Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 477819)

Jesus Christ, man. When you agree this violently with Sebby you gotta be thinking, "What the fuck is going on?"

I think you are misunderstanding what the fuck people are saying. I don't think there is a person in the world who would say rape isn't "about" sex. It's a sexual act. There is a sexual component. Yes, it's "about" sex.

The question is, "Why does it happen?" It happens because someone who is a position of power exercises that power over someone else. That is why people constantly say it is a crime "about" power and control.

Whatever. I'm done with this argument. It's fucking stupid.

TM

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 477838)

I'm saying there may be less rape here than in Iran because fewer Americans would view any sexual contact as degrading. Thus someone seeking to degrade may be less likely to use sex to achieve it.

I have no idea if the numbers back that up. Obviously, there are many other factors in play too.



No, I'm highlighting it.



This would be a cogent point (well, would have been the first of the 17 times it was mentioned) if we were having a conversation only about this case. I would have thought most readers would have figured out by now that that isn't the conversation we are having.



I believe that's true for you. I do not believe that's necessarily true, or, more importantly believed by the potential rapist to be true, for those most likely to rape.

Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 477865)

I would add also that the rapist is seeking to satisfy an urge to exercise power and aggression, not get his rocks off.

Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 477866)

I'm fairly certain there is less rape in Iran becaue women are treated as chattel and not allowed to go out unaccompanied as a rule. The fact that the penalty is death probably has a lot to do with it, too.

Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 477866)

I'm fairly certain there is less rape in Iran becaue women are treated as chattel and not allowed to go out unaccompanied as a rule. The fact that the penalty is death probably has a lot to do with it, too.

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 477868)

A women can just as easily be raped at home. Especially where the law doesn't call it rape (which seems likely the case in Iran).

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 477856)

We were talking about "date rape" (which I wholly agree is a terrible term), but which by definition happens in a setting where one party or both views romance as a possibility.

Originally Posted by J. Fred Muggs (Post 477872)

Stalkers who rape people are deluded that romance is a possibility.

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 477881)

Is there an add-on for a browser that will block certain topics from appearing on my internet? For example, I never want to see or hear anything about the Kardashians ever again. Can I filter my own personal internet to make it so?

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 477882)

I always thought Michelle Shocked was a lesbian. I guess she answered that one.

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 477885)

She may very well be -- supposedly she was cagey in interviews back in the day when caginess was understood to be a coy admission of such things -- but she's adopted a form of Christianity in which gay sex is viewed as prohibited. That strikes the rigorously modern mind as hypocritical, but it's possible to be gay and believe one's sexuality is on the naughty list, no different from wanting to have extramarital affairs but feeling these are religiously prohibited. The idea that orientation is (a.) more structural than mere urge and (b.) eventually trumps belief because "God made you that way" is very recent. God made some people very horny but to a religious way of thinking that doesn't mean he wants you to fuck anything that moves.