Implanting Bill Gates's Micro-chips In Brains For Over 20 Years!

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I live a quarter mile from Detroit's Zoo. Our skys look like what it must have been like above the Ark.

The last time I was at the Detroit Zoo a lion escaped.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

Sounds like you just gave up and said fuck it and expect everyone else to. I know more people out with Covid now than ever before. And sick too.

I think a very significant majority gave up months and months ago. I have meetings and dinners with immunosuppressed friends and clients. I’ll usually ask in advance if they desire distancing, masks, etc. They're the ones hugging people the most!

God only knows how many times the damn thing has cycled thru me at this point. I’m not obsessing over it. I’ll continue to be respectful. You want me masked? Fine. Happy to do so upon request. But in a world where no one is wearing masks, and therefore my wearing one won’t make a difference, unless requested, I’ll just go with the flow.

WTF else am I supposed to do? Engage in a futile gesture?

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Our office has been completely ravaged with COVID in the last few weeks. The mask mandate internally was cancelled just before the spike hit, and people were told to be in the office at least three days a week, because my partners thought a return to normalcy would improve productivity.

It didn't play out that way, with over a third of the office being out for at least a week or two. There are now tumbleweeds blowing through the hallways and finding people to get stuff done is almost impossible.

Oops.

Just wait until 2/3 quit. And the other 1/3 come in with Covid unmasked.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

AM or PM? I get the crows at 4 AM, then the blue jays, who sometimes come later. Our regular cardinal does the 4 Am too but they’re not so loud.

PM.

We have a pair of doves that sit together on a branch right over the chairs on the patio. Occasionally they'll screw. There is shit all over that part of the patio.

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

PM.

We have a pair of doves that sit together on a branch right over the chairs on the patio. Occasionally they'll screw. There is shit all over that part of the patio.

They are messy. I have about 6 or 7 that sit under the bird feeder (they don't have the ability to sit at it) and eat fallen scraps. When I open the door, they scatter, and sometimes fly into the window but they are close enough that they don't hurt themselves. But I am always hosing the porch 2-3 times a day.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

You are wordier than I, but of course it is a classic example of security v. liberty, with the cost-benefit-analysis that goes with that, with Adder being a totalitarian whom Pol Pot would have been glad to call friend. He is wrong; it is not decent.

LessinLeeds

Whatever. Had we locked down like China in the beginning, many lives would have been saved and it wouldn't have needed to be all that long.

But we might have then had subpar vaccine development/uptake, like China, so maybe we wouldn't have been better off on net.

I don't know if anyone got the balance right (Korea? Vietnam?), but I'm quite sure we didn't try hard enough.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Is Adder actually defending the Chinese approach, or is the board unanimously against it?

As I said before, not defending every single thing China has done, just saying that they took it seriously early in ways that were successful (see also Australia, New Zealand) while it was spreading uncontrolled around most of the rest of the world.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

If I had to guess, I'd say 5% of people I see are wearing masks.

Yeah, and it used to be more. But "mandates don't work."

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I think a very significant majority gave up months and months ago. I have meetings and dinners with immunosuppressed friends and clients. I’ll usually ask in advance if they desire distancing, masks, etc. They're the ones hugging people the most!

God only knows how many times the damn thing has cycled thru me at this point. I’m not obsessing over it. I’ll continue to be respectful. You want me masked? Fine. Happy to do so upon request. But in a world where no one is wearing masks, and therefore my wearing one won’t make a difference, unless requested, I’ll just go with the flow.

WTF else am I supposed to do? Engage in a futile gesture?

Your wearing one when you're sharing air with strangers whose health/vaccination status you don't know isn't futile, it gives some measure of protection to those friends who are trusting you not to get them sick. (Non-sarcastic) props for being respectful, though.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

As I said before, not defending every single thing China has done, just saying that they took it seriously early in ways that were successful (see also Australia, New Zealand) while it was spreading uncontrolled around most of the rest of the world.

How was it successful when people in Shanghai can’t leave their apartments, then they can for a week, then they can’t for a month?

I believe Australia is still off limits for foreign tourists. And they have a strong tourist economy. Successful?

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

How was it successful when people in Shanghai can’t leave their apartments, then they can for a week, then they can’t for a month?

Tens or hundreds of millions of people didn't die because China stopped community transmission while it was rampant around the world. None of that is about Shanghai, although Shanghai might not have happened had the rest of the world not completely failed (or had China developed a more effective vaccine or more successfully deployed it).

Weird, though, that China criticism is about lockdowns and not failure to vaccinate everyone.

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Adder

l (see also Australia, New Zealand) while it was spreading uncontrolled around most of the rest of the world.

They reopened and their case rate is 6x ours per capita. Deaths are low still. All about the vax.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

Tens or hundreds of millions of people didn't die because China stopped community transmission while it was rampant around the world. None of that is about Shanghai, although Shanghai might not have happened had the rest of the world not completely failed (or had China developed a more effective vaccine or more successfully deployed it).

Weird, though, that China criticism is about lockdowns and not failure to vaccinate everyone.

China failed to vaccinate everyone? Detroit’s rate is still around 40%.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

And the virus is weakening as it mutates. (Could that change? Sure. But the likelihood of that is lottery odds.)

BTW, you said this the other day, and it's wrong. For example, one of the Omicron variants hitting people now goes after the lungs much more than original Omicron did.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

Just wait until 2/3 quit. And the other 1/3 come in with Covid unmasked.

One of my partners has now been hospitalized with it for three weeks. Not clear he'll make it.