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Old 01-02-2019, 06:47 PM   #4651
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Re: We are all Slave now.

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I知 not in Croesus territory like you, but we池e well up there, and we池e not seeing anything.

But the bill must be helping somebody besides us affluent slackers. Somebody must like it and benefit from it, right?

ETA: I don稚 think we池e seeing an increase. So maybe that is something. Avoidance of paying even more is a benefit of sorts.
You will likely see an increase in taxes if you are a blue state high income wage earner, especially if you have a lot of deductions. You will also likely see an increase regardless of state if you have a modest income or lower income and are in a single parent household or have greater than average deductions (e.g., people with health care issues, large families, etc.).

If you get more income from capital gains or own your own non-services business you will likely benefit a reasonable amount.

If you are a corporation other than a services corp you likely will benefit a lot.

If you are a billionaire, you will likely benefit the most (not some schmuck like Hank whose in the top .1% but real money, the top .001%).

This tax bill was for corporate america and people who are uber-rich. Others pay for it or come out even.
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Old 01-02-2019, 08:42 PM   #4652
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You will likely see an increase in taxes if you are a blue state high income wage earner, especially if you have a lot of deductions. You will also likely see an increase regardless of state if you have a modest income or lower income and are in a single parent household or have greater than average deductions (e.g., people with health care issues, large families, etc.).

If you get more income from capital gains or own your own non-services business you will likely benefit a reasonable amount.

If you are a corporation other than a services corp you likely will benefit a lot.

If you are a billionaire, you will likely benefit the most (not some schmuck like Hank whose in the top .1% but real money, the top .001%).

This tax bill was for corporate america and people who are uber-rich. Others pay for it or come out even.
Wait, Mi has always been blue, but because of folks who decided to go third party we are red! So because of Detroit-Sebby I get a tax cut?
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:29 AM   #4653
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You will likely see an increase in taxes if you are a blue state high income wage earner, especially if you have a lot of deductions. You will also likely see an increase regardless of state if you have a modest income or lower income and are in a single parent household or have greater than average deductions (e.g., people with health care issues, large families, etc.).

If you get more income from capital gains or own your own non-services business you will likely benefit a reasonable amount.

If you are a corporation other than a services corp you likely will benefit a lot.

If you are a billionaire, you will likely benefit the most (not some schmuck like Hank whose in the top .1% but real money, the top .001%).

This tax bill was for corporate america and people who are uber-rich. Others pay for it or come out even.
I have a non-service business (I think...). So I thought, great, I get a 20% deduction on that income.

But if you look closer at the rule defining service businesses, even if what you're doing is outside the specific categories barred from the deduction, there's a catch-all: "any trade or business" based on the "reputation or skill" of the owner or employees is also excluded. That's basically every business except the sale of goods. Then you have the income threshold, which once passed requires you to undertake the most insane calculations of W-2 wages and real estate investment. Then the whole thing gets phased out at 415,000.

In sum, whatever gain I could conceivably pull from this is all but assuredly going to be wiped out by the Rube Goldberg rule scheme applied post-threshold.

This bill is a shitshow.
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:37 AM   #4654
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Wait, Mi has always been blue, but because of folks who decided to go third party we are red! So because of Detroit-Sebby I get a tax cut?
I don't know if you get a tax cut. I honestly couldn't venture a guess. You certainly won't get one on income derived from legal work, but if you dabble in real estate or have non-service related businesses, with the right mix of r/e investment and/or W-2d employees, maybe you get something?

I'm guessing whatever you might get on your best day would be just enough to pay your accountant for the annoyance of working through the calculations. And then you'd have to consider whether there's audit risk, as you know there'll be thousands of shmucks out there characterizing legal work as something else, drawing the eyes of agents to all returns claiming a mix of service and non-service income.

This bill appears to have been written with two aims:

1. Give corporations a general cut to make them competitive globally (a defensible aim, even if most don'y pay much tax anyway);
2. Under cover of that laudable goal, give people in r/e, like Trump, a windfall.
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I think it's quite fair to say that if you chose to vote for conservatives, you are saying you value other things above addressing racism. This is a different thing than saying if you vote conservative you are racist.

If you vote conservative you are probably also saying you value other things above the environment. This does not make you a polluter. The same can be said for sex issues. If you vote conservative, you value other things above workplace compensation parity. This does not make you a misogynist.

If you vote progressive, you value other things above the interests of nascent life (fertilized eggs through fetuses below the age of viability outside the womb). This does not make you "pro-abortion" (or as pro-lifers might say, in favor of killing the unborn). If you vote progressive, you value other things above our defense budget. This does not make you a pacifist.

You get the point. Using extreme terms (I fully recognize the irony in my writing this) warps the debate in such a way that compromise is impossible.
Except perhaps abortion, all of these things are very different, because there are good-faith arguments to be made in favor of both ends of the policy side. We are not talking about "addressing racism," as if it's something that just exists out there in the world independent of what the government does. The government either does or does not subject blacks to searches and arrests at higher rates. It does or does not categorically discriminate against Muslims trying to enter the country. It does or does not send immigration agents to schools to detain and deport parents dropping off their kids. The Republican Party is running on these things. It's not just a question of devoting resources to undoing the effects of slavery in the nineteenth century.

Not every Republican is a racist, obviously. But those who have good intentions are casting their lot with a lot of people who doing racists things, and playing to racist voters. I absolutely believe that there are Republicans who are better and worse on these issues, but I don't see many will to take a real stand on their principles. The reason for that is depressing: Most conservative voters will punish them for it, because they like the racism.
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Old 01-03-2019, 12:58 PM   #4656
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Not every Republican is a racist, obviously. But those who have good intentions are casting their lot with a lot of people who doing racists things, and playing to racist voters. I absolutely believe that there are Republicans who are better and worse on these issues, but I don't see many will to take a real stand on their principles. The reason for that is depressing: Most conservative voters will punish them for it, because they like the racism.
Sebby is talking about voters, and you are talking about politicians, at least in this paragraph. You guys are about 50 posts in now, at least give us the courtesy of focusing,
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If one likes those aspects of the current GOP, he's a racist, or a bigot. If one truly believes Trump is the lesser of two evils, or just doesn't care much about the issue of racism or bigotry, he may be callous, cold, foolish, misguided, but he's not necessarily a racist or a bigot.
What do you call someone who votes for a bigot because he hopes to pay less in taxes?
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Sebby is talking about voters, and you are talking about politicians, at least in this paragraph. You guys are about 50 posts in now, at least give us the courtesy of focusing,
I am talking about both. I think it's telling that most of the Never Trump people are pundits and others who offer political views for a living.
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Anyone with experience in having someone declared incompetent? My FIL is 94. We took his car keys away, telling him once he passes a driving ability test (we are told he won't) he can have them back. He lives in another state so we can't watch his every move. The wily old dog had a locksmith come and make a new one. I'm trying to talk to the assisted living village staff about it. They told my wife they can have a doctor sign a letter saying he is mentally incompetent to handle finances, then she can get control and sell the car.

That sounds harsh and complicated and pushing way to much on her. He still buys his groceries, as an example. But doesn't one have to go to a court of some kind to have em declared unfit? This is in Pa.
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Anyone with experience in having someone declared incompetent? My FIL is 94. We took his car keys away, telling him once he passes a driving ability test (we are told he won't) he can have them back. He lives in another state so we can't watch his every move. The wily old dog had a locksmith come and make a new one. I'm trying to talk to the assisted living village staff about it. They told my wife they can have a doctor sign a letter saying he is mentally incompetent to handle finances, then she can get control and sell the car.

That sounds harsh and complicated and pushing way to much on her. He still buys his groceries, as an example. But doesn't one have to go to a court of some kind to have em declared unfit? This is in Pa.
Cheaper to pay a kid to keep deflating his tires.
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Cheaper to pay a kid to keep deflating his tires.
I don't want to do this*, and am hoping it is a legal procedure that will take some doing.


*this being the declaration, the air thing seems a good fall back, although he might drive over the flat tire issue.
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I don't want to do this*, and am hoping it is a legal procedure that will take some doing.


*this being the declaration, the air thing seems a good fall back, although he might drive over the flat tire issue.
We went through this with my grandparents, using persuasion instead of legal proceedings, and it was hard for everyone involved except the local body shops. At the risk of stating the obvious, you really don't want him to kill someone, and neither should he, but giving up his independence is lousy. If he lives someone with Uber/Lyft, you can buy the car from him in exchange for an open Uber/Lyft account.
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We went through this with my grandparents, using persuasion instead of legal proceedings, and it was hard for everyone involved except the local body shops. At the risk of stating the obvious, you really don't want him to kill someone, and neither should he, but giving up his independence is lousy. If he lives someone with Uber/Lyft, you can buy the car from him in exchange for an open Uber/Lyft account.
does he need a smart phone for that? and yes on the independence, I mean we took the keys away already. but having him declared unfit seems a big step up in insult. Mainly I want to confirm a proceeding is required, not just some letter (and i have confirmed it, on my own).
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does he need a smart phone for that? and yes on the independence, I mean we took the keys away already. but having him declared unfit seems a big step up in insult. Mainly I want to confirm a proceeding is required, not just some letter (and i have confirmed it, on my own).
Pretty sure he needs a smartphone for that, but maybe there are other options -- e.g., an account with a local taxi service that someone else pays for.

Even if you get him declared incompetent, you still have to enforce that, and a guy who will call his own locksmith is competent enough to have some tricks up his sleeve, I'm thinking.
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Anyone with experience in having someone declared incompetent? My FIL is 94. We took his car keys away, telling him once he passes a driving ability test (we are told he won't) he can have them back. He lives in another state so we can't watch his every move. The wily old dog had a locksmith come and make a new one. I'm trying to talk to the assisted living village staff about it. They told my wife they can have a doctor sign a letter saying he is mentally incompetent to handle finances, then she can get control and sell the car.

That sounds harsh and complicated and pushing way to much on her. He still buys his groceries, as an example. But doesn't one have to go to a court of some kind to have em declared unfit? This is in Pa.
When can a driver be re-evaluated?
New York State Vehicle & Traffic Law Section 506 (1) states that: "If the Commissioner has "reasonable grounds" to believe that a person holding a license is not qualified to drive a motor vehicle, the Commissioner may require such person submit to an examination to determine their qualifications."


What are "reasonable grounds"?
"Reasonable grounds" means that the DMV must have a "specific reason" related to driving performance why a driver needs to be contacted for a driving re-evaluation. A "specific reason" is a driving incident, behavior, action or other cause reported to the DMV by a physician, a police officer, or someone who knows or has observed the driver.


How is a re-evaluation request sent to DMV?
DMV receives reports that a driver may have a medical condition that affects his or her ability to operate a motor vehicle safely from

Police Agency Request for Driver Review (DS-5)
Physician's Request for Driver Review (pdf) (DS-6)
concerned individuals, Request for Driver Review (pdf) (DS-7)
If an individual submits a Request for Driver Review form, it must include their name and signature.

Forced license re-evaluation? Not as severe as having him declared incompetent, but can take away his license for sure. I'm sure PA has something similar.

https://dmv.ny.gov/driver-license/dm...-re-evaluation

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