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Oops. I was sort of maybe trying unsuccesfully to halfways almost come close to chiding the recent post editing. I'll stop now.

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Hi, my name is Bilmore, and I am passive-aggressive.

Would you like to see my posts?

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sorry, double post.

I don't get how he just doesn't get it
 

I always assume that anyone who goes off on gays, is gay and just can't handle it. Otherwise, why would one give a crap what anyone else does?

p(as my sage right-wing grandpa said of his tenants, "so long as they're not hurting each other")j

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The alternative is actively aggressive, and that strikes me as impolite. But, I'm certainly willing to adapt.

Okay, I'm geeked
 

http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.co...final_640.html

Preview of Matrix 2. This preview is better than the one I saw in the theater.

TM

I don't get how he just doesn't get it
 

Why would he? You have a Senator gay bashing and getting expressions of support from Congress and the President. You have people blaming gay people left and right for all sorts of problems from the destruction of marriage, to abuse of children in the priesthood. You have religious leaders and boy scouts insisting gay people are immoral.

Why when the leadership of this country has sanctioned homophobia at the highest levels, are we surprised when people say and actively believe stupid things like this?

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There you go again. Trying to skew the numbers. ;-)

I don't get how he just doesn't get it
 

Maybe, maybe not. I know some tests have been done that showed homophobics were more likely to be aroused by gay porn than those who are not homophobic, but are heterosexual.

But in other cases it is simply ignorance and repeated comments from parents and society as I mentioned in response to TM.

Not everyone who is homophobic is gay and unable to deal with his or her sexuality. Some people really just believe that gay people are awful, immoral, going to hell, destroying society and what have you.

I know it might be hard for some of you to understand that people really feel this way, though I imagine there are problem some people, active posters who haven't said anything or lurkers, who feel just that way.

I don't want to harp on this because lord knows it gets tiresome. But folks, there are some people who just cannot stand gay people. And not much is likely to change their opinions. Some of them keep their mouths shut, others don't. But it isn't that uncommon a view point.

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I'm not surprised. I just don't get it.

TM

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I did not mean to imply that I thought you should be rude.

r(when I said you were passive aggressive, I meant it in the nicest possible way)p

Yes, I know some people just plain believe it. I once had a dear roommate tell me in all sincerity that she was very sad I was going to burn in hell for all eternity for being pro-choice and she would never see me again because she'd be in heaven for loving unborn babies. But I always think people who latch onto something that has nothing to do with them like a pit bull and spend their lives harping on it in red-faced outrage have serious issues that go beyond a simple moral belief.

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The problem, of course, is that in Bilmore's and my era (the 13th century), the term "nice" was meant as an insult (i.e., stupid).

The WSJ had an interesting article today on the evolution of formerly bad terms into everyday usage and, in some instances, compliments.

Yeah, it's generally called "religion".

I don't get how he just doesn't get it
 

I'm sorry but this is just plain stupid. I mean, really stupid. Seriously stupid.

Homophobes may suck, but that doesn't make them gay.

Edited to add that saying that is like saying that everybody that is pro-life secretly wants to have an abortion.

I don't get how he just doesn't get it
 

Jones' remarks kind of open up an interesting issue - whether there are folks who are not really homphobes, but can't handle flamin gay queens or super butch lesbians.

After reading Jones' comments, I'm not so certain he didn't mean to say "Look... I don't mind people being gay, but I don't like having gay men parade their sexuality in front of me". Strangely, I've heard similar comments from gay men themselves. A friend who is bisexual told me he hates queens, gay pride parades and flamboyant gay men. In his estimation, their behavior is childish and in poor taste. Another gay dude told me he had a hard time scoring because he hated gay bars and preferred to hang out with regular guys, which left him with a small dating pool. He had a really blunt attitude about his sexuality - "You like chicks, I like guys - we both go out drinking looking to score - not much difference".

Men, gay or straight, are sex-addicted. Guidos dress in cheesy leather, hair grease, neck chains and thick soled euro-shoes because they think it exudes sexiness to chicks. I find those cats repulsive in both appearance and attitude. In the same vein, I think queens and flamboyant boy toy type gay men act provacitively to attract men. Just like their hereto cheesy guido counterparts, they don't need to do it. I imagine its awfully embarrassing to a conservative gay man to be with friends in a bar and see queens nancing about flamboyantly. These flamboyant freaks create horrible stereotypes which create unfair prejudices against normal everyday gay folks, just the same way as their guido counterparts scare the good women out of bars.

I don't like flamboyant jackasses, gay or straight. If I had my way, I'd bar guidos from all public establishments (anyone who looked like he could yell "Hey Vinnie" like Stallone would be barred for life) and bar queens and boy toys. If you eliminate these nauseating groups, I don't think there'd be any reason to even have separate gay and straight bars. Instead, you could have a normal bar for regular gay and straight folks and an idiot bar for queens and guidos, and of course, the bleach blonde Denises who fuck guidos.

S(fuck... that was too long)D

Really? Or is the problem just that the wrong people in your opinion engage in such activity over the wrong topics? And how do you determine which subjects "have nothing to do with" someone?

If I dedicated my life to gay people and fought with red-faced outrage against homophobia and the ridiculous bigotry accompanying it, do I have serious issues? What if I joined you in the fight against sexism? What if Leagle was an activist against racism? Do these things have nothing to do with us on an individual level? Do sexism, homophobia, racism, etc. have a larger impact to "us" as a society, or does it only have something to do with the target group? Does it have something to do with you indirectly?

Not trying to start anything (for a change). I'm just wondering what you mean.

TM

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I was quite proud when it was explained to me that I was on the "special" bus.

Living in SF, I know many gays/lesbians who would endorse your sentiments wholeheartedly. Whether they are 35 and don't want to go to a club where everyone is 25, pretty, and taking sextacy, or they are fed up with politicians like Tom Ammiano.

More importantly, though, I thought some more on the "slut" thing, and decided that, as men, we should also heap opprobrium on our friends and acquaintances who date women who don't put out. These "Uncle Toms" are just as guilty as the women, if not worse.

Your dear roomate is a card carrying imbecile, like anyone else who'd value dogma over reason. If there's a God (and I hope there is), I hope to hell he punishes the blindly religious for squandering his greatest gift to man - the ability to reason.

S(religion - the roadblock to every positive advance in modern culture)D

Goddamnit man, you've stumbled on a plan that should've been instituted years ago. Next time I hear anyone over 18 tell me he's dating a girl who won't sleep with him, I'm going to loosen his teeth for him.

I ran into one such man at a function a few months ago - a 25 year old, in medical school. The frigid wench was with him. After about five drinks I wanted to stand up and scream at the two of them "How fucking old are you? Its painfully obvious that both of you are frustrated to the point of explosion. I'd say its about goddamn time you drop the mental baggage, dear, and go fuck this wretched sap before he ejaculates prematurely while digging in his pocket for change. My God, your genitals must be swollen to the size of a pita sandwich... Down some wine, stop blathering incessantly and go fuck him in the parking lot. Then maybe you'll act calmly at dinner instead of picking at your fingernails like a 15 year old waiting on a pregnancy test".

S(Just once, I'd like to open my mouth and say what I'm thinking)D

I don't get how he just doesn't get it
 

There are many more Wills than Jacks. Hey, I don't want to see a guy and a girl making out in public, nor do I want to see two guys doing the same thing. Both are repulsive b/c...well...get a fucking room. As for two girls making out in public, well that's perfectly OK.

I'm a greasy Italian and I still hate Guidos.

I can at least understand both sides of the abortion issue, but anti-gay I just don't get...

I don't get how he just doesn't get it
 

Todd Jones = left tail.

AI
 

Obviously the jarheads who watch this are worried about the extinction of theie straight white man breed and thats what rallied them to call in. Was he crying when Ruben got called? How so very unmanly! My bil said that people were just trying to vote the black man off- its the only explanation. bc ruben and trenyce are the two most gifted on that show. hands down. Trenyce did the crime and is apparently now doing the time. luckily for her she is so beautfiul and gifted that she should have a solid career ahead of her.

Josh and Clay both deserved to be in the bottom two. Gotta hand it to the Siegrief and Roy vibrating elf queen, he knows how to pick tunes. He picked two songs that I just love and that are crowd pleaseers. His vibrato ruined solitaire though. Did the mood lighting cover it up for everyone including Simon? Unreal. As for Neal SEdaka's comment about wanting to wriet and produce for clay, that's a brilliant match, but not nearly as brilliant as a Barry Manilow- Clay collaboration. It would be like a multigenerational prancing balladeer fiesta.

As for Ruben, last night just ensured that those complacent Ruben fans, myself included, better get all grassroots and start calling. Thats right folks, I am going to start calling in for my man. The thought of enduring that show without Rerun O'Neal was too painful to contemplate. The loss of Trenyce alone is just sad, especially when the no talent jarhead and the lounge queen are still around.

My sister thinks Kim Locke will win though she thought Trenyce had all the qualities of an american idol- gifted talent, beauty style grace and presence. She is looking beautfiul- lost a lot of weight so her almost shaped eyes and cheekbones are showing. And she is so gracous. Where The Boys Are may hage been the best act to date. She is a good dark horse. But I am starting to wonder if a gifted black person can beat a mediocre white person? Last night's results really left me scratching my head. Ruben and Trenyce? My two faves. That was just wrong.

Last note, my sister had a huge laugh at Clay saying he was practicing NOT doing his ridiculous facial shit in the mirror. (How do you practice not doign somethign?) What I would not have gievn to be a fly in the wall high comedy.

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This is very interesting.

Most men I know (gay or straight) tend to express the same thing. There is something about putting your business in someone else's face that tends to make people a little uncomfortable. And it really freaks them out if they have a political, social, or religious objections to your relationship.

For example, about 9 years ago, I had a black boyfriend (quelle surprise). Back then, all those years ago, people were incredibly rude to me when we would be together in public. You could see the look of disgust on men's faces when he would put his arm around me or hug me. Men would pull doors shut as I would enter a store behind them, or make comments loud enough for me to hear, if my bf stepped away for an instant. (He was big enough to have them check themselves if he was right there.)

It doesn't matter what the relationship is, people will be uncomfortable when they encounter the manifestation of something to which they object.

Even(people are stupid)Odds

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For the benefit of those of us in the Pacific time zone, can we all refrain from giving away the AI results at 5:58 pm when some of us are still at work and the show doesn't start for two more hours?

Thanks!

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This might rightfully go on Politics, but I am putting it here because it was on Comedy Central and I don't want to have to wade through the Politics board...

One night this week Jon Stewart had a debate between President George W. Bush and Governor George W. Bush that was pretty entertaining. Apparently the Governor is opposed to "nation building".

n(I heart Jon Stewart)cs

Isn't that what you do here?

(Love your rants!)

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Yes, I apologize.

The black contestant comment from Paigow is similar to the discussion we had last night. Especially after Justin came out and sang an R&B song from his new album. Justin might not have done as well if he had sung in an R&B style as Ruben and Trenyce have done all season. (Granted, he does not have those pipes.) Instead, he picked a mild course and lasted longer than any other black contestant last year.

I am starting to think that Josh may win it all.

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Everything is fair game on the FB. I have removed political posts when they have also been posted on Politics.

Even(your lowly FB Mod)Odds

I think two very interesting questions/issues are going on in this thread. TM's is one and SD's is the other.

I'll start with SD's since in a way it is easier. When the last march on washington happened there were many complaints by those "outside" the gay mainstream that there was no place for them, that there were so many children and so many "married" couples that it was crazy, what had happened to the gay community?

The answer is that a lot of the gay community is assimilating very nicely into the rest of the country.

And there is a bit of a break between those who think certain behavior is appropriate and certain behavior is inappropriate in the gay community. I don't think it is appropriate to be standing on a table top screaming I AM GAY at the top of my lungs. I don't feel the need to passionately kiss my gf in front of other people (unless I am at a gay pride thing which apparently makes me given to PDA, something I don't understand exactly but I digress.)

I don't think it is appropriate for anyone, homosexual or heterosexual to be engaging in such displays in front of other people. I have little use for gay pride parades in which people are running around naked.

And for that there are people who would say I am the gay equiv of an Uncle Tom in the black community, or that I am homophobic. I think I am just conservative and have a different value system. But that is neither here nor there. I think a heterosexual can make the same exact argument, as long as that argument applies equally to heterosexuals, I would not think the person is homophobic.

There is a difference however between saying that extreme public displays of affection between anyone is inappropriate and going off on homosexuals for saying I'm proud, I'm here whatever, I am accepting of who I am, and you know, I'd like to be treated equally by society thank you very much. That is the typical, yeah you are gay, get the fuck back in the closet were you belong you freak. And that, if you ask me, is what the comments meant.

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To TM's point. There are obviously people who feel I am wrong to be a gay rights activist. Of course there are also gay rights activists who think I am too calm and quiet to be a gay rights activist, but again, digression.

I think that homophobia, sexism, racism, intolerance of other religious view points, etc. have an impact not only on those who are the victims of them, but on society as a whole. I think it harms society when we minimalize a group of individuals based upon some silly part of them. I think it harms society when parents and government and religions tell the children that it is ok to hate, to treat people as second class citizens because they are different.

I think those things cause at the least intolerance, and at the worst violence. I think that for most people it simply causes intolerance, but for the extremists, it gives them an excuse for violence. Why? Because these people, homosexuals, blacks, jews, christians, asians, whatever, are different, they are inferior, and so, we are justified in beating up the gay man who hits on a straight man, raping the lesbian who dares to not want to have sex with men, tying the black man behind a truck and dragging him simply because he is black, and yes, taken to its extreme, justified in terrorist attacks against the infidels.

I have babbled on and I am sorry. Obviously it is no surprise I have strong feelings on these issues.

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I do too. Don't you just want to run your fingers through his hair? The gray looks good on him.

r(missing the Steve Carrell/Steve Colbert point-counterpoint ("NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!") bit)p

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First off, I didn't see AI last season, but I think its safe to say that Justin sucks. Not just the song but the singing.

Secondly, I would bang Justin in a New York Minute. I love that crazy hair.

Thirdly,. Justin is practically white, esp compared to Ruben, Trenyce and Rickey Smith- so I dont think what he sang mattered so much. My theory would explain the banishment of Tamyra Gray (who I have never heard sing and ahve never seeen but for that cheezy Boston public road trip). Everyone says she is gifted and the class of the competition, but she didnt win. Am I totally off base here?

And why are there no asians on this show? I mean the show is fucking karaoke.

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Sorry, I just wanted to give RP a giggle and lighten up the mood...

My argument does rely on my assumption that expansion of equal civil rights to similarly situated people is always a benefit to society as a whole, and that limiting them for similarly situated people is always detrimental to society as a whole.

To me, issues like who one marries or has consensual sex/relationships with, whether one has an abortion, etc. are basically private matters that become political when people seek to limit the right of others to live their lives freely. In that sense these issues have nothing to do with others and those others are wrong to interfere. I may think a 15 year old girl is an idiot to give birth, but that doesn't give me the right to override her beliefs and force her to have an abortion. One might be a bigot, but that doesn't give one the right to act on that by refusing to hire a qualified person for a job. Equal rights hurt no-one--at worst, it takes away undeserved privileges. Restricting equal rights hurts people and society at large. So why people should so begrudge the rights of others to be treated fairly as they expect to be treated, bewilders me and makes me think they've got some sort of problem.

p(isn't this a discussion for the politics board? what do people think of Britney going auburn?)j

Britney
 

Got a picture?

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Nope. That's pretty much what I was trying to say. Now, that he has won, he can be who he is, instead of who the producers wanted him to be on the show.

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I frequently use the Steve Carell "You just made me vomit in my own mouth" debate parry. It certainly makes for very short reply briefs.

A(I bill 9.2 for it anyway --- it's value billing)G

Why can't I make my "penis" bigger?

I think you're using the wrong codes. (I have these e-mails I can forward to you if you really need them . . .)