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[Not Bob]

So, (1) because I want to entertain my imaginary little sister (hi ncs!) on the Fashion Board, and (2) I'm tired of seeing Sebby rationalize his Not Vote for HRC on the Politics Board, I decided to escape the world and to make some noise here.

I'll start with another in the series of Not Bob's Potentially Unpopular Opinions (a series that is, counter-intuitively, among the most popular offerings on LawTalkers*):

Not Bob recently discovered that he finds 1960s and 1970s** Barbra Streisand attractive. As evidence I give you this:



I hear the snickers. But what can I say? I like what I like.

She looks good in this one from a very funny movie, too, but I mostly posted it because she made me laugh in said movie. We think of her today as a perhaps overly serious actor/writer/director (hello, Prince of Tides?), but it's important to remember is that she made a lot of intentionally funny movies during the Not Bob Thinks She's Hot era.



Apparently JFK agreed with me. "Here's my numbah, Miss Streisand"



And for my people, Saint Jack could do no wrong (I've mentioned the busts and commemorative plates of JFK and RFK that my father and uncles all displayed in living rooms in The Ancestral Homeland, no?)

So, mock away. Tomorrow I will post about various albums (including but not limited to Cheap Trick Live at Budokan, The River, and Some Girls) that influenced me and which helped make me the Not Bob that you all know and occasionally love.

*Take me seriously, Not Literally.

**Pre-disco era 1970s. I mean, look at A Star Is Born -- she lost me there.

[Not Bob]

Also, is anyone watching Westworld? I'm trying to catch up, so no spoilers. Evan Rachel Wood and Jeffery Wright are quite good.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Not Bob

So, (1) because I want to entertain my imaginary little sister (hi ncs!) on the Fashion Board, and (2) I'm tired of seeing Sebby rationalize his Not Vote for HRC on the Politics Board, I decided to escape the world and to make some noise here.

I'll start with another in the series of Not Bob's Potentially Unpopular Opinions (a series that is, counter-intuitively, among the most popular offerings on LawTalkers*):

Not Bob recently discovered that he finds 1960s and 1970s** Barbra Streisand attractive. As evidence I give you this:



I hear the snickers. But what can I say? I like what I like.

She looks good in this one from a very funny movie, too, but I mostly posted it because she made me laugh in said movie. We think of her today as a perhaps overly serious actor/writer/director (hello, Prince of Tides?), but it's important to remember is that she made a lot of intentionally funny movies during the Not Bob Thinks She's Hot era.



Apparently JFK agreed with me. "Here's my numbah, Miss Streisand"



And for my people, Saint Jack could do no wrong (I've mentioned the busts and commemorative plates of JFK and RFK that my father and uncles all displayed in living rooms in The Ancestral Homeland, no?)

So, mock away. Tomorrow I will post about various albums (including but not limited to Cheap Trick Live at Budokan, The River, and Some Girls) that influenced me and which helped make me the Not Bob that you all know and occasionally love.

*Take me seriously, Not Literally.

**Pre-disco era 1970s. I mean, look at A Star Is Born -- she lost me there.

Hi! I do not snicker. It's a good pic. Fast forwarding to your musical tastes, as you know, I find them suspect. But I have no beef with Cheap Trick. They played the rock of their time and they were true to that rock. And Some Girls may not be the album that many Stones fans want to shine a light on, complaining that it is a concession to disco, but there are more gritty rock tunes on that album than in all of Coldplay's catalogue.

[Not Bob]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Hi! I do not snicker. It's a good pic. Fast forwarding to your musical tastes, as you know, I find them suspect. But I have no beef with Cheap Trick. They played the rock of their time and they were true to that rock. And Some Girls may not be the album that many Stones fans want to shine a light on, complaining that it is a concession to disco, but there are more gritty rock tunes on that album than in all of Coldplay's catalogue.

Thanks! By the way, although I still like each of the three albums, there are a few others that I stopped liking. The point is more about the impact of the music on me at a particular time.

ETA: So, let's get on with it! Posted in no particular order ....

[Not Bob]

Cheap Trick Live at Budokan



Maybe it was just me or maybe it was just Podunkville, but Cheap Trick came out of nowhere and captured an entire generation with this album. I mean, it goes from a point where literally* no one is talking about them, hearing them on the radio, or saying that they are their favorite band ("other than Zeppelin" being unnecessarily unspoken, of course) until one magical day that 97 Rock starts blasting "Surrender" on near constant rotation and everyone is wearing this t-shirt to school:



And by everyone, I mean everyone from Rick the legendary and mysterious pot dealer who should have been in 12th grade instead of 8th, to my friend Monica,** the cute daughter of the math teacher for the smart kids.

What did Not Bob learn from this? That popular rock music could be fun and could cross lines of taste and generations (my older sibling and cousins also liked the album - Not Nick had it on 8-track for his car and my cousin Robby used his cassette deck to record my copy of album). And that, like many good things in life, the phenomenon ended quickly. Within a year or so, the t-shirts disappeared and "Surrender" was only occasionally heard on the radio. And although many of us liked "The Dream Police," it just wasn't the same.

Sic transit gloria mundi.

*Yes, I really do mean "literally" and not "figuratively." Obviously. Sheesh.

**Monica, I am very sorry that I used to call you "Mono." I thought it was funny, but it really wasn't, was it? You were very cute and we were friends, but I wanted to be clever and it made the idiots in class laugh, so ...

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Not Bob

Cheap Trick stuff

When I was a young pup, I used to delight in the category of "Bands that I should be ashamed of listening to but I'm not" (see, e.g., Iron Butterfly). Now that I am older, however, I delight in "Great Musicians I Know that You Idiot Youngsters Should Have Heard of", apropos of which, I note that Mose Allison is dead.

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally Posted by Not Bob

boring shit

Not Bob, I like your game (even though Cheap Trick is boring) and I much prefer FB Sebby to PB Sebby so I'll hang out here with you while I sit on this call. Since we are talking about music, I'm going to rank my favorite Leonard Cohen songs from most favorite to least favorite and you may have an opinion on that. (Also I saw Ani DiFranco walking to a protest the other day with a big sign and I gave her a thumbs up.)

A Thousand Kisses Deep
Waiting for a Miracle
Everybody knows
Chelsea Hotel #2
Closing Time
Dance me to the end of love
Anthem
I'm your man
Suzanne
Hey that's no way to say goodbye
Take this waltz
The future
First we take Manhattan
Hallelujah
Democracy
In my secret life
A street
Avalanche
You want it darker
The Partisan
Paper thin hotel

Still having a hard time knowing he's dead. When we saw him a few years ago, he was so spry and did six encores after a 3.5 hour show.

[Not Bob]

Some Girls



Flower already mentioned the usual criticism of "Some Girls" - it's disco, it's fluff, it's an insult to the Stones of "Let it Bleed" and "Exile on Main Street," etc.

Fuck the critics. This is my favorite Stones album. And it is the album that led me to like the Stones as a band instead of as a historical relic.

Maybe it's because it came out when I was musically aware? Probably some truth to that, I'll admit. But we are unavoidably creatures of our time. And although I think that many of the songs on this album are timeless, "Some Girls" is unquestionably a product of a very specific time and place -- late 1970s New York City.

Jagger is generally credited (or blamed) for the album. Yes, it is disco influenced - so what? It's also punk influenced and soul influenced. Deal with it. And Mick's lyrics (I assume most of them are Mick's, since Keith was too busy getting arrested for heroin) celebrate and embrace the chaos of a city where people wore plastic trash bags while the president's mother danced at Studio 54.

Not Bob had never been to NYC before (one trip to Shea Stadium while visiting an aunt in Levittown doesn't count), but this album made it come alive. And the idea that rock royalty could write in a Not Pretentious way (hello again, Zeppelin) was new to me. "Some Girls" was also my first experience with the hateful phenomenon of "I liked [insert band name] before [latest song/album] came out."

So, what did Not Bob learn from "Some Girls"? That rock music didn't have to be so fossilized and could move and adapt. That it could speak to a specific time and a place and still be universal and timeless, and that maybe some day a group of my friends are gonna come around at twelve with some Puerto Rican girls that are just dyin' to meet me.

[Not Bob]

Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick

Not Bob, I like your game (even though Cheap Trick is boring) and I much prefer FB Sebby to PB Sebby so I'll hang out here with you while I sit on this call. Since we are talking about music, I'm going to rank my favorite Leonard Cohen songs from most favorite to least favorite and you may have an opinion on that. (Also I saw Ani DiFranco walking to a protest the other day with a big sign and I gave her a thumbs up.)

A Thousand Kisses Deep
Waiting for a Miracle
Everybody knows
Chelsea Hotel #2
Closing Time
Dance me to the end of love
Anthem
I'm your man
Suzanne
Hey that's no way to say goodbye
Take this waltz
The future
First we take Manhattan
Hallelujah
Democracy
In my secret life
A street
Avalanche
You want it darker
The Partisan
Paper thin hotel

Still having a hard time knowing he's dead. When we saw him a few years ago, he was so spry and did six encores after a 3.5 hour show.

Will it help that "Allied Forces" by Triumph is on my list?

I will admit that I don't know all of Leonard Cohen -- I liked him and enjoyed his songs when I heard them, but didn't have any albums. That being said, I will say that "Dance Me to the End of Love" is tied with "I'm Your Man" as my favorites.

Unpopular confession: I like "Hallelujah" and think that the gazillion covers of it made it possible for a lot of people to hear an amazing song that they never would have had they not seen "Shrek."

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally Posted by Not Bob

Will it help that "Allied Forces" by Triumph is on my list?

No, but that's ok. Triumph are good people and gave away a lot of their money -- I even went to one of their concerts once because all of the proceeds were going to an AIDs hospice. The only song I really remember of theirs is Magic Power, and its terrible.

[Not Bob]

Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick

No, but that's ok. Triumph are good people and gave away a lot of their money -- I even went to one of their concerts once because all of the proceeds were going to an AIDs hospice. The only song I really remember of theirs is Magic Power, and its terrible.

Everyone will mainly agree that I am mostly correct when I say that (1) Not Bob's musical taste is middlebrow and white bread, and (2) Triumph is by far and away the best power rock trio from Canada.

Suck it, Rush fans - sure, sure the maples scream oppression, blah blah blah. But Geddy Lee's nasally whine is almost as annoying as listening to a Rush fan wax poetic about Ayn Rand and objectivisim while smoking pot in a dorm room.

*I have a soft spot for "Subdivisions." Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself.** Suck it.

**ETA: That Walt Whitman line might make a good motto for the Politics board. Assuming we aren't all nuked into radioactive ash before we hit 4K.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Not Bob

Some Girls



Flower already mentioned the usual criticism of "Some Girls" - it's disco, it's fluff, it's an insult to the Stones of "Let it Bleed" and "Exile on Main Street," etc.

Fuck the critics. This is my favorite Stones album. And it is the album that led me to like the Stones as a band instead of as a historical relic.

Maybe it's because it came out when I was musically aware? Probably some truth to that, I'll admit. But we are unavoidably creatures of our time. And although I think that many of the songs on this album are timeless, "Some Girls" is unquestionably a product of a very specific time and place -- late 1970s New York City.

Jagger is generally credited (or blamed) for the album. Yes, it is disco influenced - so what? It's also punk influenced and soul influenced. Deal with it. And Mick's lyrics (I assume most of them are Mick's, since Keith was too busy getting arrested for heroin) celebrate and embrace the chaos of a city where people wore plastic trash bags while the president's mother danced at Studio 54.

Not Bob had never been to NYC before (one trip to Shea Stadium while visiting an aunt in Levittown doesn't count), but this album made it come alive. And the idea that rock royalty could write in a Not Pretentious way (hello again, Zeppelin) was new to me. "Some Girls" was also my first experience with the hateful phenomenon of "I liked [insert band name] before [latest song/album] came out."

So, what did Not Bob learn from "Some Girls"? That rock music didn't have to be so fossilized and could move and adapt. That it could speak to a specific time and a place and still be universal and timeless, and that maybe some day a group of my friends are gonna come around at twelve with some Puerto Rican girls that are just dyin' to meet me.

So sleazy, you could smell the foul steam billowing out of the middle of the street, mixing with the odor of burnt chestnut shells and the lingering stench of casually discarded dreams. "I just don't have that much jam!" Plus, the cover!

The album cover for Some Girls was conceived and designed by Peter Corriston, who would design the next three album covers. [2] with Illustrations by Hubert Kretzschmar[7] An elaborate die-cut design, with the colours on the sleeves varying in different markets, it featured the Rolling Stones' faces alongside those of select female celebrities inserted into a copy of an old Valmor Products Corporation advertisement. The cover design was challenged legally when Lucille Ball, Farrah Fawcett, Liza Minnelli (representing her mother Judy Garland), Raquel Welch, and the estate of Marilyn Monroe threatened to sue for the use of their likenesses without permission.[2] Similarly, Valmor did take legal action and were given a monetary award for the use of their design.[8]

The album was quickly re-issued with a redesigned cover that removed all the celebrities, whether they had complained or not. The celebrity images were replaced with black and punk style garish colours with the phrase Pardon our appearance - cover under re-construction. Jagger later apologised to Minnelli when he encountered her during a party at the famous discothèque Studio 54. The only celebrity whose face was not removed was ex-Beatle George Harrison. As with the original design, the colour schemes on the redesigned sleeves varied in different markets.

A third version of the album cover with hand-drawn women was found on the 1986 CD reissue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Some_Girls

Ha:

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[Not Bob]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

So sleazy, you could smell the foul steam billowing out of the middle of the street, mixing with the odor of burnt chestnut shells and the lingering stench of casually discarded dreams. "I just don't have that much jam!" Plus, the cover!

The album cover for Some Girls was conceived and designed by Peter Corriston, who would design the next three album covers. [2] with Illustrations by Hubert Kretzschmar[7] An elaborate die-cut design, with the colours on the sleeves varying in different markets, it featured the Rolling Stones' faces alongside those of select female celebrities inserted into a copy of an old Valmor Products Corporation advertisement. The cover design was challenged legally when Lucille Ball, Farrah Fawcett, Liza Minnelli (representing her mother Judy Garland), Raquel Welch, and the estate of Marilyn Monroe threatened to sue for the use of their likenesses without permission.[2] Similarly, Valmor did take legal action and were given a monetary award for the use of their design.[8]

The album was quickly re-issued with a redesigned cover that removed all the celebrities, whether they had complained or not. The celebrity images were replaced with black and punk style garish colours with the phrase Pardon our appearance - cover under re-construction. Jagger later apologised to Minnelli when he encountered her during a party at the famous discothèque Studio 54. The only celebrity whose face was not removed was ex-Beatle George Harrison. As with the original design, the colour schemes on the redesigned sleeves varied in different markets.

A third version of the album cover with hand-drawn women was found on the 1986 CD reissue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Some_Girls

Ha:

The original cover is very cool because as you slide it open, you can see what Farrah looks like in the boy cut, for example.

The most 1970s part of the story of the controversial cover is how Mick apologized to Liza when they bumped into each other at Studio 54. No word on whether they each did a line of blow off of the naked torso of an androgynous 17 year old club kid from Middle Village to seal their agreement.