Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

On days like today, I like to remind myself that the two parties are pretty much the same. If it wasn't Trump firing the law-enforcement professionals investigating his campaign for colluding with the Russians, we know Hillary would have been doing the same thing.

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

This is the Peter Principle in real time. Neither he nor his people are smart or schooled enough, particularly in quasi-criminal Machiavellian strateg-- err, I mean, politics.

Fuck 'em all. Total shitshow.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

This is the Peter Principle in real time. Neither he nor his people are smart or schooled enough, particularly in quasi-criminal Machiavellian strateg-- err, I mean, politics.

Fuck 'em all. Total shitshow.

You have become a cartoon. A total fucking cartoon. You argue that Trump has hired smart competent moderate people (with a few exceptions), yet tell us not to worry about the Comey firing because neither he nor his staff is smart enough to figure out that firing the person who is leading the investigation against you might have a chilling effect on that investigation. You repeatedly point out that Bill Clinton resorted to racist tactics with respect to sentencing guidelines and race-based scare tactics with respect to the criminal justice system in general, but we don't have to worry about racism because nobody who is racist could ever become wealthy or successful -- they are all "losers."

Is it possible to have less than zero credibility? Is that what you are shooting for? You are like the opposite of the boy who cried wolf. You could have an entire wolf pack gnawing on your balls and you would swear that there's nothing to be concerned about because everyone knows that wolves like to nibble but won't actually bite.

JB for the Daily Dose, live on Soul Train. "Say it loud . . . ."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VRSAVDlpDI

[Adder]

Meeting with the Russian the next day, and letting Russian media in but keeping US media out, and inviting Kissinger is just bizarre.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Adder

Meeting with the Russian the next day, and letting Russian media in but keeping US media out, and inviting Kissinger is just bizarre.

Do you think Kissinger may really be Mephistopheles, there to collect the soul?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

You have become a cartoon. A total fucking cartoon. You argue that Trump has hired smart competent moderate people (with a few exceptions), yet tell us not to worry about the Comey firing because neither he nor his staff is smart enough to figure out that firing the person who is leading the investigation against you might have a chilling effect on that investigation. You repeatedly point out that Bill Clinton resorted to racist tactics with respect to sentencing guidelines and race-based scare tactics with respect to the criminal justice system in general, but we don't have to worry about racism because nobody who is racist could ever become wealthy or successful -- they are all "losers."

Is it possible to have less than zero credibility? Is that what you are shooting for? You are like the opposite of the boy who cried wolf. You could have an entire wolf pack gnawing on your balls and you would swear that there's nothing to be concerned about because everyone knows that wolves like to nibble but won't actually bite.

JB for the Daily Dose, live on Soul Train. "Say it loud . . . ."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VRSAVDlpDI

Some days I find myself day dreaming, thinking about how nice it would be if Jill Stein lost her healthcare coverage and got arrested for protesting and Gary Johnson got busted by Sessions for possession, which is a preexisting condition, and they were both thrown in a for-profit prison where they could become pen pals complaining about how horrible Hillary would have been, and then I wake up, and think I must be evil for wishing this on anyone, and then I pause, and say, to hell with it, I wish it would really happen and maybe Sebby would be thrown in there with them.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

You have become a cartoon. A total fucking cartoon. You argue that Trump has hired smart competent moderate people (with a few exceptions), yet tell us not to worry about the Comey firing because neither he nor his staff is smart enough to figure out that firing the person who is leading the investigation against you might have a chilling effect on that investigation.

I'm correct about some of his staff, incorrect about others. I may also have been incorrect about some seeming competent and moderate at the outset, and later turning out to not be so competent or moderate.

These things are fluid. Time progresses, and each situation is its own subjective little universe.

You repeatedly point out that Bill Clinton resorted to racist tactics with respect to sentencing guidelines and race-based scare tactics with respect to the criminal justice system in general, but we don't have to worry about racism because nobody who is racist could ever become wealthy or successful -- they are all "losers."

The problematic racists of the moment (Trump's base) are disproportionately losers. That a quant fund freak happens to be a racist doesn't undo this.

Is it possible to have less than zero credibility? Is that what you are shooting for? You are like the opposite of the boy who cried wolf. You could have an entire wolf pack gnawing on your balls and you would swear that there's nothing to be concerned about because everyone knows that wolves like to nibble but won't actually bite.

I'm actually telling you that you're winning. You hate Trump. Given enough rope, people like Trump hang themselves. Rather than having its panties in a twist and hair on fire, the Left might instead wallow in victory? Firing Comey has utterly tanked what little credibility Trump had left.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

The problematic racists

Tell me more about the unproblematic racists.

of the moment (Trump's base) are disproportionately losers.

I'm not sure why you think loser racists are Trump's base but non-loser racists aren't. Other than Mercer, you think the non-loser racists didn't back him?

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Adder

Tell me more about the unproblematic racists.

Those are the successful ones who have control over almost every single significant business and who make hiring and investment decisions, who currently control this country's legislation and own our politicians. Actually, they are often our politicians, judges, police commissioners, etc. But their ability to affect political races through their direct vote is low compared with the problematic racists. I think that's what he's saying.

TM

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Those are the successful ones who have control over almost every single significant business and who make hiring and investment decisions, who currently control this country's legislation and own our politicians. Actually, they are often our politicians, judges, police commissioners, etc. But their ability to affect political races through their direct vote is low compared with the problematic racists. I think that's what he's saying.

TM

You mean their ability to affect races is low because all they do is provide the financing, but the other ones provide the votes?

I'm glad money has so little influence on the process.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

[Sebby] mean[s] their ability to affect races is low because all they do is provide the financing, but the other ones provide the votes?

Yes.

TM

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

The problematic racists of the moment (Trump's base) are disproportionately losers.

Trump's base is the Republican Party. Until they turn on him, he can do whatever he wants. And they aren't turning on him.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Trump's base is the Republican Party. Until they turn on him, he can do whatever he wants. And they aren't turning on him.

He's pushing the envelope with moderates. I'll defend Idi Amin just to take a counterpoint, and I can't defend the Comey firing. It's nuts. You just dont do things like that.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

This piece has enough truth in it to be truly terrifying.
_________

'Liberals like to say that we’re playing chess while Trump is playing checkers. What’s really happening is that we’re playing chess, Trump just knocked over the chessboard, and Dems are screaming “technically, you just lost” while Trump shoves our king up our asshole.

The people who can appoint a “special prosecutor” are Donald Trump, Jeff Sessions, and technically Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. It should go without saying that Donald Trump is not going to call for a special prosecutor to prosecute himself. It should also go without saying that Jeff Sessions, who has in NO WAY “recused” himself from the Russia investigation, is not going to sign off on a serious investigation into whether he colluded with the Russians to influence an election.

The freaking Lannisters have more respect for the rule of law than those two.

And if you are pinning your hopes on Rosenstein, know that he served up Comey’s head on a platter like he was probably ordered to do. There’s not going to be a special prosecutor. We are dealing with people who literally DGAF.

Congress could appoint an “independent commission” without approval from the executive branch. Of course, Congress is controlled by Republicans and Republicans have been playing the “there are no rules” game since America had the audacity to put a black man in charge. Mitch McConnell decided that black presidents only get to president for seven years, instead of eight, and won. “Deficit hawk” Paul Ryan passed a health care bill that will explode the deficit, and made people vote on it before they could read it and score it, and won. Everything that has happened in America over the past few years tells Congressional Republicans that they “win” when they simply ignore the “norms” of American governance.

You think they’ll change now? Why? WHY DO YOU THINK THAT? Again, they’re not playing a “game,” the have raw power and they are executing it. Why do you think they’re going to lube it up for you? Democrats are getting force-fed with a feeding tube, and Chuck Schumer is up there crying about his spoon full of sugar.

I know it doesn’t always seem this way, but American-style government exists by consent. The governed consent to be governed, usually by somebody nearly half of them didn’t vote for. The military consents to be governed by a civilian commander-in-chief, who in turn consents to be checked by Congress and the courts which have no military power. Elected and appointed officials consent to be governed by some old pieces of paper.

Trump does not consent. He doesn’t consent to your norms or your rules. There are only two questions Trump asks himself: “What can I do?” and “What can’t I do?” His power is not unlimited — eventually the world will rise up against him, even if Americans are too docile to do anything — but whatever power he has, he’s going to use.'

http://abovethelaw.com/2017/05/were-...by-your-rules/

TM

[Adder]

So apparently the White House story is that they were duped into allowing Russian media access to 45's meeting with Lavrov and the ambassador (not looking up the spelling), which eminently believable. Team Putin set up their victory celebration. And Team 45 wasn't even smart enough to see it coming.

Makes me wonder if they even realize that they're compromised.