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Is he just looking for any old place where U.S. troops are called torturers? Because I have some of those...or are there restrictions on who it is who can be cited?

Empty Promise to the Board
 

I am hearing formerly anti-Hilary dems starting to consider her again. In fact, I am not sure she is as much of a non-starter as you suggest.

But I agree, she has a huge hole to climb out of, and I do not think she is the best choice at the moment.

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Translation: I might not miss him in the abstract, but given the choice between Penske and Hillary, I'd take Penske.

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First all, that is bullshit.

Second of all, you do see a difference, right? One actor is a member of modern Western civilization, that enjoys the defacto stamp of approval of the U.S.

The other is a mess that no one quite knows what to do with, and certainly doesn't get material or other support from the civilized world.

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Translation: If she knocks Penske outtda box, I could hold my nose and vote for her.

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No, its not. Sadly, only 60 years after the holocaust, Weurope is once again rabidly anti-semitic, as is the Middle East, and the American Left is attempting to have us join them. Thankfully a few of us patriots are still pro-Israel, but a Hillary victory would signal the deathknell, I fear.

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Haven't seen anything about that in CAIR's action alerts. And their link titled, 'Not in the Name of Islam Campaign' brings you to a blank page. (!!) As millions of Muslims slaughter innocents in the very name of Islam, CAIR is posting "Action Alerts" once a month urging American Muslims to complain about the shortage of postage stamps a few years ago commemorating Eid ul-Fitr and Eid ul-Adha and
here too.

Nice.

16-1
 

Anyone else hoping that the President, inspired by the recent revelation of a legendary hockey coach, will finally come out as a functional illeterate?

This is going to be painful, but I may actually decide to watch.

Empty Promise to the Board
 

I will vote for her if she is the nominee, but I will not support her in the primaries. And I don't even have to hold my nose.

As to you, I would just be happy if I could put you on ignore.

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I am fairly certain that you and Slave are the only two people who care what CAIR says.

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I only care about CAIR not caring. Nothing else.

In other words, whiff.

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Reuters, AP, the NYT and WaPo sure give them a lot of ink - for such an irrelevant group

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Right. Which is why you felt the need to devote an entire post to them.

Speaking of whiff...

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I do too.

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So long, succor?

Three dollar words
 

FWIW, I should get a prize for getting the word "succor" back in the PB lexicon.

Three dollar words
 

Whatever, sucker.

Corn(holing)
 

Anyone know if ethanol is actually energy saving? Yes, I am too lazy to google whether it take more electricty (produced by burning coal) than it saves in oil not burned.

I am always skeptical that ethanol is anything other than a giant give away to corn farmers. And Grassley's reaction to Bush's suggest did not help convince me otherwise.

SOTU
 

Chart?

Iran, and kept on runnin'
 

I actually sort of agree with him about Iran. Unfortunately, rather than wiat for a target to develop that is actually linked to Islamic fundamentalism, we went after its secular (although evil) neighbor and now lack both the ability and the will to act against the real sponsors of "Islamofascism."

Three dollar words
 

"I'm gonna git you succor."

-- Slave

Reading between the lines
 

Bush, his advisors and the military discussed all options. But HE chose the surge as the best chance of succes. Note that no one else necessarily agreed.

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I found the items in my post to be very telling about the largest organization of Muslim-Americans and very relevant to the discussion of the so-called Muslim "response" to world events. And one small illustration of a larger issue you seem to be ignoring.

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It's true. A search of the WaPo archives, for example, reveals that the paper has mentioned "CAIR" in 79 different pieces.

Since 1987.

God, those motherfuckers.

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Translation: I care about CAIR.

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"council on american-islamic relations" has 311 hits since 1987. Can you say "Sorry Slave?"

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The Citizens for Agriculture and Irrigation Reform have really been marginalized since 2001.

SOTU
 

How do you know he wasn't?

S_A_M

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I don't get this. Is there some book I should have read?

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The conservative-libertarian wing of the GOP is a forgiving bunch.

I'm also guessing Gatti went with WaPo, as the Reuters search probably crashed his computers

Summed up nicely
 

President Bush:


Democrats (all seated):

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I don't know if I'd vote for her if she is the nominee. It would depend on who the GOP candidate is.

I was once very pro-Hillary, but was very disappointed in her. If the GOP candidate were a moderate, I'd definitely vote GOP over her. If the GOP candidate were someone heinous, I don't know what I'd do.

But I hope it won't come down to that. I'd love a choice between a moderate Dem and a moderate GOP -- but would settle for two candidates I can at least respect.

but....
 

as recounted by the brilliant Mark Steyn:

follow-up commentary by Andy McCarthy:

Steyn follow-thru:

yes, on the Corner

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Can you define "moderate Dem" for the peanut gallery here?

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I guess I define a moderate, on either side of the aisle, as someone who balances economic and social concerns -- the particular party would make one side weigh a little heavier than the other but doesn't sacrifice one for the other. And who doesn't have a history of voting straight party line or make too many promises to the extremes in the party.

But I realize someone like that is unlikely to win nomination on either side. I'd be happy with candidates who are complained about by the hardliners in their own parties as not being "pure" enough.

And while I'm wishing for the impossible, I'll also wish that people who call themselves evangelical Christians would spend their time, energy and political capital on something other than abortion and gay marriage.

Empty Promise to the Board
 

Isn't Bush a moderate Republican by this test?

His big budget-unlimited spending compassionate conservatism (gag) is populist, Democrat-ish, and makes folks like me, Club and Spanky lie awake at night.

Empty Promise to the Board
 

Hi! Am I on ignore?

Empty Promise to the Board
 

I've seen your interactions with the homeless up close. Compassionate is your middle name.

Summed up nicely
 

Why should anyone applaud Bush's policy statements on Iraq until he provides some demonstration that he can deliver on the big talk -- that his administration can execute?

[Even within the more cramped confines of what is currently possible.]

Really -- he is our leader and all, and we have to do something and we don't want things to get worse -- but his credibility on Iraq is close to zero by this point.

Oh yeah, except that he really, really means what he says and he tries really really really hard. Honest. That is enough for me to applaud my small child, but not my President.

So, shut up and show us something.

S_A_M

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All CAIR does, as near as I can tell, is issue press releases. Although I suppose this makes them an essential and ideal adversary in conservatives' ongoing battles.