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Old 04-10-2012, 04:23 PM   #1516
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Did you really just say "weak-sauce"?
I was going to go with "fierce" instead but it seemed like the wrong word . . .
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Old 04-10-2012, 04:32 PM   #1517
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I was going to go with "fierce" instead but it seemed like the wrong word . . .
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Old 04-10-2012, 04:37 PM   #1518
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Old 04-10-2012, 04:48 PM   #1519
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Can I use Botero in anti-obesity campaigns? I'm fairly certain he'd sue, successfully, to stop such appropriation. If he can do that, what's objectionable about the lesser act of commenting on why he found my use of his work offensive?
I know someone who was in the middle of nasty litigation with their neighbor, who bought a Botero and set it up ass facing neighbor.

I believe Botero would approve.

I believe there is law that makes clear that ownership of the copyright for a physical art object is separate from the physical object itself, and resides in the artist themselves, not the owner of the artwork. I will leave Hank and Icky to provide the cites and distinguish the situations involved.
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Old 04-10-2012, 05:27 PM   #1520
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But now you're talking about copyright. If I buy a Botero, and display it behind me on an easel while I talk about obesity, he has no legal claim and a weak-sauce moral objection since he sold his painting and I bought it. He can call his own press conference, but he can't stop me from displaying it alongside a message to which he is opposed.
Aren't you talking about copyright as well? The only difference between the two situations is the nature of the license and residual rights. An ASCAP license provides a limited right to use copyrighted material in certain ways. The sale of a painting may (or may not) allow its use in unlimited ways.

Anyway, have any of the artist lawsuits against politicians succeeded when all that's being done is the politician is playing the music during his/her entry (as opposed to using it in a campaign ad)? It seems like both sides get what they want--the politician has no liability for playing the song, and probably could continue to use it at campaign events, while the singer gets to distance him/herself politically from the politician, while continuing to collect a few pennies each time it is played.
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Old 04-10-2012, 05:30 PM   #1521
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Anyway, have any of the artist lawsuits against politicians succeeded when all that's being done is the politician is playing the music during his/her entry (as opposed to using it in a campaign ad)? It seems like both sides get what they want--the politician has no liability for playing the song, and probably could continue to use it at campaign events, while the singer gets to distance him/herself politically from the politician, while continuing to collect a few pennies each time it is played.
Have there been any lawsuits?
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Old 04-10-2012, 05:32 PM   #1522
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But now you're talking about copyright. If I buy a Botero, and display it behind me on an easel while I talk about obesity, he has no legal claim and a weak-sauce moral objection since he sold his painting and I bought it. He can call his own press conference, but he can't stop me from displaying it alongside a message to which he is opposed.
Interestingly when someone takes one media and adds it to another you create a derivative work for which you do need permission.

So if you play a cover song, on a record or live, you don't need permission. However, often permission is sought in exchange for giving the composer a reduced royalty.

If you would like to use the song in a movie the license isn't compulsory so the user would have to get permission from the composer.

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Old 04-10-2012, 05:38 PM   #1523
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Interestingly when someone takes one media and adds it to another you create a derivative work for which you do need permission.

So if you play a cover song, on a record or live, you don't need permission. However, often permission is sought in exchange for giving the composer a reduced royalty.

If you would like to use the song in a movie the license isn't compulsory so the user would have to get permission from the composer.

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How does that work with television? With somethig like Glee, I would assume it is creating a derivative work and therefore requires permission. But what about Idol? Do they need permission or is the license good enough (plus paying royalties as appropriate)?
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How does that work with television? With somethig like Glee, I would assume it is creating a derivative work and therefore requires permission. But what about Idol? Do they need permission or is the license good enough (plus paying royalties as appropriate)?
I know little about IP law, but I am one of the great unwashed masses who watches popular TV shows.

Glee apparently needs permission from the artist; the show creator has gotten his nose out of joint because some groups don't want their songs being done on the show.

I thought I remembered something about songs that people couldn't sing on American Idol but I don't know if it was because of licensing fees or artist permission.
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Eh. I don't need to be reminded of the worst of humanity.

The movie was actually decent though, although I thought Rue could have used a bit more character development.
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Old 04-10-2012, 09:49 PM   #1528
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Eh. I don't need to be reminded of the worst of humanity.
prolly true. at least not as long as you own a mirror.
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prolly true. at least not as long as you own a mirror.
Yes, it's funny 'cause it's true! I'm terrible!
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Yes, it's funny 'cause it's true! I'm terrible!
I'm socially pernicious so I can't tell, but people I respect here feel you are. I think I could move you towards acceptable behavior, but we'd need to see some acceptance of how hateful and harmful you have been.
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