Where's the cutting edge science being done?
 

Even non-stupid people make mistakes.

And, I think jar-jar is a reptile. I'm just saying.

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What's the matter? Can't get any U.S. citizens willing to muck your stalls?

Where's the cutting edge science being done?
 

There's also the Star Wars Holiday Special, and calling it a "mistake"is unfair to all other mistakes. His explanation:

"George Lucas, original concept
(from interview with Maxim magazine, May 2002)
MAXIM: Any plans for a Special Edition of the Holiday Special?

George: [hangs head] Right. That's one of those things that happened, and I just have to live with it."

http://www.starwarsholidayspecial.com/comments.htm

Doesn't sound so intelligent to me.

And mice are mammals, but Hank's the only one around here playing Flowers for Algernon.

The final word on immigration.....
 

Yeah, you're not obsessed with me.

The final word on immigration.....
 

are the two black belts in different disciplines or just different dojos?

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I can't believe that no one freaked out over this post. Are there not any Atheists or Agnostics on this board?

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Personally, I was busy calculating how much Frist2008.com dropped in value in the last two hours.

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Agreed. He got rolled.

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He may have gotten rolled but I don't see how that effects his chances in 2008. Most voters will have completely forgot about this by 2008 (Even if they noticed in the first place). In addition, this is not the sort of event that a voter or a donor will consider when deciding who to vote for.

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Then why did Frist care so much about it? You're probably right, but he didn't deliver for the christian right. Will they deliver (the $$$) for him?

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The compromise was the best thing for the country. fuck him.

plus he wasn't a real prez candidate anyway. You can't openly kill cats and get any women's votes.

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He put a bunch of moderate Republicans in a situation they really didn't want to be in, so they found a better way out.

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Still got rolled. Should have thought ahead. Trent (who I hated) would never have been in that position.

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If you're caught trying to play cards you don't have, is that getting "rolled"? You're right that he should have thought ahead. I don't think he ever had the votes, and was counting on ratcheting up the heat to bring the moderates over.

Frist is the victim of unrealistic expectations on his party's part, but he's also a crappy leader.

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Not only did he not have the cards, but they dealt a new hand and didn't deal him in. This was a big fuck you by the rank and file to the leader.

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Only after he asked for it. The Senate is not a place where the leader gets to tell the Senators when to jump and how high.

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I think this analogy is stretching too far at this point. The hand was dealt in the 2004 election (well, and 2002 and 2000). The Senate is what it is. Frist proceeded forward figuring he had enough votes, when in fact he didn't, or didn't have enough secure votes. He was two short, in the end.

If you want to make a poker analogy, both he and Reid has weak hands, but enough to think they could win with. They both kept raising the stakes, figuring the bluff would make the other side fold, and they could take the pot. In the end, Frist went all in, Reid called, and it turned out to be a push.

The bigger question, and I think the answer is "no" , is if this centrist coalition can hold beyond filibusters. If not, then it's back to business as usual in the senate, with not much accomplished, other than stuff the majority can ram through. But, if the centrists are able to maintain some coalition for other matters as well, this could mark the beginning of a fairly significant power shift, and, if so, Bush could be screwed for the next 3 years.

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Frist is just showing the tensions within his party; there is increasing disenchantment with the far right among the Blue State Republicans, yet the far right does not take kindly to those who fail to do its bidding. Anyone looking to prolong the agony of the Bush coalition will need to whip the right into their usual rabid frenzy, and that requires going down in flames fighting for some of the judges and on the Schiavo case and on similar issues.

Frist may not be a real candidate, but he's as real a candidate as there is among the Rs, and if he can swing a boatload of red state die-hards his way by going down fighting the "good fight", he'll be the stronger for it.

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Bill Frist's ascension has always appeared to me to be a bad real life mirror of the Omen III. I couldn't be happier to see someone take it in the ass so incredibly hard.

If the karmic wave goes as far as it should, James Dobson will be diagnosed with terminal anal chancres.

This is proof God does exist. There must be a hand somewhere guiding us toward common sense...

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You're too kind. How bout:

He whored it up to galvanize a base for his own political motives, but he bit off more than he could chew and wound up getting his ass handed to him.

Bill Frist is a king screaming whore, and a stupid one at that. First he gets dragged into the Sciavo thing, and makes an ass of himself guessing at her condition before natl news reporters. A shrewd operator would guage the wind at that point, realize the public did not want any more crazy right wing vitriol for the moment, and lay low. What does Frist do? He takes on not just Democrats, but most of the moderate wing of his party, in another battle hugely unpopular with most of the country. Baffling.

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I believe very strongly in God. But you're still wrong.

A sense of morals or ethics can still be postulated simply on a set of philosophical or political principles, or a combination of the two. In fact, a moral or ethical code can be postulated based upon the above, tempered by a firm belief that each person's self-interest will, on a macro level, balance out to achieve a moral and ethical society.

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Democratic Senators can't jump.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ople/Teddy.jpg
http://www.fda.gov/oc/whiteoak/white...ramikulski.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/karmicfreak/...mb_202_269.jpg

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Last time i checked there were 30 Republican governors.

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Frist determined some time ago that he would get to the WH if he could get the religious right to turn out for him and not someone else. The RR feels that they were the deciding factor in Bush's 2004 win and now they want theirs. Frist wants to give it to them and thereby earn their backing in '08. He found himself between the hammer of the RR and the anvil Reid laid for him of aversion to elimination of the filibuster. The irony (well, one of them, anyway) is the Republicans not eliminated all the alternatives to the filibuster already (blue slips, etc.), Frist would easily have won.

Besides, Frist looks too much like Rich Little to be president.

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Pataki for President? Or are you going to back Mitt Romney?

PS, The Republican Gov Assoc. counts 28.

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28. But true, Hank, they're all packed with national electability.

Let's goooooooo, Govenor Rounds!

http://www.rga.org/images/Mike%20Rou...shot%20web.jpg

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Yeah, but I can just see Pataki flinching in front of the whole congregation when he goes to pick up the snake and losing the primaries to someone with stronger Christian values. So maybe it's only 29 viable candidates.

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Right now, in California Arnold couldn't deliver a floral arrangment, and he's constitutionally ineligible. Make that 28.

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Here's what Mark Schmitt said:

• Frist put himself out there with the religious right, made this a matter in which some of them chose to speak in "the prophetic voice," from which no compromise is possible. The mistake Frist made was a small one at the time, and he probably didn't even know he was making it. But by enlisting these outside groups as partners and permanent allies, he cut off his own freedom of maneuver. When he finally realized that a critical mass of his own caucus did not want to blow up the Senate, he was trapped by outside forces. Now he's utterly ruined. John McCain and Lindsay Graham are setting the agenda in the Senate, while to the religious right, Frist is not a martyr to principle, but just an ineffectual leader, a guy who talks big but can't deliver.
  
  (I saw Joe Scarborough on MSNBC -- whose insights into Republican dynamics always seem very solid -- describe Frist as the winner here in the long-run, because McCain will have forfeited the support of the far-right in the 2008 primaries, making it available to Frist. That could be right, but McCain was unlikely to get that support anyway, and there are several 2008 candidates -- Brownback, Santorum, Allen -- who already have a stronger base than Frist with that group and who haven't promised something big that they can't deliver. I think Scarborough's right about McCain, though, and he goes from a candidate the far-right is uncomfortable with to one who will now be "totally unacceptable" to them. It's a mutual destruction pact, and the Republican field for 2008 is now down to the second-tier. Or, in honor of new front-runner George Allen, let's say, second-string.)

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We drink stryknine. Snake handlers are extreme. And It does help whittle the field down, like how You guys have the candidate's sisters blow Sharpton. You get down to the people who are serious right quick that way.

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Governors from meaningless States can't be elected President?

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Not Republican ones.

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We're considering the nuclear option of not letting you guys run one. We might just send two.

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I hear Dick Cheney says the Constitution has always required two Republican nominees, and the moderates don't feel like risking injury to tell him no.

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Who is Bryson?

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He's an author, and according to his own web site, he's "wonderfully droll."

and the R's lost how?
 

Lemesee here,

the Ds filibuster 10 or so for up to 4 or 4 1/2 years. The R's threaten to hit them with a hammer. The D's now agree to back off on their filibuster of at least a few of the 10, as long as the R's promise not to hit them with a hammer.

And Dean says this is a huge loss for the Rs? I take back every nice thing I ever said about the guy. He is as nutty as any of you that think this is an R loss. The R's have given up nothing but a threat, and that only temporarily. The D's have agreed to give-up several long standing positions.

Ty? What's the view on this through your rose-colored glasses?

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If this is a joke, I don't get it?

Is my screen not showing something, or how does Hank know this is something to do with Bill Bryson?

Why are you discussing Bill Bryson?

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That was an unrelated question. I do that to show how cool I am and that Ty and i know each other other than just on PB -I hope it rebuilds my credibility here. And yes Ty was making a joke. Mr. Cheney is not interested in grabbing the White house. He wants to get back to Halliburton so he can cash in before the Iraq thing winds down.

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2. I believe in God (or creating force of a sort) based on the rational (at least it seems entirely rational to me) observation that something started the universe. My rational side also tells me to believe that religion is a heaping pile of shit. It might serve some social purpose, but the whole "path to God" bit is horseshit. None of them are right, and "faith" is just ignorant refusal to deal with reality pervertedly repackaged as some noble endeavor. Its not noble to view the evidence around you and say "I believe a faery tale instead." Thats idiocy.