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Old 07-27-2020, 07:36 PM   #2731
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Some Deservedly, Many Not

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Old 07-27-2020, 07:51 PM   #2732
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Re: A Partial List of Those Who’ve Faced Cancellation in Academia

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Let's just take your first victim of cancel culture, literally the first name on that list, Prof. Hubbard at Laney College in Oakland, who asked a freshman with the Vietnamese name Phuc Bui to change it. When she pushed back, he told her:
Your name in English sounds like Fuck Boy. If I lived in Vietnam and my name in your language sounded like Eat a Dick I would change it ....
He was put on administrative leave, and she asked for an apology. The next day, he apologized on Twitter for his insensitive actions.

Questions for you:

- Do you agree with Prof. Hubbard that he was insensitive?
- Do you think that Prof. Hubbard is a iconoclastic thinker with unpopular ideas that really ought to be part of the ongoing debate?
- Do you think that Prof. Hubbard is good at his job?
- Did he "face cancellation"? If so, how?
- Do you have any reason to think that Laney College's reaction (putting him on administrative leave) was prompted by anything any other than what Prof. Hubbard said to Phuc Bui?
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Old 07-27-2020, 07:57 PM   #2733
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Re: Some Deservedly, Many Not

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"Canceled: A Running List of the People, Places, and Things That Have Been Toppled as the Country Reckons with Racism"

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Adam Rapoport: A photo of Rapoport dressed as his idea of a “Puerto Rican” Halloween costume may have been the straw that broke the back of his tenure as editor-in-chief at Bon Appétit, but the pic was just a symptom of a far larger problem, dozens of current and former workers say. They allege a years-long pattern of mistreatment, underpayment, and underrepresentation of BIPOC. “I am the only Black woman on staff. He treats me like the help,” his assistant told Business Insider. He resigned on June 8.
Dozens of current and former workers allege a years-long pattern of mistreatment, underpayment, and underrepresentation of people of color. So are you saying that Rapoport's firing is an example of cancel culture's threat to free speech? Did you read more than the first word of that article's headline?
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Old 07-27-2020, 08:01 PM   #2734
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Re: A Partial List of Those Who’ve Faced Cancellation in Academia

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Let's just take your first victim of cancel culture, literally the first name on that list, Prof. Hubbard at Laney College in Oakland, who asked a freshman with the Vietnamese name Phuc Bui to change it. When she pushed back, he told her:
Your name in English sounds like Fuck Boy. If I lived in Vietnam and my name in your language sounded like Eat a Dick I would change it ....
He was put on administrative leave, and she asked for an apology. The next day, he apologized on Twitter for his insensitive actions.

Questions for you:

- Do you agree with Prof. Hubbard that he was insensitive?
- Do you think that Prof. Hubbard is a iconoclastic thinker with unpopular ideas that really ought to be part of the ongoing debate?
- Do you think that Prof. Hubbard is good at his job?
- Did he "face cancellation"? If so, how?
- Do you have any reason to think that Laney College's reaction (putting him on administrative leave) was prompted by anything any other than what Prof. Hubbard said to Phuc Bui?
Let’s take the whole list, shall we? I wouldn’t want to be anything less than comprehensive.

Anyone can take a single one and use it to make his case. How about you tell me, as the burden now lies with you, how many defensible and how many indefensible examples you see.
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Old 07-27-2020, 08:02 PM   #2735
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"Canceled: A Running List of the People, Places, and Things That Have Been Toppled as the Country Reckons with Racism"

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Dozens of current and former workers allege a years-long pattern of mistreatment, underpayment, and underrepresentation of people of color. So are you saying that Rapoport's firing is an example of cancel culture's threat to free speech? Did you read more than the first word of that article's headline?
That is a list. How man other names are on that list?

You can at least try to look a bit less than utterly lazy by attempting to find another case similar to Rappoport.
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Old 07-27-2020, 08:15 PM   #2736
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Let’s take the whole list, shall we? I wouldn’t want to be anything less than comprehensive.

Anyone can take a single one and use it to make his case. How about you tell me, as the burden now lies with you, how many defensible and how many indefensible examples you see.
Don't make me regret actually reading some of what you posted. If the first entry on that list is any indication of what else is on it, I don't wish to waste my time.

It's obvious that you don't want to make Prof. Hubbard of Laney College the poster boy for victims of cancel culture. Why not just concede that he's not a good example of anything and move on?
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Old 07-27-2020, 08:17 PM   #2737
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That is a list. How man other names are on that list?
It is a list. But not a list of undeserving victims of cancel culture. It's "A Running List of the People, Places, and Things That Have Been Toppled as the Country Reckons with Racism." Surely you are OK with the idea that some of the people, places and things toppled as the country reckons with racism *deserved* to get toppled. You don't want to defend Prof. Hubbard of Laney College -- don't you agree that he was no undeserving victim? Or do I have that wrong?

Are Hubbard and Rapoport victims of cancel culture, or not? I can't tell what you think. Take a stand, man.
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Old 07-27-2020, 09:49 PM   #2738
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You think Lawrence Summers was cancelled? Really?
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Old 07-27-2020, 09:57 PM   #2739
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Re: A Partial List of Those Who’ve Faced Cancellation in Academia

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Don't make me regret actually reading some of what you posted. If the first entry on that list is any indication of what else is on it, I don't wish to waste my time.

It's obvious that you don't want to make Prof. Hubbard of Laney College the poster boy for victims of cancel culture. Why not just concede that he's not a good example of anything and move on?
Another really amusing one on the list is Jordan Peterson, of incel fame. A part time professor who gained fame by being outrageous and used it to fuel his big money makers.

Did you not ready that list before posting? Or do you actually think, oh, gee, I need to defend the honor of incels everywhere?
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Re: A Partial List of Those Who’ve Faced Cancellation in Academia

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Another really amusing one on the list is Jordan Peterson, of incel fame. A part time professor who gained fame by being outrageous and used it to fuel his big money makers.

Did you not ready that list before posting? Or do you actually think, oh, gee, I need to defend the honor of incels everywhere?
Honestly, reading what you all are posting/reading, other than Icky and flower I think you all need therapy. Or a hobby. Or maybe just start watching porn more? Or something.
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Honestly, reading what you all are posting/reading, other than Icky and flower I think you all need therapy. Or a hobby. Or maybe just start watching porn more? Or something.
This is a step too far, sir. I don’t watch porn in the traditional sense and never have. I lack the attention span for the perfunctory attempts at plot.

But I consume the nude female figure online at a rate I doubt you can surpass. Even if I’ve just enjoyed carnal pleasures of the marital home in Times Covid.

So while new hobbies may be in order, I like writing things, even crazy things here, and I bike as much as you run. So I demand you retract your insults. I may not watch the long form porn or run 10 miles and chase it with a tumbler of scotch, but I hit the same heart rate, attack the gin with similar zest, and I watch a shorter form variant of the same filth.

You snob.
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Re: A Partial List of Those Who’ve Faced Cancellation in Academia

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Another really amusing one on the list is Jordan Peterson, of incel fame. A part time professor who gained fame by being outrageous and used it to fuel his big money makers.

Did you not ready that list before posting? Or do you actually think, oh, gee, I need to defend the honor of incels everywhere?
Honestly, reading what you all are posting/reading, other than Icky and flower I think you all need therapy. Or a hobby. Or maybe just start watching porn more? Or something.
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Old 07-28-2020, 02:32 AM   #2743
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Honestly, reading what you all are posting/reading, other than Icky and flower I think you all need therapy. Or a hobby. Or maybe just start watching porn more? Or something.
Is there an echo in here?
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Is there an echo in here?
I think he's drinking again.

Who knew he was a Jordan Peterson fan?
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You think Lawrence Summers was cancelled? Really?
Perhaps the better term for this petulant mob behavior is "call out culture." This would carve around the facile argument that minions engaged in attempted cancellations cannot be "cancel culture" unless the cancellation is successful.
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