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Old 07-31-2017, 03:47 PM   #1366
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.

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Old 07-31-2017, 04:08 PM   #1368
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Old 07-31-2017, 04:14 PM   #1369
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Old 07-31-2017, 04:38 PM   #1370
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.

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What is amazing to me is that after hearing that story, Republicans would look you dead in the face and mouth, "So?" while voting for a bill that would complete fuck you and many other people over.

I hope you're that 1 in 8, but even if you are, I hope you continue kicking ass on behalf of the many people who need actual healthcare coverage. You are a fantastic advocate.

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My sister's closest friend is a history professor at an Ivy who specializes in insurance. She had this really interesting observation a few days ago:

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Insurance used to inspire all sorts of utopian thinking. The American Philosopher Josiah Royce even thought it could end war... His idea was this: all of the nations of the world would participate in a global insurance program. Famines, disasters and other misfortunes that cause unrest would be covered. PLUS, sharing risk with other nations would bring everyone closer together and inspire a spirit of mutual aid, reducing the appetite for war. That was back in 1914 or so. Lots of other folks had similar notions up through the 1930s. Then private insurers got worried that the US government was coming for their business. So they spent billions of dollars over several decades trying to convince Americans that insurance was about individual responsibility instead of solidarity, that classifying risk (labeling some people "good risks" and others "bad risks") was more important than sharing and spreading it, that being labeled a "good risk" meant you were responsible and worthy, and that people who were deemed "bad risks" - the people most in need of security - should be excluded from insurance protection AND deserved their lot.....

To this day, most Americans don't know/understand that their insurance premiums ultimately are used to pay off other people's claims. Insurance is, essentially, a form of economic redistribution. Why folks are ok with redistribution when it is controlled by for-profit, minimally regulated, private corporations that have no requirement to serve the public... but scream "socialism" when representative, democratic institutions are involved?
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Old 07-31-2017, 05:02 PM   #1371
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My sister's closest friend is a history professor at an Ivy who specializes in insurance. She had this really interesting observation a few days ago:
People like insurance because they are risk-averse. Private insurance is about spreading risk, and you can opt out. Ex ante, there isn't redistribution involved, because the bargain is offered to the market in a neutral way. People fear government insurance programs because they justifiably worry that the government will set terms that benefit some more than others, and that they won't have the ability to opt out.
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My sister's closest friend is a history professor at an Ivy who specializes in insurance. She had this really interesting observation a few days ago:
Anything else start up in 1914 and though the 30s that was going to make everything great, but then it didn't?
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Old 07-31-2017, 06:03 PM   #1373
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And here's an article that supports your position that North Korea is acting rationally. I'm not sure the ultimate goal it seems to think is the one North Korea is seeking to accomplish is a rational one or not, but it's an interesting read.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/29/w...=74468950&te=1

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And not for nothing but as a tribute can't we leave the image way too large?
You wouldn't like TM when he's angry.

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And here's an article that supports your position that North Korea is acting rationally. I'm not sure the ultimate goal it seems to think is the one North Korea is seeking to accomplish is a rational one or not, but it's an interesting read.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/29/w...=74468950&te=1

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Huh. Thx. I hadn't seen that.
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My sister's closest friend is a history professor at an Ivy who specializes in insurance. She had this really interesting observation a few days ago:
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Old 07-31-2017, 10:18 PM   #1377
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Fine, but cN we stop calling publicly funded healthcare "insurance?" Covering pre-existing conditions does not insure against risk acciddnt. "Insuring" against known losses is illegal and a moral hazard. Call it what it is.
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Fine, but cN we stop calling publicly funded healthcare "insurance?" Covering pre-existing conditions does not insure against risk acciddnt. "Insuring" against known losses is illegal and a moral hazard. Call it what it is.
Huh?

I have a condition. There is cancer in my body. But I have no idea whether those cancer cells will form a tumor and require treatment. It may happen, it may not. My risk is certainly higher than someone who hasn't gone through chemo, but it's still just that, a risk.

You might argue that your annual check-up isn't insurance, but rather coverage of an anticipated annual cost, but I don't get trying to argue that coverage of my pre-existing condition isn't insurance.
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Huh?

I have a condition. There is cancer in my body. But I have no idea whether those cancer cells will form a tumor and require treatment. It may happen, it may not. My risk is certainly higher than someone who hasn't gone through chemo, but it's still just that, a risk.

You might argue that your annual check-up isn't insurance, but rather coverage of an anticipated annual cost, but I don't get trying to argue that coverage of my pre-existing condition isn't insurance.
I'll take it a step closer to Less (I assume). I've had blood tests that show elevated levels of some stuff consistent with some bad things. But further testing showed no sign of any bad things. I have no symptoms, apart from the above, no diagnosis, but I do have a "condition" and have little doubt that if insurance companies could deny me coverage on the theory that some future treatment is tied to this "condition," they would.
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People like insurance because they are risk-averse. Private insurance is about spreading risk, and you can opt out. Ex ante, there isn't redistribution involved, because the bargain is offered to the market in a neutral way. People fear government insurance programs because they justifiably worry that the government will set terms that benefit some more than others, and that they won't have the ability to opt out.
Which is both understandable and sort of silly. Exactly none of us can tell whether we're being ripped off by our insurance company. Even if you tried to read all the relevant disclosure, it's close to impossible to evaluate with a normal person's expertise.

So we rely on government regulators, whose work we also don't understand.

At least with public systems, you can vote the bums out.
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