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Sidd Finch 01-19-2009 05:28 PM
Re: Obama first challenge to stand up for what is right
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 378220)
Oh, wait. Today's not Friday. My bad.
And I'm not Hank.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 01-19-2009 05:47 PM
And chew up the GWB Presidential Portrait!
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 378221)
I don't know whether they "deserve" a puppy, but getting a puppy is admittedly an entirely different proposition from getting a dog, with its own costs and benefits. And it's been a while since I had a dog of my own, but I think precious few trainers would recommend that a busy family with kids and lots of travel in their future who are first-time dog owners should get a rescue purebred. A mutt puppy would be the sweet spot -- a dog that might otherwise be unwanted but is less likely to have a purebred's genetic flaws. Puppy experience; less of the purebred's downsides.

I think a Labradoodle is a designer mutt. No idea whether it's in the sweet spot, but the name makes me TUALBIMM.
I think they need a puppy.

Just so it can pee on all the stuff Bush left.

Hank Chinaski 01-19-2009 06:55 PM
Re: Obama first challenge to stand up for what is right
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 378221)
I don't know whether they "deserve" a puppy, but getting a puppy is admittedly an entirely different proposition from getting a dog, with its own costs and benefits. And it's been a while since I had a dog of my own, but I think precious few trainers would recommend that a busy family with kids and lots of travel in their future who are first-time dog owners should get a rescue purebred. A mutt puppy would be the sweet spot -- a dog that might otherwise be unwanted but is less likely to have a purebred's genetic flaws. Puppy experience; less of the purebred's downsides.

I think a Labradoodle is a designer mutt. No idea whether it's in the sweet spot, but the name makes me TUALBIMM.
know your role:

The dog gods of the Zoraterists, purebreds or mutts?

Penske_Account 01-19-2009 08:39 PM
QuintanaRoo., R.I.P.
 
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Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 378210)

a puppy mill.....
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 378221)
And it's been a while since I had a dog of my own, but I think precious few trainers would recommend that a busy family with kids and lots of travel in their future who are first-time dog owners should get a rescue purebred. A mutt puppy would be the sweet spot -- a dog that might otherwise be unwanted but is less likely to have a purebred's genetic flaws. Puppy experience; less of the purebred's downsides.

.
I knew a wildly genetically flawed purebred yellow labrador from a puppymill in Missouri. An at-that-time soon-to-be busy family who were first time dog owners became his owner. He survived being lead poisoned, epileptic (with seizures of a frequency of 10-12/hour for weeks), double hip dysplasia and hip recontruction surgery in his first 6 months of life, but, he had a good soul, was very loyal and ended up surviving to be a great friend and perfect (in lots of imperfect ways) pet for over 12 years....until this morning...he's missed.

In my experience any dog can be a great pet, its a large measure of what the people put into the relationship. I wish the Obamas luck and joy in the dog that they get.

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taxwonk 01-19-2009 08:53 PM
Re: QuintanaRoo., R.I.P.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Penske_Account (Post 378232)
I knew a wildly genetically flawed purebred yellow labrador from a puppymill in Missouri. An at-that-time soon-to-be busy family who were first time dog owners became his owner. He survived being lead poisoned, epileptic (with seizures of a frequency of 10-12/hour for weeks), double hip dysplasia and hip recontruction surgery in his first 6 months of life, but, he had a good soul, was very loyal and ended up surviving to be a great friend and perfect (in lots of imperfect ways) pet for over 12 years....until this morning...he's missed.

In my experience any dog can be a great pet, its a large measure of what the people put into the relationship. I wish the Obamas luck and joy in the dog that they get.

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I'm very sorry for you loss.

Adder 01-19-2009 09:11 PM
Re: Feathers and Steel
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 378201)
Besides, they probably weren't frozen. This was NYC, not the Upper Peninsula.
Sounds like a job for Mythbusters.

bold_n_brazen 01-19-2009 09:35 PM
Re: QuintanaRoo., R.I.P.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Penske_Account (Post 378232)
I knew a wildly genetically flawed purebred yellow labrador from a puppymill in Missouri. An at-that-time soon-to-be busy family who were first time dog owners became his owner. He survived being lead poisoned, epileptic (with seizures of a frequency of 10-12/hour for weeks), double hip dysplasia and hip recontruction surgery in his first 6 months of life, but, he had a good soul, was very loyal and ended up surviving to be a great friend and perfect (in lots of imperfect ways) pet for over 12 years....until this morning...he's missed.

In my experience any dog can be a great pet, its a large measure of what the people put into the relationship. I wish the Obamas luck and joy in the dog that they get.

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I am so sorry. There's not much that compares, is there?

Atticus Grinch 01-19-2009 10:21 PM
Re: QuintanaRoo., R.I.P.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Penske_Account (Post 378232)
I knew a wildly genetically flawed purebred yellow labrador from a puppymill in Missouri. An at-that-time soon-to-be busy family who were first time dog owners became his owner. He survived being lead poisoned, epileptic (with seizures of a frequency of 10-12/hour for weeks), double hip dysplasia and hip recontruction surgery in his first 6 months of life, but, he had a good soul, was very loyal and ended up surviving to be a great friend and perfect (in lots of imperfect ways) pet for over 12 years....until this morning...he's missed.
I'm sorry for your loss. It is an amazing privilege to have been master to, and companion of, a good dog.

Penske_Account 01-20-2009 02:03 AM
Thanks all
 
I appreciate the nice words. Its harder than I thought it would be. 12 1/2 years is a long time, and of course with the reflection that death triggers comes reflection on everything the passing of such time has meant and resulted in. good. and. bad.

Of course, I wouldn't have traded him for any other. [sniff] [sob] [sigh]

Fugee 01-20-2009 08:34 AM
Re: Thanks all
 
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Originally Posted by Penske_Account (Post 378241)
I appreciate the nice words. Its harder than I thought it would be. 12 1/2 years is a long time, and of course with the reflection that death triggers comes reflection on everything the passing of such time has meant and resulted in. good. and. bad.

Of course, I wouldn't have traded him for any other. [sniff] [sob] [sigh]
Losing a long-time pet is much harder thanyou can imagine if you haven't gone through it. When my first cat died after 14 years, I was so upset I had to go home from work. I used to think I saw her out of the corner of my eye.

I am very sorry for your loss. How are the kids taking it?

Fugee 01-20-2009 08:40 AM
Re: Obama first challenge to stand up for what is right
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 378221)
A mutt puppy would be the sweet spot -- a dog that might otherwise be unwanted but is less likely to have a purebred's genetic flaws. Puppy experience; less of the purebred's downsides.

I think a Labradoodle is a designer mutt. No idea whether it's in the sweet spot, but the name makes me TUALBIMM.
But with allergies you can't get any old mutt puppy -- you have to get one that work with allergies. That's why they're going with a Labradoodle -- a designer mutt (Labrador/poodle cross, hence the cutsie name) that people with allergies generally can have withotu getting sick. That puts it in the sweet spot for them.

Fugee 01-20-2009 10:11 AM
Inaugural fashion
 
Not my favorite of the outfits I've seen her wear. It looks a little matronly for her.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/PO...ues.31.cnn.jpgAnd my "her" I mean Michelle. Laura B. has always looked kind of matronly.

ThurgreedMarshall 01-20-2009 10:37 AM
Re: Obama first challenge to stand up for what is right
 
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Originally Posted by notcasesensitive (Post 378216)
How about them Cardinals??
Better question. How does McNabb not complete that slant on 3rd and 10 with the game on the line? What a ridiculously horrible pass. Just pathetic. If you can't complete that pass, you don't deserve to ever win a Superbowl.

TM

Sidd Finch 01-20-2009 10:59 AM
Re: QuintanaRoo., R.I.P.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Penske_Account (Post 378232)
I knew a wildly genetically flawed purebred yellow labrador from a puppymill in Missouri. An at-that-time soon-to-be busy family who were first time dog owners became his owner. He survived being lead poisoned, epileptic (with seizures of a frequency of 10-12/hour for weeks), double hip dysplasia and hip recontruction surgery in his first 6 months of life, but, he had a good soul, was very loyal and ended up surviving to be a great friend and perfect (in lots of imperfect ways) pet for over 12 years....until this morning...he's missed.

In my experience any dog can be a great pet, its a large measure of what the people put into the relationship. I wish the Obamas luck and joy in the dog that they get.

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So sorry man. I'm glad that you and he had a long and happy time together.

Hank Chinaski 01-20-2009 11:05 AM
Re: Inaugural fashion
 
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Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 378244)
Not my favorite of the outfits I've seen her wear. It looks a little matronly for her.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/PO...ues.31.cnn.jpgAnd my "her" I mean Michelle. Laura B. has always looked kind of matronly.
has Michelle gained weight since the election, or is it the angle?

also, at the risk of being hurtful, and I apologize if I'm wrong, but I don't believe Penske had a dog. I think he is just trying to curry favor, and get back in people's good graces.

Adder 01-20-2009 11:10 AM
Re: Inaugural fashion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 378244)
Not my favorite of the outfits I've seen her wear. It looks a little matronly for her.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/PO...ues.31.cnn.jpgAnd my "her" I mean Michelle. Laura B. has always looked kind of matronly.
I think it isn't bad. It's cold out there and there isn't a whole lot of room for flexibility in the occasion.

I think they all deserve credit for avoiding this:
http://www.theweeklymeat.com/photos/..._auschwitz.jpg

1436 01-20-2009 11:13 AM
Re: QuintanaRoo., R.I.P.
 
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Originally Posted by Penske_Account (Post 378232)
I knew a wildly genetically flawed purebred yellow labrador . . .
So sorry for your loss.

One of my favorite dogs from childhood was my grandmother's yellow lab. The picture of QuintanaRoo brought tears to my eyes.

sebastian_dangerfield 01-20-2009 11:18 AM
Re: Inaugural fashion
 
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Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 378244)
Not my favorite of the outfits I've seen her wear. It looks a little matronly for her.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/PO...ues.31.cnn.jpgAnd my "her" I mean Michelle. Laura B. has always looked kind of matronly.
When did the GOP become the blue tie party and the Dems become the red tie party? Back in 2000 and 2004, it was always the opposite.

And while I'm at it, enough with the blue and red tie shit. I'm fucking sick of seeing them wear those same small pattern or solid power ties. If Obama wants to break the mold a bit, he ought to start wearing the occasional striped or patterned shirt, and ties of all different colors. And his shirts should have proper collars. The American notion that one must look like a fucking guidance counselor to be "statesmanlike," with the $19.99-at-Wal Mart point collars they're wearing in this photo, is childish. Stupid nod to bureaucrat culture, if you ask me. And as to suits, Bush has worn Oxxford suits for the last eight years, which are damn nice, but he gets them cut to drape like he's box with legs. Makes him look like a kid going on his first job interviews. I hope Obama changes this. He's skinny enough to have his clothes properly tailored.

The point collar needs to go. Sartorial mortal sin.

bold_n_brazen 01-20-2009 11:21 AM
Re: Obama first challenge to stand up for what is right
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 378246)
Better question. How does McNabb not complete that slant on 3rd and 10 with the game on the line? What a ridiculously horrible pass. Just pathetic. If you can't complete that pass, you don't deserve to ever win a Superbowl.

TM
Concur. Time for a bloodbath. I've had it.

Fugee 01-20-2009 11:26 AM
Re: Inaugural fashion
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 378251)
has Michelle gained weight since the election, or is it the angle?
Pretty sure it is the angle and the overcoat part of the outfit. Other photos of what she has worn this weekend are more flattering but I haven't seen a really flattering photo of her in the yellow outfit.

Fugee 01-20-2009 12:29 PM
Inaugural address
 
That was inspiring.

bold_n_brazen 01-20-2009 12:36 PM
Re: Inaugural fashion
 
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Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 378257)
Pretty sure it is the angle and the overcoat part of the outfit. Other photos of what she has worn this weekend are more flattering but I haven't seen a really flattering photo of her in the yellow outfit.
I like the yellow outfit. I am apparently the only one.

Cletus Miller 01-20-2009 12:55 PM
Re: Inaugural fashion
 
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Originally Posted by bold_n_brazen (Post 378260)
I like the yellow outfit. I am apparently the only one.
I thought it looked good on tv, but in the photo posted here, notsomuch.

Hank Chinaski 01-20-2009 01:03 PM
cross post
 
I was thinking, one really cool thing is that it sounds like the fringster has recovered enough that she should have been able to appreciate and enjoy the inaugeration. Obama has to get my teeth straightened , but also, lets work on getting Fringey back here.

Penske_Account 01-20-2009 01:14 PM
Re: Thanks all
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 378242)
Losing a long-time pet is much harder thanyou can imagine if you haven't gone through it. When my first cat died after 14 years, I was so upset I had to go home from work. I used to think I saw her out of the corner of my eye.

I am very sorry for your loss. How are the kids taking it?
Thanks. This is the first time and much harder than I expected. After a full day its amazing to come to the realisation, based on the increased level of quiet, that he demanded to be and was the absolute center of attention in the household.

the kids are a mixed bag correlating with age. the oldest is really broken up, the middle goes from emotional to completely the normal, and the youngest is consistently a goofball.

taxwonk 01-20-2009 01:17 PM
Re: Inaugural fashion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 378255)
When did the GOP become the blue tie party and the Dems become the red tie party? Back in 2000 and 2004, it was always the opposite.

And while I'm at it, enough with the blue and red tie shit. I'm fucking sick of seeing them wear those same small pattern or solid power ties. If Obama wants to break the mold a bit, he ought to start wearing the occasional striped or patterned shirt, and ties of all different colors. And his shirts should have proper collars. The American notion that one must look like a fucking guidance counselor to be "statesmanlike," with the $19.99-at-Wal Mart point collars they're wearing in this photo, is childish. Stupid nod to bureaucrat culture, if you ask me. And as to suits, Bush has worn Oxxford suits for the last eight years, which are damn nice, but he gets them cut to drape like he's box with legs. Makes him look like a kid going on his first job interviews. I hope Obama changes this. He's skinny enough to have his clothes properly tailored.

The point collar needs to go. Sartorial mortal sin.
We've debated it before, but still you haven't learned. A spread collar looks good on a few men. With most, it makes the tie look like the string on a balloon. Maybe you don't look like a balloon head. That doesn't mean the look is right for everyone.

It's like shaving your head as a way of "hiding" the fact you're bald. Michael Jordan pulls it off. Thurgreed pulls it off. Michael Chiklis looks like his skull was clumsily carved from a block of limestone. Can you imagine him in a spread collar? He'd look like a lumpy stone balloon.

taxwonk 01-20-2009 01:18 PM
Re: Inaugural address
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 378258)
That was inspiring.
Fuckin' A.

Penske_Account 01-20-2009 01:19 PM
Re: QuintanaRoo., R.I.P.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 378249)
So sorry man. I'm glad that you and he had a long and happy time together.
Thanks. For a dog that multiple vets counseled should be put down at 10 weeks due to his epilepsy, he did okay to make it 12 more years and more than returned the early emotional investment (not too mention the early financial investment-the joke always was, we had to keep alive to a ripe old age to justify/amortize the medical costs of the first 6 months.......).

Penske_Account 01-20-2009 01:21 PM
Re: Inaugural fashion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 378251)
has Michelle gained weight since the election, or is it the angle?

also, at the risk of being hurtful, and I apologize if I'm wrong, but I don't believe Penske had a dog. I think he is just trying to curry favor, and get back in people's good graces.
WP, P. At least your wife had the decency to send some TLC my way.......

Penske_Account 01-20-2009 01:22 PM
Re: QuintanaRoo., R.I.P.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1436 (Post 378254)
So sorry for your loss.

One of my favorite dogs from childhood was my grandmother's yellow lab. The picture of QuintanaRoo brought tears to my eyes.
Thanks. On a happier note, happy inaugaration day to all!

Gattigap 01-20-2009 01:25 PM
Re: cross post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 378266)
I was thinking, one really cool thing is that it sounds like the fringster has recovered enough that she should have been able to appreciate and enjoy the inaugeration. Obama has to get my teeth straightened , but also, lets work on getting Fringey back here.
Word.

Adder 01-20-2009 02:35 PM
Re: cross post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 378266)
I was thinking, one really cool thing is that it sounds like the fringster has recovered enough that she should have been able to appreciate and enjoy the inaugeration.
That is good news indeed.

bold_n_brazen 01-20-2009 02:37 PM
Re: Inaugural fashion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 378264)
I thought it looked good on tv, but in the photo posted here, notsomuch.
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gad...5009_large.jpg

Apparently the shoes are Jimmy Choo. I think she looked great. I was surprised here when someone said he was goofy looking, but better looking than she.

I think they're both really attractive.

Cletus Miller 01-20-2009 02:39 PM
Re: Inaugural fashion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bold_n_brazen (Post 378283)
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gad...5009_large.jpg

Apparently the shoes are Jimmy Choo. I think she looked great. I was surprised here when someone said he was goofy looking, but better looking than she.

I think they're both really attractive.
Much better picture; still not as good as it looked in motion.

notcasesensitive 01-20-2009 02:45 PM
Re: Inaugural fashion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bold_n_brazen (Post 378283)
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gad...5009_large.jpg

Apparently the shoes are Jimmy Choo. I think she looked great. I was surprised here when someone said he was goofy looking, but better looking than she.

I think they're both really attractive.
Did you ever see her shoes? I did not and no photos seem to have captured them, so no opinion. I rather liked the outfit although the top coat did seem rather bulky, which makes sense given the temperature and all. Leaps and bounds better than the election night red and black number.

Replaced_Texan 01-20-2009 02:48 PM
Re: QuintanaRoo., R.I.P.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Penske_Account (Post 378232)
I knew a wildly genetically flawed purebred yellow labrador from a puppymill in Missouri. An at-that-time soon-to-be busy family who were first time dog owners became his owner. He survived being lead poisoned, epileptic (with seizures of a frequency of 10-12/hour for weeks), double hip dysplasia and hip recontruction surgery in his first 6 months of life, but, he had a good soul, was very loyal and ended up surviving to be a great friend and perfect (in lots of imperfect ways) pet for over 12 years....until this morning...he's missed.

In my experience any dog can be a great pet, its a large measure of what the people put into the relationship. I wish the Obamas luck and joy in the dog that they get.

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Oh, sweetheart, I'm so sorry.

Replaced_Texan 01-20-2009 02:50 PM
Re: Inaugural fashion
 
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Originally Posted by bold_n_brazen (Post 378260)
I like the yellow outfit. I am apparently the only one.
I liked it too. I thought she looked great.

Fugee 01-20-2009 02:52 PM
Re: Inaugural fashion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by notcasesensitive (Post 378287)
Did you ever see her shoes? I did not and no photos seem to have captured them, so no opinion. I rather liked the outfit although the top coat did seem rather bulky, which makes sense given the temperature and all. Leaps and bounds better than the election night red and black number.
I don't hate the outfit; it's just not one of my favorite of hers. I'm not fond of the neckline decoration on the dress. Look forward to seeing her ballgown for tonight.

Hank Chinaski 01-20-2009 02:56 PM
Re: Inaugural fashion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 378290)
I don't hate the outfit; it's just not one of my favorite of hers. I'm not fond of the neckline decoration on the dress. Look forward to seeing her ballgown for tonight.
isn't the yelow and green simply evocative of spring (even though the weather isn't) and regrowth and change?

Dave 01-20-2009 03:00 PM
Re: Inaugural fashion
 
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Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 378244)
Why is Oprah in this picture with Obama and the Bushes anyway?


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