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Old 12-14-2018, 02:24 PM   #4456
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They've done a great job with Fenway, expanding it with a bit of style while keeping most of the old classic feel, but at some point we're going to realize that if we had a park with twice as many seats it wouldn't be necessary to charge two left nuts to get an obstructed view seat. I mean, it's a great park for those of us who are willing to shell out a grand or two for the experience.

But we've lost the old feel of the bleachers, where every 18 year old from Southie could get some sun and suds for $1.50 entrance and $1 a cup back in the day. I remember being 23 in Boston living on shit wages and calling around to get a dozen of us to cut work and head to the park on a summer afternoon - good times! Doesn't happen now.

My platform, if elected, will be to bring baseball back to the people. Bleachers Creatures 4 evah!
If Fenway's owners are rational profit-maximizers, they are OK with having a too-small park that lets them charge high prices. When I lived in DC I used to go see DC United matches at RFK, and there was never a need to buy tickets in advance because you could always show up and buy a ticket.
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Old 12-14-2018, 02:29 PM   #4457
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It would happen quickly at Fenway because we just have a really severe supply/demand imbalance.

Tomorrow is the day the regular ticket sales open for the season, and they will all be gone by noon. After that, you won't get a ticket without paying at least a couple hundred for a bleachers seat, unless the team shits the bed by July, in which case prices will go down. And good seats for a Yankees game? $2000 per ticket, easy.

If you can get seats in the scramble tomorrow, do. You'll be able to resell at a markup immediately.
Sounds like prices in the primary market are much too low.
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Old 12-14-2018, 02:43 PM   #4458
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If Fenway's owners are rational profit-maximizers, they are OK with having a too-small park that lets them charge high prices. When I lived in DC I used to go see DC United matches at RFK, and there was never a need to buy tickets in advance because you could always show up and buy a ticket.
I would bet the % of the team's income from images of fenway exceeds the ticket income from the seats by a large margin?
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Old 12-14-2018, 03:41 PM   #4459
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I would bet the % of the team's income from images of fenway exceeds the ticket income from the seats by a large margin?
I think they really cleaned up developing real estate around the park.
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Old 12-14-2018, 03:57 PM   #4460
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I think they really cleaned up developing real estate around the park.
The arenas around here make more from parking lots than seats.
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Old 12-14-2018, 03:59 PM   #4461
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I’d also move Yankee up if you can discount what they did with the seats behind home. Of course as a Tigers’ fan I was happy with being in a 50% Tigers’ section behind home for several playoff games. Thurgreed, are those seats all still corporate/half empty? I can’t help but think it hurts the team.
Yes. It's disgusting what they've done. I don't even go anymore. It was bad enough when they pumped prices up and then posted sentries at every lower level to keep people from coming down and sitting with the rich people at the end of complete blowouts. And, yes, that happened decades ago and I get it.

But the idea that you can and should try to squeeze every fucking nickel out of someone going to a game by creating a completely different stadium experience for the hyper-wealthy--different entry, different food, different service--is despicable. And then they jacked up prices to an amount even rich people won't pay such that >50% of those seats remain unfilled.

It's an embarrassment. The Steinbrenners should be shamed in the streets like Cersei. I wouldn't pay face-value for a ticket (hell, I wouldn't pay at all) if we were in the World Series. And I'm exactly the type of person they should be trying to keep in the mix--lifelong fan, professional with a kid who loves sports. Fuck 'em.

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Old 12-14-2018, 04:17 PM   #4462
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And then they jacked up prices to an amount even rich people won't pay such that >50% of those seats remain unfilled.
They're unsold? Or just unused?

If the former, they sounds even worse at pricing than Sox.
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Old 12-14-2018, 04:26 PM   #4463
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They're unsold? Or just unused?

If the former, they sounds even worse at pricing than Sox.
I actually think they're unsold. They cut a lot of the prices of the seats in the super elite section in half from their original outrageous number and they still can't sell them.

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I actually think they're unsold. They cut a lot of the prices of the seats in the super elite section in half from their original outrageous number and they still can't sell them.

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yes, I would go on stubhub and get seats right behind the plate- it was half empty for playoff games but the "club" (with those seats it was free food and drinks inside) was packed- where the most rabid fans should be instead there were empty seats and rich old guys. people around me said they were all sold to corps that sell them.

and the sadder thing was there was a mob of people leaning on the rail that led into that area, looking through the empty seats to the field.

Contrast that to a game at the Garden. Rabid fans for a team that has sucked for a long while.
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Old 12-14-2018, 04:54 PM   #4465
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The arenas around here make more from parking lots than seats.
How the hell does Atlanta sell out its NFL stadium for MLS games?
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Old 12-14-2018, 05:38 PM   #4466
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Yes. It's disgusting what they've done. I don't even go anymore. It was bad enough when they pumped prices up and then posted sentries at every lower level to keep people from coming down and sitting with the rich people at the end of complete blowouts. And, yes, that happened decades ago and I get it.

But the idea that you can and should try to squeeze every fucking nickel out of someone going to a game by creating a completely different stadium experience for the hyper-wealthy--different entry, different food, different service--is despicable. And then they jacked up prices to an amount even rich people won't pay such that >50% of those seats remain unfilled.

It's an embarrassment. The Steinbrenners should be shamed in the streets like Cersei. I wouldn't pay face-value for a ticket (hell, I wouldn't pay at all) if we were in the World Series. And I'm exactly the type of person they should be trying to keep in the mix--lifelong fan, professional with a kid who loves sports. Fuck 'em.

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I went there once and got something to eat on the lower level that was messy and went to sit down at one of the stools -- just for a second to like nibble the edge off my cheeseburger or something before I went to the upper deck -- and security jumped on me like I was this girl.

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If Fenway's owners are rational profit-maximizers, they are OK with having a too-small park that lets them charge high prices. When I lived in DC I used to go see DC United matches at RFK, and there was never a need to buy tickets in advance because you could always show up and buy a ticket.
Nothing is more fun than creating shortages when you have a monopoly.

My platform, if elected, remains bringing baseball back to the masses. I think we levy a tax on them to recover all the infrastructure and other costs put into supporting Fenway, and then only backoff if they bridge back a sub-$5 price tag on bleachers with a sub$2 price for beer.

And we pass a state statute imposing anti-trust rules on them.
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