LawTalkers - Patting the wrists, rolling the eyes.

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
While Bilmore's point about "sign the paper" is a fair one in principle, it rather buries one's head in the sand for the many instances when no one bothered.

Not in my mind. I say "sign the damn paper" partially because my position when it's not signed is that we cannot adequately determine the person's intent, and so should always err on the side of life.

Of course, if all survivors are in agreement, it's an easier call. But, when husband says "she told me once ten years ago that she would want to die in this situation", and parents and sibs strongly disagree, I don't think we should be making the decision that was made here without her signed written instrument. It errs the wrong way.

bilmore

03-29-2005 11:44 AM

More Good News From Iraq

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Originally posted by sgtclub
Iraqi resistance has peaked and is 'turning in on itself', according to recent intelligence reports from Baghdad received by Middle Eastern intelligence agencies.

The reports are the most optimistic for several months and reflect analysts' sense that recent elections in Iraq marked a 'quantum shift'. They will boost the government in the run-up to the expected general election in May.

Though the reports predict that violence against coalition troops and local forces is likely to continue for the foreseeable future, at least two Middle Eastern intelligence agencies believe that recent 'backchannel' initiatives aimed at persuading Sunni Muslim tribes in western Iraq to cease their resistance are meeting with some success.

Quagmire! No blood for oil! Democracy is a western construct, and it's racist for us to impose it on others!

Hank Chinaski

03-29-2005 12:05 PM

Republicans with guts

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
"I have a grave concern that they'll expedite the process to kill her with an overdose of morphine," Bob Schindler told the press Monday outside the hospice where his 41-year old daughter is a patient.

"She's alive and she's fighting like hell to live," he added, remarking on his daughter's "amazing, amazing endurance."

Schindler added that when he visited his daughter Monday, she was "still showing facial expressions" -- among other signs of interaction.

"She's trying to talk but it's very, very subdued," Schindler said. "All we need, if it's not too late, is for someone to save her," he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...e_050328195614

Too bad he's not listening closely enough to hear her say, "Give me the morphine, you SOB!"

Can you imagine what sick dark thoughts go through SS's mind on an average day? Now mix in his future in-laws make him watch Jesus movies this weekend. I bet when he got back to the document productions Monday AM he hid some stuff just to be spiteful, and to empower himself.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

03-29-2005 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
A written statement would also have been hearsay, but a form of out-of-court statement offered to prove the truth that we find more reliable.

BTW, if we want to argue evidence, what about prior bad acts and michael jackson? Talk about a dangerous law that allows this 'evidence'.

bilmore

03-29-2005 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
BTW, if we want to argue evidence, what about prior bad acts and michael jackson? Talk about a dangerous law that allows this 'evidence'.

We have all of these normal, constitutionally-driven protections for individuals charged with crimes, and that's great, unless of course what they're accused of is really, really icky.

Whacko law.

Shape Shifter

03-29-2005 12:53 PM

More Good News From Iraq

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Originally posted by bilmore
Quagmire! No blood for oil! Democracy is a western construct, and it's racist for us to impose it on others!

I never argued any of those positions, but I'll throw in a "Bush lied!" because it never grows old.

bilmore

03-29-2005 01:00 PM

More Good News From Iraq

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I never argued any of those positions, but I'll throw in a "Bush lied!" because it never grows old.

2.

It's as good as the first day it was used!

sgtclub

03-29-2005 02:27 PM

Interesting Website

I found this website for "new libertarianism" and thought many of you might be interested: I had no idea what new libertarians believed until I read the site, but here is a quick primer:

When given a set of policy choices,

The choice that maximizes personal liberty is the best choice.

The policy choice that offers the least amount of necessary government intervention or regulation is the best choice.

The policy choice that provides rational, market-based incentives is the best choice.

In foreign policy, neolibertartianism would be characterized by,

A policy of diplomacy that promotes consensual government and human rights and opposes dictatorship.

A policy of using US military force solely at the discretion of the US, but only in circumstances where American interests are directly affected.

http://www.neolibertarian.net/blogs/

Shape Shifter

03-29-2005 02:40 PM

Interesting Website

Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
I found this website for "new libertarianism" and thought many of you might be interested: I had no idea what new libertarians believed until I read the site, but here is a quick primer:

When given a set of policy choices,

The choice that maximizes personal liberty is the best choice.

The policy choice that offers the least amount of necessary government intervention or regulation is the best choice.

The policy choice that provides rational, market-based incentives is the best choice.

In foreign policy, neolibertartianism would be characterized by,

A policy of diplomacy that promotes consensual government and human rights and opposes dictatorship.

A policy of using US military force solely at the discretion of the US, but only in circumstances where American interests are directly affected.

http://www.neolibertarian.net/blogs/

And let me guess, freedom is good?

I've seen better sites. Even their own readers are blasting them in the comments section. These guys don't really seem to know what they're talking about.

andViolins

03-29-2005 02:42 PM

The Buzzards are Circling

The good Rev. Jackson is in town!

Jesse Jackson Urges Fla. Woman Be Kept Alive

PINELLAS PARK, Fla. (Reuters) - The Rev. Jesse Jackson pleaded on Tuesday for Terri Schiavo to be kept alive as the brain-damaged Florida woman at the center of a bitter family and political dispute slipped toward death.

"She is being starved to death, she is being dehydrated to death. That's immoral and unnecessary," the civil rights leader told reporters after meeting Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, near the hospice where she is being cared for.

Schiavo's feeding tube was removed on March 18 after a protracted court battle between Schiavo's husband, who is her legal guardian, and the Schindlers that galvanized many U.S. religious conservatives.

The case prompted the Republican-led U.S. Congress to pass a special law pushing the case into the federal courts, and President Bush cut short a vacation to sign it.

Bush's brother, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, has also intervened in the case.

But recent polls have shown most Americans felt Congress should have stayed out of Schiavo's case, and that the government should stay out of families' life and death decisions. A CBS poll last week found that 82 percent of Americans felt Congress should have stayed out of the case.

'PROFOUND MORAL ISSUES'

The Schindler's invited Jackson to visit to boost their effort to keep their daughter alive against court orders and her husband's wishes. Michael Schiavo believes his wife, 41 and severely brain-damaged for 15 years, would never have wanted to live in this state.

"This is one of the profound moral issues of our time," said Jackson, adding he was in touch with members of the Florida legislature to try to get them to intervene.

"We ask today for some hard hearts to be softened up."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...hts_schiavo_dc

Interesting. I wasn't aware that you could shake down someone in a persistent vegitative state.

aV

Replaced_Texan

03-29-2005 02:45 PM

The Buzzards are Circling

Quote:

Originally posted by andViolins
The good Rev. Jackson is in town!

Jesse Jackson Urges Fla. Woman Be Kept Alive

PINELLAS PARK, Fla. (Reuters) - The Rev. Jesse Jackson pleaded on Tuesday for Terri Schiavo to be kept alive as the brain-damaged Florida woman at the center of a bitter family and political dispute slipped toward death.

"She is being starved to death, she is being dehydrated to death. That's immoral and unnecessary," the civil rights leader told reporters after meeting Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, near the hospice where she is being cared for.

Schiavo's feeding tube was removed on March 18 after a protracted court battle between Schiavo's husband, who is her legal guardian, and the Schindlers that galvanized many U.S. religious conservatives.

The case prompted the Republican-led U.S. Congress to pass a special law pushing the case into the federal courts, and President Bush cut short a vacation to sign it.

Bush's brother, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, has also intervened in the case.

But recent polls have shown most Americans felt Congress should have stayed out of Schiavo's case, and that the government should stay out of families' life and death decisions. A CBS poll last week found that 82 percent of Americans felt Congress should have stayed out of the case.

'PROFOUND MORAL ISSUES'

The Schindler's invited Jackson to visit to boost their effort to keep their daughter alive against court orders and her husband's wishes. Michael Schiavo believes his wife, 41 and severely brain-damaged for 15 years, would never have wanted to live in this state.

"This is one of the profound moral issues of our time," said Jackson, adding he was in touch with members of the Florida legislature to try to get them to intervene.

"We ask today for some hard hearts to be softened up."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...hts_schiavo_dc

Interesting. I wasn't aware that you could shake down someone in a persistent vegitative state.

aV

Hmm. I wonder if I can use this. The Governor's office has been putting out videotapes around the state of Senators Hutchison and Clinton buddying up in an effort to show that Kay Bailey is on the wrong side of God. Perhaps a Tom DeLay / Jesse Jackson video circling around Ft. Bend County could do a world of good.

bilmore

03-29-2005 02:54 PM

The Buzzards are Circling

Quote:

Originally posted by andViolins
The good Rev. Jackson is in town!

This issue has been a very personal one for him ever since the Dems started dating Sharpton and pulled the plug on Jesse.

Shape Shifter

03-29-2005 03:04 PM

The Buzzards are Circling

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Originally posted by bilmore
This issue has been a very personal one for him ever since the Dems started dating Sharpton and pulled the plug on Jesse.

Congratulations. He's yours now.

bilmore

03-29-2005 03:52 PM

The Buzzards are Circling

Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Congratulations. He's yours now.

Well, we've got Nader. Might as well take Jesse, too.

Replaced_Texan

03-29-2005 04:10 PM

I *heart* snark

(spree: apology letter)

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