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ThurgreedMarshall 10-31-2019 11:44 AM
Re: Jesus H. Christ
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 525844)
Big news today is that John Bolton is going to testify.
I find it absolutely amazing how Trump keeps getting away with shitting on people who know where the bodies are buried. I understand that the Republicans are so invested in this lunatic that their whole machine (from campaign support to post-political career jobs) is set up to punish those who fall out of line. But you'd think that the clown car of people he's used would understand the nature of their fruit fly life cycle in his Administration and actually nail his stupid, careless, racist ass.

TM

Tyrone Slothrop 10-31-2019 12:10 PM
Re: Jesus H. Christ
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 525855)
I find it absolutely amazing how Trump keeps getting away with shitting on people who know where the bodies are buried. I understand that the Republicans are so invested in this lunatic that their whole machine (from campaign support to post-political career jobs) is set up to punish those who fall out of line. But you'd think that the clown car of people he's used would understand the nature of their fruit fly life cycle in his Administration and actually nail his stupid, careless, racist ass.

TM
It's not Trump who is scaring conservatives into sticking with him, it's other conservatives. They all know that he's going to be gone someday, but they're all scared of his supporters. Without conservatives, Trump would be a narcissistic hotel owner.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-31-2019 12:21 PM
Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Who is this nut job? At least now I understand what Devin Nunes was raving about this morning.

ThurgreedMarshall 10-31-2019 01:10 PM
Re: Jesus H. Christ
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 525856)
It's not Trump who is scaring conservatives into sticking with him, it's other conservatives. They all know that he's going to be gone someday, but they're all scared of his supporters. Without conservatives, Trump would be a narcissistic hotel owner.
Yes, thanks for that.

Obviously his idiot supporters control the largest voting block of a Republican Party that has gerrymandered itself into a corner. But the RNC, Trump's big money supporters, and the Conservative think tank/lobbyist machine will destroy you if you step out of line, even if you don't care about your seat. And by "destroy you," I mean, "not give you a 7 figure gig for voting the way they want."

TM

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-31-2019 04:03 PM
Re: Jesus H. Christ
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 525855)
I find it absolutely amazing how Trump keeps getting away with shitting on people who know where the bodies are buried. I understand that the Republicans are so invested in this lunatic that their whole machine (from campaign support to post-political career jobs) is set up to punish those who fall out of line. But you'd think that the clown car of people he's used would understand the nature of their fruit fly life cycle in his Administration and actually nail his stupid, careless, racist ass.

TM
We have to stop seeing Trump as some sort of strange phenomenon. When you compare him to some republicans from times past, like G. Gordon Liddy, Joe McCarthy, Henry Ford, Spiro Agnew, Newt Gingrich... is there really that much difference? They all have twisted authoritarian viewpoints, extreme amounts of narcissism, a willingness to embrace mobs and violence to get their ends, and an appeal based heavily on racism and nativism.

It's not something new.

Replaced_Texan 10-31-2019 04:08 PM
Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Far be it for me to mix topics on the boards, but the goings on at Deadspin are a damned travesty.

I think six resigned yesterday. I've counted at least four today. I admire the hell out them for this.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-31-2019 05:25 PM
Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 525860)
Far be it for me to mix topics on the boards, but the goings on at Deadspin are a damned travesty.

I think six resigned yesterday. I've counted at least four today. I admire the hell out them for this.
I keep seeing references to this, but have no idea what is going on.

Hank Chinaski 10-31-2019 05:31 PM
Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 525860)
Far be it for me to mix topics on the boards, but the goings on at Deadspin are a damned travesty.

I think six resigned yesterday. I've counted at least four today. I admire the hell out them for this.
I don’t read it but it sounds like management wanted to keep a sports blog limited to sports?

Oliver_Wendell_Ramone 10-31-2019 05:34 PM
Re: I was so much older than, I’m younger than that now.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 525852)
Could that "GOP operative" refer to Arthur Schwartz? I can email him for the photos if you want.

LessinBhutan
Rick Wilson called Cornholio a bitch on twitter. That's, ummm, something?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-31-2019 05:52 PM
Re: I was so much older than, I’m younger than that now.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone (Post 525863)
Rick Wilson called Cornholio a bitch on twitter. That's, ummm, something?
It's a start.

Replaced_Texan 10-31-2019 07:02 PM
Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 525861)
I keep seeing references to this, but have no idea what is going on.
So for a variety of reasons, the Gizmodo group has been moving around from owner to owner for the last few years. In 2016, Univision bought it after Gwaker was taken out with a $120 million invasion of privacy judgment by Hulk Hogan (funded by Peter Thiel)

For whatever reason Univision sold off the Gizmodo Media Group (and The Onion) to a hedge fund out of Boston called Grant Hill Partners earlier this year. Gizmodo Media Group and the Onion were rolled into G/O Media, and included Gizmodo, io9, Jezebel, the Root, Jalopnik, Deadspin, Kotku, the AV Club, the Onion, and some others that I'm not remembering.

Grant Hill Partners hired Jim Spanfeller, whose previous claim to fame was turning Forbes into a clickbait site, to run the show. Being journalists, Deadspin wrote an article on how things were run now.

Oh, and important, the writers unionized a few years back.

In August, the Deadspin Editor Megan Greenwell quit, citing a lot of problems including the disagreement about editorial decisions and "non-sports" posts. At some point in the last few weeks, they killed The Splinter, which was the politics oriented publication.

In the last week or so, all sites across the platform have been featuring really annoying autoplay ads WITH SOUND, to the point that each site posted a "sorry about the ads, we don't have anything to do with them, here's the email address to complain." I'd link to those posts, but they were taken down. The Union, though, helpfully posted the content on Twitter. (The Union disputes that the posts were taken appropriately.)

On Monday, the Daily Beast reported that new management sent another "just stick to sports' memo to the staff at Deadspin.

Going back, Deadspin has, yes, primarily been a sports blog, but it's been a lot more too. There are traditions, like posting about bears on Fridays or delving into observations that the readership would like. Zapruder type analysis of absurd videos. Random shit. Non-sports stuff doesn't dominate, but it is and always has been part of Deadspin. And most importantly, that shit gets good traffic, especially in slow times of the year when the only people who care about the latest Oriel vs. Blue Jays game were probably at the game.

It's developed a pretty good commentariat that has been there for years.
Due to assholes being assholes on Jezebel many years ago, regular commentors are vetted before their posts are allowed through. Random accounts' comments are "greyed" You have to click extra to see them, and mods and admins and other readers have to actively bring those comments to the regular views.

So going back, on Tuesday, in response to the memo, not a single article posted was directly sports related. TONS of comments came in. And on Tuesday afternoon, the interim editor of Deadspin was fired for not sticking to sports.

The comment threads and Twitter erupted. Not a single article was posted after around noon that day.

Yesterday, the comments were turned off across the entire G/O Media landscape, and the Wall Street Journal got to the bottom of the stupid autoplay ads:

Quote:
G/O Media Inc., which publishes former Gawker Media sites including Deadspin and Gizmodo, began running sound-on autoplay ads to boost the impressions it could deliver for Farmers Insurance Group, according to people familiar with the situation.

Editorial staffers pushed back, arguing in Slack messages to company executives and in a public post on the company’s websites that the practice creates a poor site experience that can drive users away. Management later took the post down.

A G/O Media spokesman said the autoplay ads test has been running in front of 6% of its users.

The Farmers deal, which began last month and is worth $1 million, required G/O Media to deliver nearly 43.5 million ad impressions through September 2020, according to internal G/O Media emails reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.

The publisher’s media and ad operations teams believed it was unlikely G/O Media could deliver that many, according to the emails.

After failing to hit ad impression targets within the first few weeks of the campaign, G/O Media decided to start playing videos with the sound on as soon as pages loaded, according to people familiar with the matter. That included stand-alone video ads for Farmers inside article pages as well as preroll ads before editorial videos.
The ads are no longer playing on the site, and as far as I understand it, Farmers has pulled the campaign.

Everyone I've read says that a) Deadspin was a pretty profitable site, b) the engagement numbers (which are helpfully next to every single post on the site) are very good for the "non-sports" stories as they are for the pure sports stories, if not better, and c) this is the stupidest way a company got tanked ever.

So yesterday and today, there have been mass resignations on fucking principle, which in this day and age is a pretty rare thing. I've counted well over a dozen. Some stories have hit the site since Tuesday, but a lot of them were filed before this brohuhaha began. Drew Magery today was a pretty major hit. Diana Moskovitz (click on any of those articles you'll just be amazed at her writing) was the loss that hit me the hardest.

To review: they managed to piss off their writers, their readers, and their advertisers in one fell swoop by killing a product that wasn't at all in any trouble.

Hank Chinaski 10-31-2019 11:23 PM
Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 525865)
So for a variety of reasons, the Gizmodo group has been moving around from owner to owner for the last few years. In 2016, Univision bought it after Gwaker was taken out with a $120 million invasion of privacy judgment by Hulk Hogan (funded by Peter Thiel)

For whatever reason Univision sold off the Gizmodo Media Group (and The Onion) to a hedge fund out of Boston called Grant Hill Partners earlier this year. Gizmodo Media Group and the Onion were rolled into G/O Media, and included Gizmodo, io9, Jezebel, the Root, Jalopnik, Deadspin, Kotku, the AV Club, the Onion, and some others that I'm not remembering.

Grant Hill Partners hired Jim Spanfeller, whose previous claim to fame was turning Forbes into a clickbait site, to run the show. Being journalists, Deadspin wrote an article on how things were run now.

Oh, and important, the writers unionized a few years back.

In August, the Deadspin Editor Megan Greenwell quit, citing a lot of problems including the disagreement about editorial decisions and "non-sports" posts. At some point in the last few weeks, they killed The Splinter, which was the politics oriented publication.

In the last week or so, all sites across the platform have been featuring really annoying autoplay ads WITH SOUND, to the point that each site posted a "sorry about the ads, we don't have anything to do with them, here's the email address to complain." I'd link to those posts, but they were taken down. The Union, though, helpfully posted the content on Twitter. (The Union disputes that the posts were taken appropriately.)

On Monday, the Daily Beast reported that new management sent another "just stick to sports' memo to the staff at Deadspin.

Going back, Deadspin has, yes, primarily been a sports blog, but it's been a lot more too. There are traditions, like posting about bears on Fridays or delving into observations that the readership would like. Zapruder type analysis of absurd videos. Random shit. Non-sports stuff doesn't dominate, but it is and always has been part of Deadspin. And most importantly, that shit gets good traffic, especially in slow times of the year when the only people who care about the latest Oriel vs. Blue Jays game were probably at the game.

It's developed a pretty good commentariat that has been there for years.
Due to assholes being assholes on Jezebel many years ago, regular commentors are vetted before their posts are allowed through. Random accounts' comments are "greyed" You have to click extra to see them, and mods and admins and other readers have to actively bring those comments to the regular views.

So going back, on Tuesday, in response to the memo, not a single article posted was directly sports related. TONS of comments came in. And on Tuesday afternoon, the interim editor of Deadspin was fired for not sticking to sports.

The comment threads and Twitter erupted. Not a single article was posted after around noon that day.

Yesterday, the comments were turned off across the entire G/O Media landscape, and the Wall Street Journal got to the bottom of the stupid autoplay ads:



The ads are no longer playing on the site, and as far as I understand it, Farmers has pulled the campaign.

Everyone I've read says that a) Deadspin was a pretty profitable site, b) the engagement numbers (which are helpfully next to every single post on the site) are very good for the "non-sports" stories as they are for the pure sports stories, if not better, and c) this is the stupidest way a company got tanked ever.

So yesterday and today, there have been mass resignations on fucking principle, which in this day and age is a pretty rare thing. I've counted well over a dozen. Some stories have hit the site since Tuesday, but a lot of them were filed before this brohuhaha began. Drew Magery today was a pretty major hit. Diana Moskovitz (click on any of those articles you'll just be amazed at her writing) was the loss that hit me the hardest.

To review: they managed to piss off their writers, their readers, and their advertisers in one fell swoop by killing a product that wasn't at all in any trouble.
been there, seen that

sebastian_dangerfield 11-01-2019 08:24 AM
Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 525865)
So for a variety of reasons, the Gizmodo group has been moving around from owner to owner for the last few years. In 2016, Univision bought it after Gwaker was taken out with a $120 million invasion of privacy judgment by Hulk Hogan (funded by Peter Thiel)

For whatever reason Univision sold off the Gizmodo Media Group (and The Onion) to a hedge fund out of Boston called Grant Hill Partners earlier this year. Gizmodo Media Group and the Onion were rolled into G/O Media, and included Gizmodo, io9, Jezebel, the Root, Jalopnik, Deadspin, Kotku, the AV Club, the Onion, and some others that I'm not remembering.

Grant Hill Partners hired Jim Spanfeller, whose previous claim to fame was turning Forbes into a clickbait site, to run the show. Being journalists, Deadspin wrote an article on how things were run now.

Oh, and important, the writers unionized a few years back.

In August, the Deadspin Editor Megan Greenwell quit, citing a lot of problems including the disagreement about editorial decisions and "non-sports" posts. At some point in the last few weeks, they killed The Splinter, which was the politics oriented publication.

In the last week or so, all sites across the platform have been featuring really annoying autoplay ads WITH SOUND, to the point that each site posted a "sorry about the ads, we don't have anything to do with them, here's the email address to complain." I'd link to those posts, but they were taken down. The Union, though, helpfully posted the content on Twitter. (The Union disputes that the posts were taken appropriately.)

On Monday, the Daily Beast reported that new management sent another "just stick to sports' memo to the staff at Deadspin.

Going back, Deadspin has, yes, primarily been a sports blog, but it's been a lot more too. There are traditions, like posting about bears on Fridays or delving into observations that the readership would like. Zapruder type analysis of absurd videos. Random shit. Non-sports stuff doesn't dominate, but it is and always has been part of Deadspin. And most importantly, that shit gets good traffic, especially in slow times of the year when the only people who care about the latest Oriel vs. Blue Jays game were probably at the game.

It's developed a pretty good commentariat that has been there for years.
Due to assholes being assholes on Jezebel many years ago, regular commentors are vetted before their posts are allowed through. Random accounts' comments are "greyed" You have to click extra to see them, and mods and admins and other readers have to actively bring those comments to the regular views.

So going back, on Tuesday, in response to the memo, not a single article posted was directly sports related. TONS of comments came in. And on Tuesday afternoon, the interim editor of Deadspin was fired for not sticking to sports.

The comment threads and Twitter erupted. Not a single article was posted after around noon that day.

Yesterday, the comments were turned off across the entire G/O Media landscape, and the Wall Street Journal got to the bottom of the stupid autoplay ads:



The ads are no longer playing on the site, and as far as I understand it, Farmers has pulled the campaign.

Everyone I've read says that a) Deadspin was a pretty profitable site, b) the engagement numbers (which are helpfully next to every single post on the site) are very good for the "non-sports" stories as they are for the pure sports stories, if not better, and c) this is the stupidest way a company got tanked ever.

So yesterday and today, there have been mass resignations on fucking principle, which in this day and age is a pretty rare thing. I've counted well over a dozen. Some stories have hit the site since Tuesday, but a lot of them were filed before this brohuhaha began. Drew Magery today was a pretty major hit. Diana Moskovitz (click on any of those articles you'll just be amazed at her writing) was the loss that hit me the hardest.

To review: they managed to piss off their writers, their readers, and their advertisers in one fell swoop by killing a product that wasn't at all in any trouble.
Supporters of private equity often argue it makes companies leaner and better equipped to focus on their core businesses. In some instances, this can be true.

But as frequently, if not more frequently, particularly with creative companies, it puts bean counters and fungible corporate drones in charge, who ruin the business.

You often see the damage in the form of cost-cutting and thoughtless efforts to create efficiencies by having employees wear numerous new hats while other employees are (somewhat randomly) terminated. Or there's "fun with numbers" employed, in which the company starts booking things in a manner designed to inflate profit and justify borrowing, the funds from which the new owners divert into their own pockets, in an effort to flip the business within 5 years. This was Romney's model at Bain, along with keeping "binders of women," wholesome "job creator" he was...

Deadspin looks like a straight up fuck-up -- larding up a lean property with unqualified c-suite management and then alienating labor in a manner shocking even for PE people.

I heard years ago that the age of the MBA was coming to a close. It seems an agonizingly slow process.

Re Gawker, Thiel is the Asperger's Gatsby of the moment -- hottest dinner party in town.

sebastian_dangerfield 11-01-2019 08:39 AM
Re: On Corporate Democrats (Ouch)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 525849)
I'm not debating with you. I'm sure there are voters like what you describe. You just have an odd fixation on that particular constellation of views, and they shine much brighter in your firmament. Just a coincidence that their views so resemble your own? Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
That's simple: You underestimate or discount them. Much like we all underestimated and discounted the shy Trump voter. (I know Hank. It is noted that you did not.)

I think, relatedly, you also tend to post things that view facts as you want them to be rather than as they are. To discuss what's going to happen in 2020, it has to be looked at as a horse race. To discuss the media, and why people are ignoring it, you have to look at the rare voices like Taibbi, who are explaining why the narratives the media used to be able to turn into consensus are failing. (Because people rightly don't trust our factionalized media.)

I also think you, and I don't mean you alone here, tend to bristle at the suggestion that the cynical or self-interested voter is of the most importance. This, again, is a desire to see a country different than the country we have. The "moderate" R and D are rather similar if you put them in a position where they have to choose between a noxious social agenda and a performing economy with low taxes (Trump) or a noble progressive social agenda and a questionable economy and high taxes (Warren or Bernie). Many if not most will vote in a ruthlessly pragmatic manner. I cited the Biden voter as a cake-and-eat-it sort because that's what he is. I know him. I meet him every day. He's my entire social scene. He's quick to tell you he detests Trump, but is really scared of Warren or Bernie. And if forced to choose between his country and his family’s finances, well...

He's quite real, and he's legion. That he happens to resemble me isn't coincidence. I'm a pretty common animal. You may not like that, but citing facts and stories that carve around that, or stupidly asserting I'm writing shit, doesn't change that. And you know it.

ETA: One other thing I think you discount is the public's interest in this impeachment. I suspect you find Trump's abuse of power odious. A number of people do. But a much larger number expects this sort of thing from politicians. Reagan had Iran/Contra, the Clintons were eternally in some form of mud (often unfairly, but still in the muck), Cheney lied about almost everything. Obama and Bush I were generally honest, but Bush I was labeled a liar for "no new taxes" and Obama was mired with endless right wing attacks (the Lois Lerner IRS investigation, the ACA knocking some people off their health care, as he claimed it wouldn't, the Holder Doctrine) which, fair or not, gave off the impression he was not above "Chicago politics." I don't think people are terribly surprised to find their Presidents make Faustian bargains and engage in shady behavior. I think they think that's just part of how the sausage is made. You might be projecting your views on a broader population that is not comprised of lawyers who hold a reverence for the letter of the law. Most people just want jobs and a future. They don't care about what's going on in Ukraine. They turn off the channel when they hear about Trump. And they turn it off when they hear people complaining about Trump.

This is why Bernie and Warren are getting traction: They talk jobs and the economy. Every R in Congress felt emboldened to vote no on impeachment yesterday. And that'll be nearly repeated in the Senate, regardless of what comes out in the hearings Schiff is planning. So yeah, I like talking about moderates. Because you ignore them at your party's peril.

Tyrone Slothrop 11-01-2019 11:12 AM
Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 525862)
I don’t read it but it sounds like management wanted to keep a sports blog limited to sports?
When Peter Thiel won his libel suit, Deadspin and other Gawker sites were sold to a private equity company, which brought in new management. The people they choose seem to have expertise in clickbait and other trickery to inflate page hit numbers for advertisers, but not in any skills that would help them run a place like Deadspin. They have been running off the people there, intentionally and unintentionally, and things have come to a head this week. Deadspin was never a sports blog limited to sports, so telling the writers to "stick to sports" seemed more about the comfort-level of the new management than a sound business idea.

eta: stp -- RT tells it much better

eata: the politics stuff often was more profitable than the sports

Tyrone Slothrop 11-01-2019 11:31 AM
Re: On Corporate Democrats (Ouch)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 525868)
To discuss what's going to happen in 2020, it has to be looked at as a horse race.
No. That's your preference. For example, here's an awesome article by Olivia Nuzzi about Joe Biden that is not horserace journalism.

Quote:
I also think you, and I don't mean you alone here, tend to bristle at the suggestion that the cynical or self-interested voter is of the most importance.
I have been an antitrust lawyer for a long time -- I have no problem assuming that people act out of self-interest. It's more that I bristle at your cynicism. And you're not cynical about everything, so when you choose to be cynical it's your choice, not a fact of nature.

Quote:
I'm a pretty common animal.
Whether or not it's true -- and I'm sure it's true in some ways, and not in others -- you have a need to keep saying this that I don't share. Which is the point I was making a couple of posts ago. I have my own irritating tics, I'm sure -- one of yours is projection.

Quote:
ETA: One other thing I think you discount is the public's interest in this impeachment.
For a fairly smart guy, you attribute a lot of things to me that I haven't said and don't think. It's a little maddening. I say a lot of stuff here, obviously, and the technology makes it super-easy to just quote me and respond to what I actually have said. Why don't you try that instead? I think what you're trying to say here is the opposite -- that the public is not as interested in impeachment as I think it is. But I have no idea what you're responding to.

sebastian_dangerfield 11-01-2019 12:19 PM
Re: On Corporate Democrats (Ouch)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 525870)
For a fairly smart guy, you attribute a lot of things to me that I haven't said and don't think. It's a little maddening. I say a lot of stuff here, obviously, and the technology makes it super-easy to just quote me and respond to what I actually have said. Why don't you try that instead? I think what you're trying to say here is the opposite -- that the public is not as interested in impeachment as I think it is. But I have no idea what you're responding to.
I started that out with the caveat “I think.” If I thought what I wrote incorrectly, then you are free to disregard the comment or tell me I am wrong, as you have here. That’s fine.

Tyrone Slothrop 11-01-2019 12:28 PM
Re: On Corporate Democrats (Ouch)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 525871)
I started that out with the caveat “I think.” If I thought what I wrote incorrectly, then you are free to disregard the comment or tell me I am wrong, as you have here. That’s fine.
OK. Not sure why you think that. I would imagine it's prompted by something I wrote here, but I'm not sure what.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 11-01-2019 01:24 PM
Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 525865)
To review: they managed to piss off their writers, their readers, and their advertisers in one fell swoop by killing a product that wasn't at all in any trouble.
Hey, if these guys are looking for another company after killing this one, I bet my former law firm would be a good match for them.

And thanks for filling me in. Appreciate it.

Adder 11-01-2019 01:49 PM
Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Relevant to past economic discussions:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EISfC-sX...g&name=900x900
Source: https://twitter.com/ernietedeschi/st...064967680?s=20

Icky Thump 11-01-2019 02:33 PM
Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 525865)

To review: they managed to piss off their writers, their readers, and their advertisers in one fell swoop by killing a product that wasn't at all in any trouble.
Deadspill (typo but I left it) was not something that any twenty-something would look at as anything other than a goof. Some good writers, for sure, but it had a pulse of like 38 and bp of 60/20.

Tyrone Slothrop 11-01-2019 02:51 PM
Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Says here that Deadspin no longer has any editors or writers. So that management team has really done a brilliant job with that asset.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 525875)
Deadspill (typo but I left it) was not something that any twenty-something would look at as anything other than a goof. Some good writers, for sure, but it had a pulse of like 38 and bp of 60/20.
I believe it was profitable, but I wouldn't invest in it now.

Tyrone Slothrop 11-01-2019 03:59 PM
Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
ICYMI (I did): An update on offshoring alarmism.

Icky Thump 11-01-2019 04:07 PM
Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 525876)
Says here that Deadspin no longer has any editors or writers. So that management team has really done a brilliant job with that asset.



I believe it was profitable, but I wouldn't invest in it now.
Sorry, I'd give my credit card number to Bernie Madoff, in jail before I paid a dime to these suckers or their advertisers.

Behold this ode to cluelessness

Adder 11-01-2019 04:37 PM
Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 525877)
Related: Robots are also not taking all of the jobs. If they were, productivity growth would be accelerating, rather than sluggish/declining.

sebastian_dangerfield 11-03-2019 07:40 PM
Whistling down the alley
 
So everybody now knows the most likely identity of the whistleblower. Did they think the identity wouldn’t be leaked?

Or is this some genius rope a dope, and it’s someone entirely different?

Neither side here seems to be terribly competent.

Tyrone Slothrop 11-03-2019 11:47 PM
Re: Whistling down the alley
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 525880)
So everybody now knows the most likely identity of the whistleblower. Did they think the identity wouldn’t be leaked?

Or is this some genius rope a dope, and it’s someone entirely different?

Neither side here seems to be terribly competent.
What?

eta: Waiting for Sebby to explain that McD's is clueless.

sebastian_dangerfield 11-04-2019 09:41 AM
Re: Whistling down the alley
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 525881)
Real Clear Politics outed the whistleblower.

Re McD's, that is a zero tolerance policy. I don't see anything in the story that suggests an investigation was undertaken to determine if it was consensual or coercive.

A policy that investigates and determines if there was impropriety is totally appropriate and mature approach. A policy that bars such relationships and applies zero tolerance penalties, while totally within the company's rights to apply, and smart from a "lawyer's risk management" perspective, is disheartening. Infantilizing.

sebastian_dangerfield 11-04-2019 09:50 AM
Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 525879)
Related: Robots are also not taking all of the jobs. If they were, productivity growth would be accelerating, rather than sluggish/declining.
I'm not going to dig into how that argument may be dismantled. We can start with attacks on how productivity is calculated, assess whether you're missing the most important measure (wage stagnation), look into the distribution across various industries to determine if a few outliers aren't skewing the #s, or get into whether we're not far along enough in the process to assess the impact.

I'm not going to google the 50 or 60 different studies one can locate knocking the pilings out of that Brookings study. We both know they're there, and we both know, no matter what I cite, you're married to the notion that tech will create as much of not more than it eliminates. We can agree to disagree on that.

I also don't want to have the dumb argument where I say, "But you're discussing job creation over decades. What about all the people eliminated in the interim?" (I do agree that 100 years from now, we'll either have: (1) a ton of new jobs created by tech; (2) Keynes' leisure society with a 15 hr work week; or, (3) a "useless" class of people kept alive by transfer payments.) That's the moronic back and forth where you tell me education and retraining will address the problem and I remind you there is no retraining for a middle aged worker of low to moderate skill rendered obsolete by tech. It's the most tedious of discussions.

sebastian_dangerfield 11-04-2019 10:02 AM
Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
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Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 525878)
Sorry, I'd give my credit card number to Bernie Madoff, in jail before I paid a dime to these suckers or their advertisers.

Behold this ode to cluelessness
That is one of the worst lists I have ever read.

Steely Fucking Dan at #4?

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding state the name of the very worst: for it is the name of a band; and its name is Steely Dan.

"My Old School" and "Black Friday" are tolerable. The rest of their catalog is utter shit. How people on that much blow could create songs so listless, so nearly elevator music, is beyond me.

That band was so awful it invited Michael McDonald, whose voice plays endlessly in three of Dante's rings of hell, to join the band.

If you gave me a choice of doing a year in solitary or a year listening to "Peg," or "Dirty Work," I'd take solitary.

I'm beginning to think Deadspin should have stuck to sports.

Tyrone Slothrop 11-04-2019 11:17 AM
Re: Whistling down the alley
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 525882)
Real Clear Politics outed the whistleblower.
Didn't know that, but now that I do I still don't understand what you were trying to say.

Quote:
Re McD's, that is a zero tolerance policy. I don't see anything in the story that suggests an investigation was undertaken to determine if it was consensual or coercive.
If you only read the first five sentences of that article, then you missed what was in the sixth sentence.

Is there not some inescapable element of coercion when one person in a relationship can have a person fired (or promoted, or given a raise, or reassigned to a job in Poland)? Is it not possible for an adult to give consent to something coercive?

Adder 11-04-2019 11:22 AM
Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 525883)
I'm not going to dig into how that argument may be dismantled. We can start with attacks on how productivity is calculated, assess whether you're missing the most important measure (wage stagnation), look into the distribution across various industries to determine if a few outliers aren't skewing the #s, or get into whether we're not far along enough in the process to assess the impact.

I'm not going to google the 50 or 60 different studies one can locate knocking the pilings out of that Brookings study. We both know they're there, and we both know, no matter what I cite, you're married to the notion that tech will create as much of not more than it eliminates. We can agree to disagree on that.
One of us just got done saying he's not even going to bother engaging with actual evidence, so...

Tyrone Slothrop 11-04-2019 11:23 AM
Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 525883)
I'm not going to dig into how that argument may be dismantled. We can start with attacks on how productivity is calculated, assess whether you're missing the most important measure (wage stagnation), look into the distribution across various industries to determine if a few outliers aren't skewing the #s, or get into whether we're not far along enough in the process to assess the impact.

I'm not going to google the 50 or 60 different studies one can locate knocking the pilings out of that Brookings study. We both know they're there, and we both know, no matter what I cite, you're married to the notion that tech will create as much of not more than it eliminates. We can agree to disagree on that.

I also don't want to have the dumb argument where I say, "But you're discussing job creation over decades. What about all the people eliminated in the interim?" (I do agree that 100 years from now, we'll either have: (1) a ton of new jobs created by tech; (2) Keynes' leisure society with a 15 hr work week; or, (3) a "useless" class of people kept alive by transfer payments.) That's the moronic back and forth where you tell me education and retraining will address the problem and I remind you there is no retraining for a middle aged worker of low to moderate skill rendered obsolete by tech. It's the most tedious of discussions.
Adder was responding to an article I posted about a study released in late September. Did you read either the article or the study? It's not from Brookings.

Adder 11-04-2019 11:24 AM
Re: Whistling down the alley
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 525885)
Didn't know that, but now that I do I still don't understand what you were trying to say.
He's saying the Dems are incompetent because right wingers claim to have ID'd the whistleblower. See? Both sides.

Tyrone Slothrop 11-04-2019 12:36 PM
Re: Whistling down the alley
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 525888)
He's saying the Dems are incompetent because right wingers claim to have ID'd the whistleblower. See? Both sides.
He can't be saying that. That's silly.

LessinSF 11-04-2019 12:43 PM
Calling DebtSlave
 
Stolen from Wonk on Facebook - https://thewritelife.com/is-the-oxfo...7AOL0.facebook

LessinNepal (again)

Pretty Little Flower 11-04-2019 12:56 PM
Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 525884)
I'm beginning to think Deadspin should have stuck to sports.
https://deadspin.com/the-haters-guid...atalog-5959212

sebastian_dangerfield 11-04-2019 02:02 PM
Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 525891)
Pro tip: You get a dozen hand dusted marshmallows for free as part of the Gingerbread Estate. They’re the cushions for the breakfast nook.

(I miss buying nitrous cartridges at WS. As a young associate, I’d get off the train, walk over to WS, and pick up a box. The prim and proper old biddies who staffed the place never thought to wonder why a bright eyed young professional, often in a suit, made so much whipped cream in his free time.)

sebastian_dangerfield 11-04-2019 02:07 PM
Re: Whistling down the alley
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 525888)
He's saying the Dems are incompetent because right wingers claim to have ID'd the whistleblower. See? Both sides.
I’m saying I don’t know what the hell is going on on either side. The WB is some CIA person with ties to Brennan. The WH apparently allowed this person to stay close enough to the call despite having previously suspected the person of leaking to sabotage other Trump foreign policy initiatives. That’s a monumental fuckup.

But now Schiff is trying to hide the WB, like the world doesn’t know the name already. Schiff should instead be acknowledging the ID and trying to counter the narrative being built about the WB.

If this thing looks too much like a hit job coordinated by Schiff, that’s even further reason for Rs to vote for acquittal. Schiff owns his WB. Time to defend that WB.

Tyrone Slothrop 11-04-2019 02:22 PM
Re: Whistling down the alley
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 525893)
But now Schiff is trying to hide the WB, like the world doesn’t know the name already. Schiff should instead be acknowledging the ID and trying to counter the narrative being built about the WB.

If this thing looks too much like a hit job coordinated by Schiff, that’s even further reason for Rs to vote for acquittal. Schiff owns his WB. Time to defend that WB.
You spend too much time watching FOX, or something.


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