No Faith in the Moral Standards of the Players as a Group

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone

And white!

Goes without saying.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

So it seems the wailing on FB for Prince doubles that Bowie got. Is it because the collective pain after Bowie? Like okay this is too much. Or we knew Bowie was ill but Prince's death came from nowhere?

Or was he more important? To me Bowie was a God since about 73 or so. I loved Prince (although Under The Cherry Moon might be the worst movie ever), but Bowie was a step above. Yes? No?

I was more torn up by Bowie. I think it depends on whose music had more of an impact on your youth. They both were groundbreaking and totally unique talents. I'm not sure it's even right to compare them.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Goes without saying.

Despite your avatar!

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I don't know what it says, but I love all these musicians, and found Prince eh.

And please don't say it means I'm old.

I don't know what it says about you. I think Prince's Purple Rain album was just unbelievable. He managed to mix pure funk with rock in the most unique way. And someone (I forgot who) recently said, "He made it okay for black kids to be weird."

SNL did a tribute to him (which sucked, btw). But they showed a clip of his performance at the after-party for the 40th reunion show. He did a slowed down version of Let's Go Crazy that is just amazing. You can watch it here if you can manage to steel your resolve with the knowledge that you will have to suffer through Fallon's wannabe stage mugging halfway through.

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-li...-snl40/3024572

If you don't like that, I can't do nothin' for ya man.

TM

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by notcasesensitive

Despite your avatar!

My avatar is also one of the funniest characters every to come out of advertising.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I don't know what it says about you. I think Prince's Purple Rain album was just unbelievable. He managed to mix pure funk with rock in the most unique way. And someone (I forgot who) recently said, "He made it okay for black kids to be weird."

SNL did a tribute to him (which sucked, btw). But they showed a clip of his performance at the after-party for the 40th reunion show. He did a slowed down version of Let's Go Crazy that is just amazing. You can watch it here if you can manage to steel your resolve with the knowledge that you will have to suffer through Fallon's wannabe stage mugging halfway through.

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-li...-snl40/3024572

If you don't like that, I can't do nothin' for ya man.

TM

I like that quite a bit actually, and much less pop sound than I usually associate with him, and he has several great riffs, but what stands out most is the bass. Who was that on bass?

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Years after?

Are we determining who was a step above based on your random decision that influence on the music world you know is the deciding factor? I was basing it on a combination of success, influence, and talent. Is Presley a step above Bowie? Is Bieber a step above John Legend?

And I'm not so sure you're right that Bowie was more influential. But I don't really care about so many artists that white people tend to lose their minds over (and not trying to make this into a black/white thing, I'm just always confused about worship of musicians I never cared that much about, like Springsteen, Dylan, Petty, Plant, Presley, Clapton, REM, etc.*). Surely you are correct and it's a subjective taste thing. And a lot of what you've determined to be influence has to do with access denied to plenty of black artists whose styles were borrowed heavily from (or stolen, depending on you ask). But Prince had more influence over the music I tend to listen to than Bowie.

Whatever. This shit is silly.

TM

As an aside, this link is funny just for #4: http://www.laweekly.com/music/the-to...e-list-2411989

I agree this is silly. Why do we scream at each other?

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

And, when a video of Bowie admonishing MTV for not showing black artists surfaced...

That was so fucking awesome. Never even knew about it until he died.

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

Second was his unwavering commitment to bringing female musicians to the spotlight. Prince's legacy with his treatment of women is complicated, but over time it's pretty clear that he's done a ton for women in an industry that's been indifferent at best and hostile and violent at worst.

All very true.

Also, anyone who watches this clip of him telling Kim Kardashian to get off the stage, will surely think mostly pleasant thoughts about him.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0d4d3f722bef1

TM

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

I never saw either live. I don't know which one I feel worse about,

I saw both live, Bowie in the Let's Dance tour and Prince in the Purple Rain tour.

On that basis, and recognizing that earlier Bowie tours were much, much, much different -- you feel much worse about missing Prince. The Prince concert I saw wasn't even in a place where anyone would say "well, anyone performing there is going to give the best show he possibly can" -- I mean, it was fricking Worcester Mass -- and it was still stunning. If I could re-see any concert that I have seen, that would be the one.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

I agree this is silly. Why do we scream at each other?

Why do I feel like this whole string has been a long set-up for that joke?

(Nicely done.)

TM

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I like that quite a bit actually, and much less pop sound than I usually associate with him, and he has several great riffs, but what stands out most is the bass. Who was that on bass?

I dunno who was on bass. I do know that he often recorded his own music playing each and every instrument separately, putting it all together later.

Also, I'm curious about why you associate a pop sound to him. His songs don't really seem like pop music to me. They may have become popular, but I'm struggling to think of one that qualifies based on my understanding of pop music--maybe Kiss? Bowie in the 80s fits the same bill. Just because the songs become wildly popular, doesn't make them pop music.

Dude could hold a room. These are fun to watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FrSKe_w6_g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NN3...layer_embedded

TM

[Adder]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

They may have become popular, but I'm struggling to think of one that qualifies based on my understanding of pop music--maybe Kiss?

When I think "pop," at least as to the 1980s, I think Michael Jackson (King of), Madonna, Bowie, Cyndi Lauper, Duran Duran, Wham!, Whitney Houston, Lionel Richie, etc. and I guess even stuff like Phil Collins.

That said, I've listened to a lot more Prince in recent days than I have before, and there's a lot more obvious disco, blues and hip hop in there than I realized.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

http://www.lawtalkers.com/forums/sho...postcount=4046

http://www.lawtalkers.com/forums/sho...postcount=4047

http://www.lawtalkers.com/forums/sho...postcount=4048

http://www.lawtalkers.com/forums/sho...postcount=4049

TM

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I dunno who was on bass. I do know that he often recorded his own music playing each and every instrument separately, putting it all together later.

Also, I'm curious about why you associate a pop sound to him. His songs don't really seem like pop music to me. They may have become popular, but I'm struggling to think of one that qualifies based on my understanding of pop music--maybe Kiss? Bowie in the 80s fits the same bill. Just because the songs become wildly popular, doesn't make them pop music.

Dude could hold a room. These are fun to watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FrSKe_w6_g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NN3...layer_embedded

TM

The buildup in this one is just breathtaking. And I have mixed feelings about this song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC34...layer_embedded

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

The buildup in this one is just breathtaking. And I have mixed feelings about this song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC34...layer_embedded

Here he is with Miles (although they aren't playing together).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzUDU73Omks

TM