LawTalkers - Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same

I'm still not sure he did anything wrong. Mueller's letter is unclear as he has not fleshed out what he means by confusion.

I think Mueller's letter is intentionally neutral. Confused and misled are two very different things. I'd like to see Mueller's summary. That should resolve things.

Do you really believe any of this, or is it just your contrarian pose here? If you were talking to a bunch of conservatives and they told you how awesome Barr is, wouldn't you want to say, yeah, didn't he kinda shit his credibility by misrepresenting what Mueller said?

Adder

05-01-2019 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 522867)

So much this.

Yup. Warren is the one setting the agenda and driving party policy. Let's just vote for her.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

05-01-2019 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 522867)

So much this.

Kamala Harris just taught a Master Class in how to question a witness in the Senate. The other Dems were pretty good as well. I can't wait to see debates.

Tyrone Slothrop

05-01-2019 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 522869)

Yup. Warren is the one setting the agenda and driving party policy. Let's just vote for her.

Setting the agenda and driving policy is a great thing for a Senator to do, but it's not the most important thing for a President.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

05-01-2019 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 522871)

Setting the agenda and driving policy is a great thing for a Senator to do, but it's not the most important thing for a President.

Still, it's great seeing candidates run on their strengths rather than attacking others.

I've said from the beginning not to underestimate Warren. I have a number of disagreements with almost every plan she comes up with, as well as places I agree, but I'm really glad for the focus on substance.

Tyrone Slothrop

05-01-2019 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 522872)

I love what she's doing, even when I don't agree. If another candidate turn out to run better, her work sets the agenda nonetheless, and that is valuable.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

05-01-2019 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 522873)

I love what she's doing, even when I don't agree. If another candidate turn out to run better, her work sets the agenda nonetheless, and that is valuable.

We're likely just vigorously agreeing, but I think it does more than set the agenda. It says we're going to focus on substance and policy, and on the real world and the problems it presents. I can't think of anyone more focused on reality right now.

Tyrone Slothrop

05-01-2019 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 522874)

Hillary was very focused on the real world and the problems it presents, and she was unable to sell her substance and policy in a way that motivated her supporters to turn out or the undecided to vote for her. Warren's focus on substance and policy is awesome for governing, but you don't get to govern unless you are good at persuading people to support you.

Tyrone Slothrop

05-01-2019 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 522868)

BTW, here is the reality the rest of us aren't ignoring:

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Mr. Barr ... hid Mr. Mueller’s complaints, which were delivered to him in writing more than a month ago, even when Congress asked in a previous hearing about complaints by members of the special counsel's team. And the four-page letter that Mr. Barr issued in March and supposedly described the Mueller report omitted the two key factors driving the special counsel’s decision (which were hard to miss, as they were on the first two pages of the report’s volume about obstruction): First, that he could not indict a sitting president, so it would be unfair to accuse Mr. Trump of crimes even if he were guilty as sin; and second, Mr. Mueller could and would clear a sitting president, but he did not believe the facts cleared the president.

Neal Katyal in the NYT

Hank Chinaski

05-01-2019 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 522876)

BTW, here is the reality the rest of us aren't ignoring:

Neal Katyal in the NYT

Your new sig line doesn’t fit you, instead it simply apes the theme I tried to set through the W years. Your conceit is you are above us- own it, even in all its absurdity.

sebastian_dangerfield

05-01-2019 09:53 PM

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BTW, here is the reality the rest of us aren't ignoring:

Who is ignoring this? See below.

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Yup. He did that.

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And the four-page letter that Mr. Barr issued in March and supposedly described the Mueller report omitted the two key factors driving the special counsel’s decision (which were hard to miss, as they were on the first two pages of the report’s volume about obstruction): First, that he could not indict a sitting president, so it would be unfair to accuse Mr. Trump of crimes even if he were guilty as sin; and second, Mr. Mueller could and would clear a sitting president, but he did not believe the facts cleared the president.

First, we knew already that Mueller would not indict a sitting President. Second, Barr's letter said exactly what this reporter has written. Barr said Mueller could clear a sitting President, but could not do so here. The only difference was Mueller said he could exonerate Trump, rather than clear him. Perhaps this reporter should consult a Thesaurus?

Sorry, but this one-two punch is old news. The only thing it highlights is the low bar to working as a reporter these days.

sebastian_dangerfield

05-01-2019 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 522872)

We agree on Warren. (Which disturbs me a bit, as I fear the excesses may now have truly rotted my brain.) She's forgotten more about bankruptcy and consumer lending than half of Congress will ever know. I disagree with her on several things, but one must respect Warren. She has a grasp of finance and banking most of the rest of the people in the Democratic Candidate Clown Car couldn't hope to even approach.

sebastian_dangerfield

05-01-2019 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 522868)

I cornered some conservatives in DC about Barr being a half hack last week. They know it.

Adder

05-02-2019 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 522871)

Setting the agenda and driving policy is a great thing for a Senator to do, but it's not the most important thing for a President.

I don't think I could disagree more strongly. It's exactly what a President should be doing.

I'll grant, however, that it is not the necessarily the most important thing for a presidential candidate to do. At the moment, though, it is a way for her to get earned media she badly needs, it is a lane that works for her and she's actually really good at making policy personal when she gets a chance to talk about it. I think she can use policy as a means to connect with people, which is what matters most.

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