Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 477834)

I give up. For real this time.

TM

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 477835)

I don't believe you. I don't even think you believe you. But good luck anyway.

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 477832)

Be careful here. The term date rape is often used as an excuse to minimize premeditated violent criminal acts because they happen between two people who know each other. Do we play down a knifing because it occurred between two people who knew each other? Oh, that was a date knifing, no big deal.

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 477833)

Are you telling me that there is less power behind rape when someone is raped in the US as opposed to Iran?

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 477835)

I don't believe you. I don't even think you believe you. But good luck anyway.

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 477837)

That's an interesting response. You're assuming that admitting the sexual component of the crime is somehow down playing it. Why?

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 477840)

Indeed, it may be less about sex in many ways.

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 477838)

I'm saying there may be less rape here than in Iran because fewer Americans would view any sexual contact as degrading. Thus someone seeking to degrade may be less likely to use sex to achieve it.

I have no idea if the numbers back that up. Obviously, there are many other factors in play too.



No, I'm highlighting it.



This would be a cogent point (well, would have been the first of the 17 times it was mentioned) if we were having a conversation only about this case. I would have thought most readers would have figured out by now that that isn't the conversation we are having.



I believe that's true for you. I do not believe that's necessarily true, or, more importantly believed by the potential rapist to be true, for those most likely to rape.

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 477842)

Whatever.

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 477839)

I have a theory that if people would just admit thurgreed is right once in a while, all this arguing would end. But unfortunately we live on a board where it's seen as bad to be shown as wrong, so no one can ever agree with him.

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 477844)

Your theory is wrong. In fact, it is silmultaneously the most ridiculous and the feeblest attempt at logical thought that this board has seen in twenty five years.

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 477841)

Like what?

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 477818)

You need to just stop--especially because yesterday you ejaculated that male-on-male rape was somehow not as bad as male-on-female rape based on the fact that men fucking another man in a hole that they both have is somehow less bad.

Does that qualify as a shoot-the-messenger reply?

TM

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 477844)

Your theory is wrong. In fact, it is silmultaneously the most ridiculous and the feeblest attempt at logical thought that this board has seen in twenty five years.

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 477840)

I don't assume a date rape is any less about power or more about sex than any other rape. Indeed, it may be less about sex in many ways.

Nor should one even assume "date rapes" are a meaningful category. What separates them from other rapes? They can be as violent, they can be as sudden, weapons can be used (indeed, I've seen statistics saying weapons are used MORE often when it involves two parties who knew each other), perhaps the only unifying thing about the category is that even fewer rapists get convicted when the parties knew each other beforehand, in part because people make false assumptions about date rape.