Canyonero.
If so, I'm pretty sure that living in California's moderate climes makes me much less empathetic than either of you. Especially now that I don't jet around the world.

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Old 06-29-2017, 07:12 PM   #893
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If so, I'm pretty sure that living in California's moderate climes makes me much less empathetic than either of you. Especially now that I don't jet around the world.

When you and Atticus came to see me you were in an hour long traffic jam, which I assume happens to you frequently. You are the problem, city claims nonetheless.
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When you and Atticus came to see me you were in an hour long traffic jam, which I assume happens to you frequently. You are the problem, city claims nonetheless.
Almost never, as I take public transit to work.
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Why can't you be pragmatic AND moral?
I was working with your descriptive ("post moral pragmatism").

I don't see any reason one can't be both.
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It's absolutely bizarre to argue that low carbon footprint correlates to a lack of empathy.

Of course, it's just as bizarre to apparently believe that morality is synonymous with religion and thus with stereotypes of the religious.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure my bicycles, which are actually my primary modes of transportation, have a lower carbon footprint than your Canyonero.
I didn't say it did. I said those of us who expect little from the state tend to save and conserve more than those who expect a lot.

I think it'd be great to have a huge family. But good schools are expensive. So unlike those who saddle the planet with carbon consuming issue they cannot afford, I have a small family.
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I was working with your descriptive ("post moral pragmatism").

I don't see any reason one can't be both.
My descriptive? You have an amazing ability to fail to understand that we can still access things you wrote on the internet a few days ago. Like:

"But we're in a post-morality world. Pragmatism, empirical data, and rationality rule among the smarter sets of us."
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I didn't say it did. I said those of us who expect little from the state tend to save and conserve more than those who expect a lot.
Yeah, I don't think that's even remotely true. In fact, I think those who expect little from the state are especially likely to leverage themselves for McMansions and fancy vehicles while decrying the real moochers who get food stamps.

But I can introduce you to some car-free vegans who make their own clothes if you'd like to see saving and conserving.
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Yeah, I don't think that's even remotely true. In fact, I think those who expect little from the state are especially likely to leverage themselves for McMansions and fancy vehicles while decrying the real moochers who get food stamps.

But I can introduce you to some car-free vegans who make their own clothes if you'd like to see saving and conserving.
I've generally found that those who say they expect little from the state get quite a lot out of it when you scratch the surface. I was recently getting this line from a bank president I know, who kind of stumbled when I asked how much he had out from the Fed's window and what the rate was.

Pretty much all of the libertarian loan officers Sebby likes to talk about are really wards of the state.
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Yeah, I don't think that's even remotely true. In fact, I think those who expect little from the state are especially likely to leverage themselves for McMansions and fancy vehicles while decrying the real moochers who get food stamps.

But I can introduce you to some car-free vegans who make their own clothes if you'd like to see saving and conserving.
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