We are all Slave now.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

"The latest tale, regurgitated by President Trump—that Khashoggi was killed by government “rogues”—is belied by the evidence: among the fifteen members of the hit team that went to meet Khashoggi in Istanbul was a pathologist with a bone saw."

Dexter Filkins in The New Yorker.

Jesus.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

Jesus.

Don't you bring bone saws to board meetings in case they get out of hand?

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Don't you bring bone saws to board meetings in case they get out of hand?

I meet with surgeons on a regular basis, and they never bring the tools of the trade with them.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

I meet with surgeons on a regular basis, and they never bring the tools of the trade with them.

I've had the pleasure of a number of meetings featuring spines, heart valve and surgical instruments. Recommended.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

I meet with surgeons on a regular basis, and they never bring the tools of the trade with them.

Are you sure? Maybe you just haven't had a meeting go really wrong yet.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Are you sure? Maybe you just haven't had a meeting go really wrong yet.

Surgeons are on my shit-list right now. I'm more likely to get violent these days than they are.

[Hank Chinaski]

Flight attendant this AM dishing on having the Trump sons on a recent flight- “ they were PIGS left newspapers piled all around.” I call bullshit. Trumps read?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

Jesus.

Reports state Khashoggi was injected with a drug before being killed, or perhaps killed with a drug. The former seems more likely. The Saudis sedate prisoners to be executed before beheading. If this was done to Khashoggi, and he was then killed by decapitation, this may have been meant to convey a message, to hold the imprimatur of a truly official execution.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Reports state Khashoggi was injected with a drug before being killed, or perhaps killed with a drug. The former seems more likely. The Saudis sedate prisoners to be executed before beheading. If this was done to Khashoggi, and he was then killed by decapitation, this may have been meant to convey a message, to hold the imprimatur of a truly official execution.

I understand that everyone is all upset about this guy getting killed and all the lying about it and everything, but could we all just stop for a moment to remember that time that President Obama wore a tan suit? That was really awful.

[Not Bob]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I understand that everyone is all upset about this guy getting killed and all the lying about it and everything, but could we all just stop for a moment to remember that time that President Obama wore a tan suit? That was really awful.

There’s a double standard. There has always been a double standard. We need to get over it.

By the way, I saw this photo and can not determine who this is. I’m pretty sure that it’s a younger* Tatum O’Neal (and a really big dog) but am too lazy to really look. Bueller? Anyone?lw



*Not this young, which relates to the re line how?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Not Bob

There’s a double standard. There has always been a double standard. We need to get over it.

Double standard? There's no standard at all. Cf.:

Willard: They told me that you had gone totally insane, and that your methods were unsound.
Kurtz: Are my methods unsound?
Willard: I don't see any method at all, sir.

Speaking of double standards, Why Are The Proud Boys So Obsessed With Not Masturbating?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Double standard? There's no standard at all. Cf.:

Willard: They told me that you had gone totally insane, and that your methods were unsound.
Kurtz: Are my methods unsound?
Willard: I don't see any method at all, sir.

Speaking of double standards, Why Are The Proud Boys So Obsessed With Not Masturbating?

I don't trust people who don't drink, but are neither recovering alcoholics nor afflicted with some allergy or medical condition compelling them to teetotal. This same rule applies to a person who eschews masturbation.

I've no issue with a person who claims to be master if his or her domain. "Infrequently," or "I get enough sex that I don't need to do that," are among the most common of white lies. But a person who actually lets that kettle boil for days, perhaps weeks, without pulling it off the stove is a sick individual.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I don't trust people who don't drink, but are neither recovering alcoholics nor afflicted with some allergy or medical condition compelling them to teetotal. This same rule applies to a person who eschews masturbation.

I've no issue with a person who claims to be master if his or her domain. "Infrequently," or "I get enough sex that I don't need to do that," are among the most common of white lies. But a person who actually lets that kettle boil for days, perhaps weeks, without pulling it off the stove is a sick individual.

Just because Ty doesn’t post on weekends does mean it’s okay to passive aggressively attack him on two fronts like this.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Not Bob

There’s a double standard. There has always been a double standard. We need to get over it.

Ther's no double standard. The Right simply attacks everything the President does when he's a Democrat and the Left does not do so as effectively when he's a Republican.

In the current climate, I think the Left is tripping over dollars while chasing nickels. It spends an enormous amount of its time on squabbles over who is a more pure Leftie (shaming its moderates and engaging in virtue signalling competitions that alienate voters), purges its own best generals (Franken), and focuses on niche issues (often involving identity politics) that don't translate to the broader public.

Wealth Inequality
Tax Cuts for Plutocrats
Health Care
Middle Class Job Insecurity

Slam the GOP over the head with those four things over and over. Those are winning arguments. The Democrats should be talking about winning the Senate right now instead of wondering how thin their majority margin will be in the House.

Russia, #metoo, climate, Trump acting like a would-be dictator, grievance politics, Khashoggi, Kavanaugh... These are all important things. But they are issues that resonate most with people who are already voting Democrat... sermons to the converted.

I find the Khashoggi thing sickening, and I'm a person who already believes, particularly in foreign relations, that power is the only real rule (I increasingly believe so on domestic matters as well, but still hold out some hope of rescue). And it is galling that idiocy like Benghazi was in the media for years, while Trump's gutless reaction (enabling, really) to the Saudis on Khashoggi will probably be forgotten in two weeks. But if Democrats want Trump out, they're going to have to speak to the people who put Trump into office, on basic domestic issues.

And the message that works will not be, "We know in a global economy, you're losers, and it sucks, but we'll take care of you. We'll give you safety nets." The message that works will be, "We are not going to leave you behind. We are not going to simply offer you care. We are going to give you a seat at the policy-making table. You will be treated as equals, not as problems for elites to manage." This will be a lie to some degree, of course, for reasons I needn't note, but that message will work.

The voters both parties need - these new populists - want a say in where their lives are going. The party that gives them the promise of that will win. The party that talks about "double standards" plays the GOP's game. And loses.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I understand that everyone is all upset about this guy getting killed and all the lying about it and everything, but could we all just stop for a moment to remember that time that President Obama wore a tan suit? That was really awful.

What do you think - will Trump give Gianforte a bone saw for Christmas?