Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 520751)

This is why this board is fun! Forget the main point (that one "forgives" only those of one's same beliefs/party), and focus on a reply to reply to reply to reply! Good work. But you keep proving my point- there are Rs (or libertarians?) who believe AA actually harms black people- (I don't so snarky replies will go w/o response)- to you that means a R who believes AA is bad can't prove "good since my blackface days." It is circular- the only way to repair is to lead a life following what I believe is the right way- since the other party doesn't, they haven't led the life that repairs- none of them have. just own it for goodness sake.

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 520754)

I recall Clarence Thomas arguing that it harms him by raising doubt that he earned his achievements rather than had them handed to him.

This seems preferable to being systematically denied opportunities, but I believe her argued it in his (one of his?) books, which I most definitely did not read.

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 520790)

There is no reason to own this because what you're saying is stupid. Just because someone believes destroying affirmative action (which is remedial in nature, btw) is a good thing doesn't actually make it a good thing. If you're out here talking about how all policy should be colorblind when every institution is decidedly not colorblind, you may believe that (although I think almost everyone who argues that bullshit is full of shit), but you are wrong. So, if you have a racist past and your policies harm people of color, you're damn right, you can fuck off.

Just stop it.

TM

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 520774)

Awkward thought that these boards are sorta for: I’ve always thought Jessica Williams, who is smart and super funny, was quite attractive and never thought of her as having a lighter complexion (was gonna say “light skinned” but that seemed weird from me even though you hear it that way). Then Lupita was on 2 Dope Queens and made me question everything.

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 520774)

Anywho, Lupita is absolutely stunning and has completely stunning skin (yeah, that last bit is likely a bit racist).

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 520782)

THEN asking what is the standard? Must one satisfy one is actually okay given all views of the insulted class, or is there some objective average? Like with Frakken- many voices said give him a pass, others said he needs to go- if there are voices to fry the guy and others saying let him stand, do we find a mean?

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 520784)

stp- basically people with a political stance define what is good from the standpoint of that political stance. I'm not throwing dirt at Dems, I'm just suggesting everyone be honest that whether an official has "value" that might merit saving comes from one's political stance.

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 520792)

Fair enough (your dismissal of such people, not the attacks) but what you are saying is that people who do not agree with you on the issue (and again I agree with you on AA) are essentially bad. I do not disagree they are bad, but that is a judgement based upon my belief.

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 520794)

What is the standard for anything problematic? Just because there are issues that people view as "not their issue" does not mean that those who are the subject of the harm have to define the standard for you. As I said, black people are not a monolithic block. Neither are women. People within those groups disagree on how best to proceed. Don't use that fact as an excuse to throw up your hands and say, "Mixed messages! I give up!"

I tend to take a practical tack. Is the person doing positive things? Have they learned their lesson? How bad was the behavior at issue? What happens if they're removed? Isn't this what people do for all issues? When it comes to racism, sexism, homophobia, I can understand why it's harder for people to approach it that way because it's something that's very personal and hurtful. But if you're looking for a bright line rule, you're just not going to get it. You have to do the hard work like everyone else.

TM

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 520797)

I don't have a problem reaching my own opinion. I was wondering what others do, and really, what should the disgraced actor/politician do with mixed voices.

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 520754)

I recall Clarence Thomas arguing that it harms him by raising doubt that he earned his achievements rather than had them handed to him.

This seems preferable to being systematically denied opportunities, but I believe her argued it in his (one of his?) books, which I most definitely did not read.

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 520780)

I'll have to disagree with you on this one. Credible allegations for which he asked for a full investigation. Gillibrand lead the charge to remove him before he was allowed an investigation. And the one allegation based on that photo was not something he deserved to lose his job over. Censure him or punish him in some other way. But there is no denying that there was a rush to judgment. And Gillibrand was grandstanding.

Originally Posted by ferrets_bueller (Post 520781)

Very few are smart enough to walk away when they “ring the bell.”

After much deliberation, I have determined that I am in a position that my financial future, and that of my family unto my grandchildren's generation, is secure. Having worked at the same outfit for 44 years, I have decided not to make a career of it. The signature cases I have on my docket are in the "pig has moved through most of the python" stage. My successor is more than ready, she has been ready for a decade. Time to step down before the Board taps me on the shoulder, pins a note to my sweater, and leaves me at a dog track. It is time. I'm going out on a very good note.



At age 72 and a low fraction, I will ring the bell on March 29, thus making April Fools Day my first day of retirement. Bueller LLC will open for business the next day.



Mostly, I'll be found at beaches between North Carolina, Bermuda, Aruba, Costa Rica, and, when the narco problem clears up again, Barra Beach in Rio. Buy futures in SPF 90 sunscreen. I'll be using it by the quart as I fish for breakfast at sunrise, reapplying until the cocktail hour at sunset.



I also expect to be busy enough, but not too busy. I will be working for the World Bank and the Financial Services Volunteer Corps once or twice a year to see a few of the more remote emerging economies I have yet to visit. Get ticket, review facts on the ground, write report, repeat.



I wish all of you the same level of happiness in your careers that I've been fortunate enough to have. Peace.

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 520767)

Wait until you get old. We'll see how fucking unangry you are.

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 520802)

I can't wait. Going to back out of my driveway without looking. EVERY. TIME.