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Old 04-20-2017, 06:05 PM   #4816
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One of the best ever (self-reported) quotes came from one of those dinners:

"I've changed music four or five times. What have you done of any importance other than be white?"
By who?
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Old 04-20-2017, 06:07 PM   #4817
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Old 04-20-2017, 08:20 PM   #4819
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he changed Jazz. Anything else?
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Old 04-21-2017, 09:47 AM   #4820
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he changed Jazz. Anything else?
Yeah, kinda like Faulkner changed American literature. BFD.

Sarah Palin changed politics, too, didn't she?
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Old 04-21-2017, 10:30 AM   #4821
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Yeah, kinda like Faulkner changed American literature. BFD.

Sarah Palin changed politics, too, didn't she?
And William Faulkner wasn't even the best writer in his own family. John was way better..
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Old 04-24-2017, 10:54 AM   #4822
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It is not that we are being required to contract with a particular party, but rather that we are asked to get a contract with some party.
Distinction w/o difference for purposes of this discussion.

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So if you ride a motorcycle, you are required to buy a helmet; where you get it is between you and the market as long as it meets safety requirements.
I don't favor helmet laws. If you want to risk your life riding without a helmet, take that risk. A few thousand people with terrible judgment leaving the game early = Benefit to social security fund, and organ donations for those in need. See also (YMMV, but instructive on the broader point): https://web.archive.org/web/20011105...czechstudy.pdf

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Likewise, if you have a business with a smokestack, you're going to be required to buy various filters and burners for the stack that get the emissions down to an acceptable level. Where you get them is up to you, as long as you meet standards.
Or you can determine the costs don't justify continuing that business. I guess there's an analogue for getting around the health insurance mandate, but as late 20th century philosopher John Cougar (pre-Mellancamp) noted, "dyin' to me don't sound like all that much fun."

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I understand the point. But do you think your point is a constitutional one, or just a political preference by you?
It can't be constitutional at the moment, as Roberts already ruled the ACA mandate falls within the power to tax, right? So then I'm stuck with preference until someone properly challenges it.

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And is it an absolute or a balancing act (e.g., it's ok to require motorcycle helmets but not health insurance).
I'd say we don't reach that question yet. The threshold issue is, can one opt-out? In all other current instances where the state compels one to buy something, the person subject to the regulation is choosing to do something. If they don't like the regulation, they can refrain from doing what it covers. There is no opt-out re health insurance.
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There is no opt-out re health insurance.
Sure there is. I've heard Somalia has not such tyranny.

You can probably put up your scrubber-free smokestack there too, and definitely motorcycle without a helmet.
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Old 04-25-2017, 06:21 AM   #4824
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Remember when I thought I had found the most disturbing YouTube video ever with the weird guy singing his song about Trump? This one is much, much worse.

Spree: Bill Nye Saves the World. I am pretty sure most of this is not science, except for the part about vaginas not having vocal chords.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wllc5gSc-N8
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Old 04-25-2017, 01:19 PM   #4825
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Remember when I thought I had found the most disturbing YouTube video ever with the weird guy singing his song about Trump? This one is much, much worse.

Spree: Bill Nye Saves the World. I am pretty sure most of this is not science, except for the part about vaginas not having vocal chords.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wllc5gSc-N8
That is about the worst "music" I have ever heard. Bi-sexuality deserved better.

Also, just so I understand these things, teeth but no vocal chords, right?
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That is about the worst "music" I have ever heard.
Speaking of music (and in plf's absence), isn't it lovely the tune Spicer and Chaffetz are playing right now? One says they can't possibly produce anything other than the form Flynn lied on because they took office on Jan. 20--like there were different people making decisions on campaign and transition issues like vetting. The other says it's Obama's fault Flynn--national security adviser to fucking Trump--wasn't properly vetted.

These motherfuckers have absolutely no shame about anything.

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Old 04-26-2017, 10:49 AM   #4827
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Speaking of music (and in plf's absence), isn't it lovely the tune Spicer and Chaffetz are playing right now? One says they can't possibly produce anything other than the form Flynn lied on because they took office on Jan. 20--like there were different people making decisions on campaign and transition issues like vetting. The other says it's Obama's fault Flynn--national security adviser to fucking Trump--wasn't properly vetted.

These motherfuckers have absolutely no shame about anything.

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Well, it is going to make it harder for them to argue executive privilege or that they're being sued in an official capacity and should have the government pay their legal bills during the next round of litigation. Courts still listen to reason.

Of course, maybe that's why they raised tens of millions in inaugural funds they aren't accounting for.

These people are crooks. (And the next person who tries to call Hillary a crook gets punched like a Nazi.) Assholes.
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Well, it is going to make it harder for them to argue executive privilege or that they're being sued in an official capacity and should have the government pay their legal bills during the next round of litigation. Courts still listen to reason.

Of course, maybe that's why they raised tens of millions in inaugural funds they aren't accounting for.

These people are crooks. (And the next person who tries to call Hillary a crook gets punched like a Nazi.) Assholes.
But Hillary gave paid speeches to banks! And now Obama's getting paid to speak to Wall Street! Corruption!
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But Hillary gave paid speeches to banks! And now Obama's getting paid to speak to Wall Street! Corruption!
They didn't need the money, and they undercut their cause by taking it. It is a very mild form of corruption.
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They didn't need the money, and they undercut their cause by taking it. It is a very mild form of corruption.
Oh Bullshit.

If this is corruption, everything anyone does for money before, after or during being President is corruption. What are your rules for what a past president or a presidential hopeful is supposed to do? What would you say would not be "corruption". Here are some specific questions:

1. Should they take speaking fees?
2. Should they take fees for media appearances (e.g., Fox, CNN, MSNBC)?
3. Should they take professional (legal, accounting) fees?
4. Should they take other consulting fees?
5. Should they take royalties?
6. Should they take rent payments?
7. Should they sell real estate?
8. Should they own stock?
9. Should they own media interests?
10. Should they own a peanut farm and sell peanuts?
11. Should they take fees for entertainment (acting, porn, prostitution)?

Is it only democrats who can't do anything but serve in public office? Or can Republicans do all of the above but not democrats because their base doesn't care?
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