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global warming, illustrated
 

but Penske and I would have to cancel our baby seal hunts each Feb. right?

Global Cooling
 

Yes. Quotes from the Dems and more quotes

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002


"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

Bill Clinton Feb 1998: "If Saddam rejects peace, and we have to use force, our purpose is clear: We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."

Madeleine Albright, (Clinton Secretary of State) Feb 1998: "We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and the security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."

Sandy Berger, (Clinton National Security Advisor) Feb 1998 : "[Saddam will] use those weapons of mass destruction again as he has ten times since 1983."

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Obviously torture. Some fool is putting honey in their Baklava.

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Because to the extent that we are at war with Islamic fundamentalism, he was not a problem in that regard.

The fact that you can fit him into some made up buzzword (i.e., Islamofacism) does not change that.

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Thanks. There were so many things wrong with her initial comment I fell apart trying to coherently and concisely list them. Your response cut through all my shit and got to my point.

global warming, illustrated
 

Seems likely. Either that or the lack of sea ice will make it really easy for the casual clubber to join in the fun!

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Did the spiced meat patty contain eggplant? If so, that would be very upsetting to Sebby. Anyhow, Middle Eastern "desserts" (or any dessert served by any Jew or Muslim) suck badly so while I started to get hungry at the beginning of this, no more.

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I thought the shuttering of Abu Ghraib had more to do with its Saddam-era history than Ms. England.

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It just wasn't a good photo-op locale - though I think they now store the "Mission Accomplished" banner there.

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Sebby, its sad that you miss the big picture. It's all part of a whole. Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah, Syria, the Sunni/Baathists in Iraq, the Wahhabbis, the Saudi royal family, the Mullahs in Iran, the Islamofacists throughout the region, Al Qaeda, et al. They have a common goal, subjugate and destroy the West, its values and freedoms. First stop Israel, next America (Europe has already capitulated). The varying factions of this coalition of evil might not always get along and it might not be a fully coordinated conspiracy, but the common end allows for cooperation where paths intersect. Saddam and bin Laden probably never broke bread, but in that world the game is not 6 degrees of separation, its more like 2.

That someone as bright as you fails to see the danger is motivqting me to go out and buy another couple of assault weapons for my arsenal......we are opening the door to the enemy and the clock is ticking.....

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Read deeper and you'll see you're being corrected for saying "Islamofascism" (your term, not mine) instead of Islamic fundamentalism.

Anyhow, you said the fact of Hussein's secular rule nullifies the argument that the war is against Islamic fundamentalism. But..if there were already Islamic fundamentalists in Iraq bent on destroying the U.S.*, how would a few more years of Hussein's secular rule have helped? Buying time?

(Unless you buy the idea that there were no fundamentalists in Iraq before the war and the U.S. "created" them).

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Or the idea that the Islamic fundamentalists in Iraq had other fish to fry until we invaded.

One thing that pretty clearly comes out of The Looming Tower is that Islamic fundamentalists really weren't thinking about the U.S. much until bin Laden and Zawahiri came along. They were much more focused on non-fundamentalist regimes closer to them -- usually their own governments.

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Right as to his second question. But Adder also asked who is calling US troops, in general, torturers? ("in general" as opposed to just those who actually tortured US troops). Slave seemed to be directing his comment at someone -- either on this board, or elsewhere, I can't be sure. So, who?

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Cite, please.

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No.

Disagreeing with the government's policy decisions and/or the orders given to "the troops" and/or criticizing the results generated by the demonstrably incompetent policy development and planning structure layered on top of "the troops" is NOT at all a failure to "support the troops."

S_A_M

Diem to the Minh to the Khanh to the Thieu
 

And the backstory is that the Viet Cong guerilla being executed had just been pulled out of the house where he had murdered the family of a close friend/subordinate of that official.

But that all came out much later, and never got much press.

S_A_M

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Are you saying that our troops are not torturers? Or that they are torturers, but that's ok?

If the former, I agree, and I wonder who you (and Slave) are arguing with. But that's the point that you don't want to get into.

If the latter, it seems that what is inhibiting our ability to win hearts and minds is not the NYTimes.

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You mean those guys weren't from I-raq!?!?!? SHIT!!

Geography is hard.

S_A_M

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We should have fed the babaganoush. I've heard that makes people say all kinds of shit.

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The last thing I want to do is jump into the middle of this debate - and there are many "common references" I wouldn't make -- including the one to which you refer.

But how do you reconcile your position with the undeniable, plain fact that some of our government employees are torturing people and/or facilitating torture when they deem it necessary?

And that some small number of our troops -- acting on their own and illegally -- have also tortured people (Afghanis and Iraqis)? And yes -- these incidents do indeed hurt our image and our cause when they become known.

As to the first, I guess we don't discuss it much. It is all mostly secret.

As to the second, we're busy prosecuting those folks when discovered, but we shouldn't discuss it?

S_A_M

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I'm sending my check to her next week.

S_A_M :D

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Yeah, really. Penske's rantings are going to change me from a Hillary-hater to a Hillary-supporter.

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So, what you're saying is that anyone who doesn't stand silent in the face of certain military personnel violating basic standards of human conduct and decency is giving succor to the enemy?

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And if we stand by as some of our troops engage in conduct that is unlawful and immoral, sooner or later will we start to believe that there is no law or freedom? Doesn't that help the enemy more?

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Sad. Despite your demo leanings I always sensed a healthy respect for our military and yet you support this charlatan who has no respect for our men and women in the service and given half a chance will sell out our military to Beijing.

http://www.yoest.org/archives/hillar...ger_duress.PNG

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Don;t blame me for your insanity, that's either the kool-aid talking or you have dined at Chez Ty and been served one too many mylar ziplocs of alcohol fortified grape juice.

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Can we revisit the rule that says I can't ignore a mod?

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For starters:

AI, in a 2005 report that quickly tosses aside the genocide in Darfur, then goes on a lengthy diatribe about how Gitmo "has become the Gulag of our times" I'm sure those who survived the gulag might disagree.

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGPOL100142005

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Here's Durbin, as reported on that mainstream site Al Jareera:

"US Senator Dick Durbin on Wednesday refused to apologise for comments he made on the Senate floor referring to Nazis, Soviet gulags and a "mad regime" like Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge in Cambodia"...

"This administration should apologise to the American people for abandoning the Geneva Conventions and authorising torture techniques that put our troops at risk and make Americans less secure," Durbin had said in a statement on Wednesday evening.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/ar...rchiveId=13014

If reports like that on Al Jazeera don't lend support to the enemy, I sure as hell don't know what does

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The HuffPost and Kos - please, practically every other entry. I'm too busy to waste my time doing the string search.

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This makes sense. Well, up until the links to People Who Behave Worse Than Us.

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And if one bypasses the fact that Abu Ghraib prison was one of Saddam's prisons that would appropriately fall in the "understandable bulldozing" category.

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Where does Durbin say that our troops are torturers?

As for AI, well, it's AI...

Open Promise to the Board
 

I [sincerely] don't want any more Clinton presidents. If Hillary wins, I'm going to leave the country and spend the rest of my life in my ancestral home in Sicily.

Probably making wine, praying to the babyjesus and tending to my armaments. And the sex.

This, I promise to you, my PB family, friends and bete noires. And unlike the lying Dems, eg: Streisand, A. Baldwin, et al., I will not renege on this promise. You have my word as a Mod.

Best Regards,

Penske

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Yeah, I think that Durbin was talking about the CIA interrogators rather than the Marine guards.

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He also said that the adminstration authorized it, not that it actually was happening.

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You forgot to include the Jewish Banking Monopoly, the Illuminati, the Trilateral Commission, and the Freemasons

Insight fights back
 

Insight’s story was not thinly sourced. Our reporter’s sources close to the Clinton opposition research war room confirm the truth of the story. The Clinton camp’s denial has as much credibility as the “I never had sex with that woman” statement.

So WaPo and Howie Kurtz have a point of reference, here is the face of liar lying.....

http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTri...543/denial.jpg

Here's another liar WaPo should be familiar with and should recollect before they cast such a baseless stone......

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/day/da...janetcooke.jpg

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Hussein was killing them as fast as he could.

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That's a really sad post, even for you. And incredibily disrespectful of the thousands of Americans and Israelis who have died at the terroristic hands of the groups I cited.

I am officially embarrassed for you.

Are you drinking?

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Okay, so after identifying six or eight sources that supposedly have called the US troops, generally, torturers.... you have now cited support for.... Well, um, zero.

AI said that the USSC had called for judicial review of prisoners at Gitmo, and none have come up for review. All true. AI then went on with stupid hyperbole about the "gulag."

Stupid? Sure. Calling all US troops "torturers"? Nope. Giving succor to the enemy? Please. Do you think the snipers and roadside bombers are reading that shit?

Durbin, same thing. He does a stupid, over-the-top attach on the Bush Admin. Not an indictment of US solders. Is that giving succor to the enemy? Yeah, right -- I can just picture Moktada's boys cheering Durbin on the streets of Baghdad.


Where's your NYTimes cite?