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Hank Chinaski 03-31-2016 10:04 AM
Re: As the choppers hover outside my window
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 499965)
Wonk
anyone in touch?

edit- NVM he is posting constantly on FB

ThurgreedMarshall 03-31-2016 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 499965)
Jesse personally ended up very disappointing, not just with the hymietown language
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNz5XnvZHhk

TM

taxwonk 03-31-2016 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 499965)
Of course it was a protest. Absolutely. I was involved in the campaign in Chicago and that time and there was absolutely no one who actually thought Jesse might get elected. It was all about having some real delegates at the Convention.

But it ended up going beyond that because it was the first time a black candidate gathered substantial support across racial lines in a national election, even if it was just in the primary process and really just in a handful of states, including Vermont, before the campaign's implosion. That was huge and had a big role in many minority candidates being viewed as viable in races at all levels going forward. From that point on, there was a clear data point you could point to when someone said "but will whites vote for a black candidate".

Jesse personally ended up very disappointing, not just with the hymietown language but in lots of other ways, though there is an odd way that helped, because the discussion about whether or not you could get support for black candidate X became "even Jesse Jackson could get substantial white support...". We gotta get Wonk on here for any discussion of Jesse in Chicago. The impact is big and complicated, but I think on the whole very positive.
There is a little vignette in Boss, Mike Royko's masterful look at Richard M. Daley, in which Royko writes of a Black preacher, new to Chicago from Greenville, Mississippi I believe, who moved into Bridgeport and was ultimately burned out of the neighborhood (Daley's neighborhood and historic Irish enclave). The minister essentially declared war on Daley, the machine, and Chicago's white power structure from that day forward. The young preacher was a fellow named Jesse Jackson.

Jesse went on to do some great things for Chicago and for racial justice in general. But that first welcome to Chicago was what informed his whole political zeitgeist forever after.

taxwonk 03-31-2016 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 499952)
Well, Bernie was active with civil rights in the 60s, so our interests are automatically aligned on every. single. issue. to the end of time. And no matter what Hillary's positions are currently, the fact that she supported Goldwater over 50 years ago means she is a secret racist, disingenuous, shifty, right-leaning faux democrat.

I will say this, though: It's been a tough row to hoe getting over her bullshit tactics during the primary in '08. I understand that she probably puts this kind of racial jiggery pokery piggledly pookery in the same bucket as all other political gamesmanship, but I don't view it that way. That shit really pissed me off.

http://theweek.com/articles/567774/h...-2008-campaign

TM
Hilary's biggest problem, and the reason I would vote for almost anyone but Trump, Cruz, or Paul Ryan over her, is that Wall Street's hand is so far up her ass she seems to choke on its fingers any time she talks financial regulation or reform.

I strongly suspect I will wind up writing in Bernie this year. I'd rather throw away my vote on a futile protest than cast it in favor of Goldman Sachs.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 03-31-2016 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 499971)
Hilary's biggest problem, and the reason I would vote for almost anyone but Trump, Cruz, or Paul Ryan over her, is that Wall Street's hand is so far up her ass she seems to choke on its fingers any time she talks financial regulation or reform.

I strongly suspect I will wind up writing in Bernie this year. I'd rather throw away my vote on a futile protest than cast it in favor of Goldman Sachs.
You know I love you dearly, but you do realize that when Bernie rails about how she got $15 million from Wall Street last quarter that more than half of that was from George Soros alone, not generally known as a Wall Street/Goldman Sachs kind of guy. If you do fall for the "contribution determinist" position, I think the guy up her ass is George, and, frankly, that's a fine place for him.

Of course, if Bernie thinks Hillary will just do whatever her donors want her to do, then he ought to go out and raise funds for her and downballot dems if he doesn't win this one, and make them beholden to all his holier than thouers.

Hank Chinaski 03-31-2016 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 499973)
if he doesn't win this one,
as in "he has another run in 2020, or 24?"

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 03-31-2016 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 499974)
as in "he has another run in 2020, or 24?"
look, I was being polite in not saying, when he loses this one.

I assume he may care about more than just his own election, but maybe that's wrong so there's no point in helping other dems if/ when he loses.

ThurgreedMarshall 03-31-2016 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 499971)
Hilary's biggest problem, and the reason I would vote for almost anyone but Trump, Cruz, or Paul Ryan over her, is that Wall Street's hand is so far up her ass she seems to choke on its fingers any time she talks financial regulation or reform.

I strongly suspect I will wind up writing in Bernie this year. I'd rather throw away my vote on a futile protest than cast it in favor of Goldman Sachs.
Brilliant.

TM

Sidd Finch 03-31-2016 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 499968)
anyone in touch?

edit- NVM he is posting constantly on FB
Give it a few days, he'll catch up.

Sidd Finch 03-31-2016 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 499971)
I strongly suspect I will wind up writing in Bernie this year. I'd rather throw away my vote on a futile protest than cast it in favor of Goldman Sachs.

This shit, I cannot stand. Did you learn nothing from Nader?

Oliver_Wendell_Ramone 03-31-2016 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 499978)
This shit, I cannot stand. Did you learn nothing from Nader?
I don't know about IL, but you and I can safely make voting for president an act of self expression. There is no way Oregon's and California's electoral votes aren't going for the dem candidate, regardless of who we individually vote for. Assuming she's the nominee, I'll likely vote Hillary anyway. But my vote literally Does. Not. Matter., and I'd have no problem voting Green, or writing in Bernie, or whatever.

SEC_Chick 03-31-2016 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone (Post 499979)
I don't know about IL, but you and I can safely make voting for president an act of self expression. There is no way Oregon's and California's electoral votes aren't going for the dem candidate, regardless of who we individually vote for. Assuming she's the nominee, I'll likely vote Hillary anyway. But my vote literally Does. Not. Matter., and I'd have no problem voting Green, or writing in Bernie, or whatever.
Heck, I voted for Nader once.

I was a Texan voting in a GWB election and was hoping to see the Greens break the % for federal campaign matching funds. I was pretty sure that Texas would be going red, in any case.

Hank Chinaski 03-31-2016 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone (Post 499979)
I don't know about IL, but you and I can safely make voting for president an act of self expression. There is no way Oregon's and California's electoral votes aren't going for the dem candidate, regardless of who we individually vote for. Assuming she's the nominee, I'll likely vote Hillary anyway. But my vote literally Does. Not. Matter., and I'd have no problem voting Green, or writing in Bernie, or whatever.
Wonk is either voting in a solid red* or a solid blue state.

if it is Trump, I'm not sure there will be such a thing.

Adder 03-31-2016 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone (Post 499979)
I don't know about IL
Not sure he's there anymore.

taxwonk 03-31-2016 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 499973)
You know I love you dearly, but you do realize that when Bernie rails about how she got $15 million from Wall Street last quarter that more than half of that was from George Soros alone, not generally known as a Wall Street/Goldman Sachs kind of guy. If you do fall for the "contribution determinist" position, I think the guy up her ass is George, and, frankly, that's a fine place for him.

Of course, if Bernie thinks Hillary will just do whatever her donors want her to do, then he ought to go out and raise funds for her and downballot dems if he doesn't win this one, and make them beholden to all his holier than thouers.
I don't look at things on a quarterly basis. I'm not a hedge fund manager. I look at the course of her career, from the good old days when Rahm was twisting arms for Bill on to today. Her vote for GLB is sort of a watermark for her career and I think that particular piece of legislation has done more harm to the American people than any other act in memory, with the possible exceptions of the PATRIOT Act or the AUMF, a/k/a repeal of the 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendments.

Sidd Finch 03-31-2016 12:47 PM
Re: As the choppers hover outside my window
 
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Originally Posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone (Post 499979)
I don't know about IL, but you and I can safely make voting for president an act of self expression. There is no way Oregon's and California's electoral votes aren't going for the dem candidate, regardless of who we individually vote for. Assuming she's the nominee, I'll likely vote Hillary anyway. But my vote literally Does. Not. Matter., and I'd have no problem voting Green, or writing in Bernie, or whatever.
We may be in an election like no other this year, where no one really knows if many states are reliably red or blue. But beyond that, the more people that talk about "protest votes," who say that voting for Clinton is "voting for Goldman Sachs," who assert that "both parties are exactly the same," the more that view is legitimized and the more people act on that view.

taxwonk 03-31-2016 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 499978)
This shit, I cannot stand. Did you learn nothing from Nader?
On a macro level, while the harm she would cause is different, I don't know that it's a lot less than what Trump or Cruz would do. Either way, you're looking at a wholesale sellout of the poor and the working class in favor of moneyed interests.

taxwonk 03-31-2016 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone (Post 499979)
I don't know about IL, but you and I can safely make voting for president an act of self expression. There is no way Oregon's and California's electoral votes aren't going for the dem candidate, regardless of who we individually vote for. Assuming she's the nominee, I'll likely vote Hillary anyway. But my vote literally Does. Not. Matter., and I'd have no problem voting Green, or writing in Bernie, or whatever.
I live in Georgia now. My vote ain't gonna count for spit in a teeming sea of red.

taxwonk 03-31-2016 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by sidd finch (Post 499984)
we may be in an election like no other this year, where no one really knows if many states are reliably red or blue. But beyond that, the more people that talk about "protest votes," who say that voting for clinton is "voting for goldman sachs," who assert that "both parties are exactly the same," the more that view is legitimized and the more people act on that view.
Mine wouldn't be a protest vote. It will be a vote for the candidate best suited for the job. A protest vote would be me writing in Triumph the insult comic dog, who would still be better than Trump or Cruz.

Adder 03-31-2016 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 499983)
Her vote for GLB
?? She was first lady then.

Do you mean the 2001 bankruptcy bill that was never enacted?

taxwonk 03-31-2016 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 499988)
?? She was first lady then.

Do you mean the 2001 bankruptcy bill that was never enacted?
I didn't mean a literal vote. I was referring to her support of it.

ThurgreedMarshall 03-31-2016 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 499985)
On a macro level, while the harm she would cause is different, I don't know that it's a lot less than what Trump or Cruz would do. Either way, you're looking at a wholesale sellout of the poor and the working class in favor of moneyed interests.
This is just absolutely, blatantly wrong. Every single word of what you just wrote.

TM

Sidd Finch 03-31-2016 01:15 PM
Re: As the choppers hover outside my window
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 499987)
Mine wouldn't be a protest vote. It will be a vote for the candidate best suited for the job. A protest vote would be me writing in Triumph the insult comic dog, who would still be better than Trump or Cruz.
A write-in is a protest vote. End of story.

Sidd Finch 03-31-2016 01:17 PM
Re: As the choppers hover outside my window
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 499985)
On a macro level, while the harm she would cause is different, I don't know that it's a lot less than what Trump or Cruz would do. Either way, you're looking at a wholesale sellout of the poor and the working class in favor of moneyed interests.


If you actually believe this, you have completely lost your mind. I suspect that you have not lost your mind.

You are spouting the same sort of shit that Naderites spouted in 2000, and anyone who would claim that the GWB administration did nothing different or more damaging than a Gore administration would have done has buried his head so deeply in his ass that he can lick his own stomach.

taxwonk 03-31-2016 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 499990)
This is just absolutely, blatantly wrong. Every single word of what you just wrote.

TM
Every time I look at her platform, for every good thing she supports, I see another corporate giveaway or backpedal on the environment. Saying she would be as bad was hyperbole, I'll cop to that. But I see as much not to like about her as I see things I like.

Hank Chinaski 03-31-2016 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 499993)
Every time I look at her platform, for every good thing she supports, I see another corporate giveaway or backpedal on the environment. Saying she would be as bad was hyperbole, I'll cop to that. But I see as much not to like about her as I see things I like.
that just means you are thinking. other than second term elections twice I have NEVER voted for someone. 7 times voting against someone.

Adder 03-31-2016 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 499993)
Every time I look at her platform, for every good thing she supports, I see another corporate giveaway or backpedal on the environment. Saying she would be as bad was hyperbole, I'll cop to that. But I see as much not to like about her as I see things I like.
Talk is cheap, obviously, but this stuff doesn't sound like that.

Sidd Finch 03-31-2016 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 499993)
Every time I look at her platform, for every good thing she supports, I see another corporate giveaway or backpedal on the environment. Saying she would be as bad was hyperbole, I'll cop to that. But I see as much not to like about her as I see things I like.
So, in your view, she's at worst neutral.

Compare that to Trump or Cruz. Please pay particular attention to the 2-3 SCOTUS vacancies that the next President will likely fill, and bear in mind that the 3 oldest justices are Ginsburg, Kennedy, and Breyer. Who would you rather nominate the replacement for Ginsburg? (Not to mention the seat that is currently empty.)


"Writing in the best person for the job" is a protest vote -- you are protesting the fact that the so-called best person is not actually in the race. An election is about choosing the better option.

Sidd Finch 03-31-2016 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 499993)
Every time I look at her platform, for every good thing she supports, I see another corporate giveaway or backpedal on the environment.
I just noticed those last few words.


Yeah, President Clinton would be every bit as bad as putting a radical climate-change denier in the White House. Especially if the Republicans continue to control Congress. I mean, there is just no chance whatsoever that Trump or Cruz would roll back environmental laws. They'd probably be too busy repealing Obamacare and criminalizing abortion.


How does your stomach taste these days?

Sidd Finch 03-31-2016 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 499994)
that just means you are thinking. other than second term elections twice I have NEVER voted for someone. 7 times voting against someone.
Dear God, I am agreeing with Hank.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 03-31-2016 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 499993)
Every time I look at her platform, for every good thing she supports, I see another corporate giveaway or backpedal on the environment. Saying she would be as bad was hyperbole, I'll cop to that. But I see as much not to like about her as I see things I like.
Start focusing on the things you like, you'll be happier in the long run.

I just wish I could do this with all of them, I'd never have to think about Trump or Cruz again.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 03-31-2016 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 499993)
Every time I look at her platform, for every good thing she supports, I see another corporate giveaway or backpedal on the environment. Saying she would be as bad was hyperbole, I'll cop to that. But I see as much not to like about her as I see things I like.
And while we're talking about corporate give-aways, think she could give us some slack on the inversion rules if it means more investment coming in to US operations?

ThurgreedMarshall 03-31-2016 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 499998)
Dear God, I am agreeing with Hank.
My first opportunity to vote was for Clinton, which I did twice. I voted against Bush twice, but I didn't hold my nose voting for Gore or Kerry (who were both just strategically dumb candidates). Obviously I voted for Obama twice.

This election is weird. My distaste for every Republican candidate is so strong that it's hard for me to say I'm not voting against them. But I actually like Bernie and Hillary, warts and all.

TM

SEC_Chick 03-31-2016 02:42 PM
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I have always been a bit of a Hamiltonian, and I thought this piece on 1800 and the #NeverBurr movement was interesting, given the current circumstances:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/what-w...rticle/2001508

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 03-31-2016 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500001)
This election is weird. My distaste for every Republican candidate is so strong that it's hard for me to say I'm not voting against them. But I actually like Bernie and Hillary, warts and all.

TM
Completely agree.

Sidd Finch 03-31-2016 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 500002)
I have always been a bit of a Hamiltonian, and I thought this piece on 1800 and the #NeverBurr movement was interesting, given the current circumstances:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/what-w...rticle/2001508
Interesting, but I cannot read about Aaron Burr without that first "Got Milk" commercial coming to mind.

SEC_Chick 03-31-2016 05:12 PM
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I know that I am the only one here closely following the details of the GOP primary antics, so here are today's developments.

1. Ted Cruz is trying to keep Kasich off the ballot in Montana. It appears the Kasich campaign may have screwed up paperwork in a third state. This is good for Cruz because Montana is a mix of moderates and libertarians who vote L, and no polling in the last year to indicate what is going on.

2. Trump's lack of thought before shooting off his mouth and lack of competent campaign staff is coming back to bite him. It seems the S. Carolina GOP is not pleased with his reneging on the pledge to support the GOP nominee at the CNN Town Hall. Given that S. Carolina already has some unfriendly structural issues for Trump (delegates only bound on first ballot and had to have attended the 2015 state convention), there is now a possibility that he may be subject to a challenge once the delegates are elected, releasing them on the first ballot and making them free agents (and generally unlikely to vote Trump).

http://time.com/4278295/donald-trump...ina-delegates/

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 03-31-2016 05:15 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 500010)
I know that I am the only one here closely following the details of the GOP primary antics, so here are today's developments.

1. Ted Cruz is trying to keep Kasich off the ballot in Montana. It appears the Kasich campaign may have screwed up paperwork in a third state. This is good for Cruz because Montana is a mix of moderates and libertarians who vote L, and no polling in the last year to indicate what is going on.

2. Trump's lack of thought before shooting off his mouth and lack of competent campaign staff is coming back to bite him. It seems the S. Carolina GOP is not pleased with his reneging on the pledge to support the GOP nominee at the CNN Town Hall. Given that S. Carolina already has some unfriendly structural issues for Trump (delegates only bound on first ballot and had to have attended the 2015 state convention), there is now a possibility that he may be subject to a challenge once the delegates are elected, releasing them on the first ballot and making them free agents (and generally unlikely to vote Trump).

http://time.com/4278295/donald-trump...ina-delegates/
Has Zimbabwe offered to send election monitors to assure a fair election yet?

ThurgreedMarshall 03-31-2016 05:18 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 500010)
I know that I am the only one here closely following the details of the GOP primary antics, so here are today's developments.

1. Ted Cruz is trying to keep Kasich off the ballot in Montana. It appears the Kasich campaign may have screwed up paperwork in a third state. This is good for Cruz because Montana is a mix of moderates and libertarians who vote L, and no polling in the last year to indicate what is going on.

2. Trump's lack of thought before shooting off his mouth and lack of competent campaign staff is coming back to bite him. It seems the S. Carolina GOP is not pleased with his reneging on the pledge to support the GOP nominee at the CNN Town Hall. Given that S. Carolina already has some unfriendly structural issues for Trump (delegates only bound on first ballot and had to have attended the 2015 state convention), there is now a possibility that he may be subject to a challenge once the delegates are elected, releasing them on the first ballot and making them free agents (and generally unlikely to vote Trump).

http://time.com/4278295/donald-trump...ina-delegates/
Honest question: Do you think that if Trump screws up his lead and falls to Cruz or Cruz wins a contested/broken/open (or whatever) convention, Cruz wins the general? I know you like the guy, but you don't really think this is possible, do you? I mean, besides the fact that the guy is unelectable outside of tea party Texas (or the other backwards red states), Trump supporters will be absolutely ballistic.

TM

SEC_Chick 03-31-2016 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500013)
Honest question: Do you think that if Trump screws up his lead and falls to Cruz or Cruz wins a contested/broken/open (or whatever) convention, Cruz wins the general? I know you like the guy, but you don't really think this is possible, do you? I mean, besides the fact that the guy is unelectable outside of tea party Texas (or the other backwards red states), Trump supporters will be absolutely ballistic.

TM
Trump would lose to Hillary, and badly. He's down in head-to-head polling by as much as 11 points and the most favorable to him I have found has him down 7. Cruz was tied with or leading Hillary until late February when Trump and Carson went on their Cruz is a Liar push. Now Cruz is only down to Hillary by 3-4% head-to-head. I think that time will bring him back up a bit and they may be pretty close in another month or 2.

I don't think that Hillary will receive anywhere near the turnout that Obama did. I think that While Hillary's voters would pull the lever for Bernie, I am not certain his youthful followers would be as willing to come out for her in such numbers. Interestingly enough, a recent poll had Cruz over Hillary by 14 points with voters under 35, whereas she killed in younger voters against Trump by over 20 points. I think that Hillary loses some support if the Never Trumpers have an alternative.

I concede the odds only have Rs winning the presidency at about a 25% chance now. The real tossup is the crazy stuff that can happen. Riots in Cleveland. How many ballots and how the nominee is picked. Rule changes intended to disadvantage someone. Kasich picking the president ( http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...esident-213645).

What really, really, pisses me off about Kasich is that no matter how much he says he's not trying to be a spoiler, literally the only chance he has is if Trump doesn't come to the convention with a majority. So what is Kasich doing in Wisconsin? Attacking Cruz. Seriously. He is inexplicably intentionally sabotaging his only chance at his stated goal [unless his real goal is to be Trump's VP]. It would seem more rational to put the ad $$ towards attacking Trump, no? [All speculative as Kasich has no chance on being on the ballot as he has no prayer of winning a majority of delegates from 8 states (or 6 under the pre-Romney rules), and that to be on a subsequent ballot, you have to be on the first ballot, but whatever, Kasich has demonstrated he has no concern for rules.]


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