We are all Slave now.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

You say you had sex with someone, 99.9% of people assume intercourse. You say someone is part of Rape Culture, and 99.9% of people (not on campuses) think you're involved in or somehow associated with a horrible criminal act.

this right here is a post really ripe for a whiff, or maybe it was unintentional?

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Are you straight and unaware of LGBT issues? You're CIS Male (dropped pejoratively).

You're a cis male if your gender identity matches your gender assigned at birth. If someone mentions it in connection with your ignorance, they are offering it as an explanation for why you are ignorant. It's only an insult if you think your gender identity means you don't need to think about the experiences of others.

Here is your group.

Rape culture is not a group. It's a phenomenon.

Rape Culture is an attempt...to lump a ton of things under a single descriptive.

Yes, just like "male bonding culture" except rape culture is a concept that's actually been pretty well described. You just haven't read about it.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Well, then you just need to adjust and understand what people seem to mean- like I don't like the term "White privilege." See for me "privileged" were the kids from Grosse Pointe, and i was the not-privileged in comparison- I don't like the word choice- but it was chosen so I'm stuck with it. I can process what it means and consider thoughts tied to it, I mean i understand the concept.

Similarly "rape culture" means attitudes and behavior that lead to men behaving badly generally, and sometimes raping, yes, but it is more than that. might "boorish men behaviour culture" been more broadly accurate? Maybe. But no one here coined the phrase. "Only God works from whole cloth, man must work with what came before."

They're free to use their terms, and I'm free to be a crotchety old traditionalist, looking down my nose at them.

Fuck 'em. I also don't like ending sentences with prepositions.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

You say you had sex with someone, 99.9% of people assume intercourse. You say someone is part of Rape Culture, and 99.9% of people (not on campuses) think you're involved in or somehow associated with a horrible criminal act.

I don't know that I've ever heard anyone say an person is part of rape culture, versus that person's behavior, attitude or argument.

I mean, I'm sure it happens but it's not really what the concept is about.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

Again, you say this because you ignore the things they have said.

I've not been watching. Kindly cite me the quotes where they advocate for more rape and light treatment of rape.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

I don't know that I've ever heard anyone say an person is part of rape culture, versus that person's behavior, attitude or argument.

I mean, I'm sure it happens but it's not really what the concept is about.

Oh, I see. When someone says somebody is complicit in rape culture, he only means the person's behavior, but not the person, is culpable.

I didn't rob the bank, Judge. That was just my actions. Jail them.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

You're a cis male if your gender identity matches your gender assigned at birth. If someone mentions it in connection with your ignorance, they are offering it as an explanation for why you are ignorant. It's only an insult if you think your gender identity means you don't need to think about the experiences of others.

I don't. And they don't have to think about mine.

When did empathy become the most important of human virtues?

Our only duty to each other is tolerance. The idea we all have to learn about others' experiences and empathize with them all is silliness. The only thing we must do is leave each other to live as we feel like living. In other words, leave your trans neighbor to live as the person likes, and don't try to inflict your views on this person. And vice versa. If you want to empathize, great. But it's not an obligation.

Rape culture is not a group. It's a phenomenon.

A culture is comprised of people. Rape Denial is a phenomenon.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Oh, I see. When someone says somebody is complicit in rape culture, he only means the person's behavior, but not the person, is culpable.

Yes, dude, and this isn't the first time you've failed to see that these things are more than personal insults.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I don't. And they don't have to think about mine.

You do if you don't want to be an asshole. Obviously, this is not an issue for you.

When did empathy become the most important of human virtues?

Whenever humans first evolved to live in societal groups instead of individually.

The only thing we must do is leave each other to live as we feel like living.

You, as a cis white male, cannot do this without reckoning with how the inherent advantages you enjoy do not apply to others and, in fact, your identity prevents others from living how they feel like living.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I've not been watching. Kindly cite me the quotes where they advocate for more rape and light treatment of rape.

I don't see much sign that you've read the ones previously provided, so, yeah, go educate yourself.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

You, as a cis white male, cannot do this without reckoning with how the inherent advantages you enjoy do not apply to others and, in fact, your identity prevents others from living how they feel like living.

I rescind calling you unserious. You're card carrying nuts.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

Yes, dude, and this isn't the first time you've failed to see that these things are more than personal insults.

You've convinced me. I'm going to go rob that bank.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I rescind calling you unserious. You're card carrying nuts.

Your head is in the sand and you like it that way.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

Your head is in the sand and you like it that way.

You're looney tunes, dude. Totally fucking looney tunes. My existence is the cause of others' disadvantages? Look, I get the concept, but that statement? That's exactly the kind of thing that can only said on a campus. You can't say shit like that in reality, in a room filled with rational, pragmatic people. People would whisper under their breath, "Who's your crazy friend?"

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

You've convinced me. I'm going to go rob that bank.

What's important to you about words like "white privilege" "cis male" and "rape culture" is how they make you feel. Or how they make people to whom they apply feel. That's seriously fucked up.

Oh, right, you've no obligation to think about how they affect people to whom they don't apply (or apply differently), because that would be empathy, which is a thing that only crazy people do.

Strangely, you can grasp the criminal justice system generating unfair outcomes, but you also bristle at "racism" involving anything other than outright, expressed animus. Why do you have empathy for the unjustly imprisoned, but not for the unjustly withheld from opportunity? Is it first hand experience with the system, thus giving you a proximity you don't have on other issues. Or is it just the obvious involvement of the state (which is harder to see in other contexts)?