We are all Slave now.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

She's a woman.

It's a lot more than that. I hear some of the most virulent hate for Pelosi come from other women.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Lots of love given for michigan proposal 2- The Michigan thing might make it better, but ultimately it only changes who is Gerrymandering. The commission is made up of 3D/3R and I think someone else picked how???. To me they should do it by geometry. Find the population center of a state. Define a square around that center of a size sufficient to cover the correct amount of people THEN build more squares from that. That the current Gerrymandering has been R driven doesn't mean the Ds are above it. Politicians do it to protect themselves. Math wouldn't care.

This, but the way to do it is to let anyone submit a districting map, and to pick the map that (a) results in district with no more than x variation in population, and (b) has the shortest aggregate boundaries. Repeat every ten years.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Adder

She's a woman.

Republicans spend a lot of time vilifying her for political reasons.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

It's a lot more than that. I hear some of the most virulent hate for Pelosi come from other women.

Uh, seriously? Do you also think people of color can't be racist?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Hard to square that notion with the Robbers Cave experiment.

At long last, you have now convinced me I am mentally ill.

I have never wanted to be a part of any group. As soon as I am in a group, I begin to internally critique its methods and aims and desire to either improve it (which is almost never a realizable option), subvert it (almost the point of sabotage), or just check out.

It's a reflexive recoiling. But the more I read on group dynamics and our natural tendencies toward ant-like behavior, the more I realize, I'm not correctly wired for the hive.

Thank you. You've just saved me a lot of cost of therapists.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

It's a lot more than that. I hear some of the most virulent hate for Pelosi come from other women.

No, it's pretty much the misogyny. I've asked more than one person who speaks ill of her why, and the most common answer is to look at me like I have two heads and say "she's a bitch".

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

No, it's pretty much the misogyny. I've asked more than one person who speaks ill of her why, and the most common answer is to look at me like I have two heads and say "she's a bitch".

She's very skilled as a Speaker (never lost a vote) but a terrible messenger. "Let's hear it for preexisting conditions!" -- really?

I realize this is not responsive to whether or not she's hated because she's a woman. I just think it's time for a new speaker with charisma and who knows how to better message to the public.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

It's a lot more than that. I hear some of the most virulent hate for Pelosi come from other women.

Women are not immune to misogyny.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick

She's very skilled as a Speaker (never lost a vote) but a terrible messenger. "Let's hear it for preexisting conditions!" -- really?

I realize this is not responsive to whether or not she's hated because she's a woman. I just think it's time for a new speaker with charisma and who knows how to better message to the public.

I can accept a speaker who is effective at being a speaker but who does not have charisma and does not message well to the public. Other people should do those things. The Republicans are always going to find someone to vilify. If not Pelosi, then Soros, etc. I'm not convinced that anyone who hates Pelosi is otherwise inclined to vote for Democrats -- the causation runs the other way.

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

At long last, you have now convinced me I am mentally ill.

I have never wanted to be a part of any group. As soon as I am in a group, I begin to internally critique its methods and aims and desire to either improve it (which is almost never a realizable option), subvert it (almost the point of sabotage), or just check out.

It's a reflexive recoiling. But the more I read on group dynamics and our natural tendencies toward ant-like behavior, the more I realize, I'm not correctly wired for the hive.

Thank you. You've just saved me a lot of cost of therapists.

It is all genetic programming. We are genetically programmed to form tribes for safety -- which winds up creating hate for the other tribes. Why Boston fans hate Yankee fans.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick

She's very skilled as a Speaker (never lost a vote) but a terrible messenger. "Let's hear it for preexisting conditions!" -- really?

I realize this is not responsive to whether or not she's hated because she's a woman. I just think it's time for a new speaker with charisma and who knows how to better message to the public.

Agreed on both counts, great Speaker, not great communicator.

For me the question on speaker is who do you have in mind? Every candidate has pros and cons, and I don't see anyone running against her who would be any better. I do see some pretty junior Congressionals who I think will be ready before too long.

On the other hand, I can think of about a dozen Senators I think would do better than Schumer, most of them ambitious enough and seasoned enough to run if they saw an opening.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

It is all genetic programming. We are genetically programmed to form tribes for safety -- which winds up creating hate for the other tribes. Why Boston fans hate Yankee fans.

Well, that and the fact that the Yankees Suck (objectively speaking).

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Sessions out.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

It is all genetic programming. We are genetically programmed to form tribes for safety -- which winds up creating hate for the other tribes. Why Boston fans hate Yankee fans.

Actually, they hate us because of our championships.

TM

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Agreed on both counts, great Speaker, not great communicator.

For me the question on speaker is who do you have in mind? Every candidate has pros and cons, and I don't see anyone running against her who would be any better. I do see some pretty junior Congressionals who I think will be ready before too long.

This guy:



TM