Re: Here's how end this thing folks
 

To me, it is mostly point no. 1 iat the end of this article. Insiders benefit at the expense of everyday shareholders, and that incentivizes bad decision making by management. https://seekingalpha.com/article/425...s-vs-dividends

Re: Break it up
 

Give me liberty and death!

P.S. Patrick Henry owned 67 people.

Re: Cuomo today
 

Even worse is this:

Young and middle-aged people, barely sick with COVID-19, are dying from strokes - The Washington Post
https://apple.news/AwGK2t1DBTtCMRtFEuQ9_cA

Re: Cuomo today
 

Did you guys play with Gang of Four? Their guitar player, Andy Gill, was great. Died of “pneumonia” in January.

Re: Cuomo today
 

No but I was a big fan. Very sad.

Re: Cuomo today
 

Yup. Now read the frequency of those cases. The stories themselves admit the instances are exceedingly rare, but you have to read on to catch that — far beyond what the average news consumer would take the time to digest.

The news is doing flips to find the scariest outliers and pimp those anecdotes as if they’re common. They’ve a credulous public, and that shit sells.

WaPo is basically a hysteria rag. I follow it in my feed and read the story you cite. It’s a rare occurrence played up as statistically common.

WaPo is a shithole if of clickbait headlines, and stories they admit are wrong but never remove from the search engines. They’re a dressed up Fox News.

Re: Stop burning the house to smoke out the mouse.
 

“Of all fatal cases in New York state, two-thirds were in patients over 70 years of age; more than 95 percent were over 50 years of age; and about 90 percent of all fatal cases had an underlying illness. Of 6,570 confirmed COVID-19 deaths fully investigated for underlying conditions to date, 6,520, or 99.2 percent, had an underlying illness. If you do not already have an underlying chronic condition, your chances of dying are small, regardless of age. And young adults and children in normal health have almost no risk of any serious illness from COVID-19.”

Refute. (Not with the silly 10X bullshit. I’d prefer to have a sane conversation.)

Re: Cuomo today
 

Love is like anthrax, and that is something that I don’t want to catch.


Prophetic?

Re: Stop burning the house to smoke out the mouse.
 

You answer me first, Sparky.

And 10x is the high end, from one particular Gothamist/WNYC story, so try this, which says it has been 4x the number of normal deaths in New York City.

If people die because they had heart attacks and didn't want to go to the hospital for fear of catching Covid-19, they are still dead. If they had an underlying illness, they are still dead. If they are older, they are still dead.

eta: More problems with the Stanford/Santa Clara study. Maybe I'm just paying more attention than you because I live here?

Re: Stop burning the house to smoke out the mouse.
 

But you can’t adjust the the deaths and the instances of infection 1:1. You’re running them in parallel. Why? On what basis?

I also note, you’re quick to get behind that which supports you, quick to align against that which challenges you. Stanford has been shredded, but anecdata about NYC at a 10x death rate is worth noting?

Burning down the house to smoke out the mouse. It’s a rotten virus, but the more we learn, the more measured our approaches and less extreme our fear should be.

My concern on this, having spoken to friends who’ve had it, is possibly two weeks of malaise. That sucks.

If this kills me, considering the other statistical chances I’ve taken with my life, okay. It’s a perfectly comical and ignominious end.

Re: Stop burning the house to smoke out the mouse.
 

I don't understand what you mean or what you're asking. The virus has already killed .14% of the population of New York City, and the best evidence is that it has infected 21% of that population. That is pretty strong evidence that it kills at least .7% of the people who get it, far higher that the Santa Clara study suggests. And we also know that it is killing more people than that, because of this phenomena of additional deaths over the usual number, though that is hard to measure.

The anecdata is not a study, but suggests that the official death rate is an undercount. The phenomena are pretty well established, if not the magnitude. Do you disagree with that?

Unless learning more means that a lot of people are dying, we don't have a cure or a good way to treat the symptoms, and we need to do what we're doing to avoid mass contagion that will kill a lot more people. Every indication is that a lot of places have avoided what has been happening in New York and Milan by enforcing social distancing. Stopping now is like saying, hey, it's raining, but I'm not getting wet, so I guess I can throw away this umbrella.

I really don't want to go to the Covid ward in the Kaiser hospital in San Jose. If you want to take your chances, why would I try to talk you out of it. But when you call for lifting the social distancing, you are saying that everyone else should accept that risk too -- that because you are happy to be cavalier with your own life, everyone else should be too. If there's anything we should have learned in the last two months, it's that the decisions people make on these issues have enormous costs to everyone else. When you are cavalier with your own life, it affects others around you.

That's hard for a libertarian to accept, so it's better just to find people saying that the risks are really low, and pretend the problem away.

eta: The death toll in NYC is up again today, above 11,800, so that .139% figure from yesterday is now .142%.

Well, this sucks.
 

SFGate

Re: Objectively intelligent.
 

+ global stability uncertainty, but all the markets care about is liquidity. https://www.businessinsider.com/kim-...we-know-2020-4

Re: Well, this sucks.
 

Fake news. They withdrew the article.

https://twitter.com/who/status/1254160937805926405?s=21

“We expect that most people who are infected with #COVID19 will develop an antibody response that will provide some level of protection.”.

TAIWAN #1!!!

Re: Well, this sucks.
 

I'm not so reassured by "most". YMMV.