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Cletus Miller 09-28-2009 01:05 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 401363)
Yes.

My question is, after he pleaded guilty, how did he get out of the country? I assume he was released pending sentencing or something, but don't you have to surrender your passport and do other various things?

If Wiki is reasonably correct, he's a French citizen (hence no extradition from France), and he skipped out while under a court order that allowed him to travel abroad to finish a movie.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 09-28-2009 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 401362)
How about the whole fugitive from justice/jumping bail thing, too? It's not as squicky, but there also just aren't any defenses to that one.

Sure there are. Host fundraisers for politicians and wait until the last days of their term in office.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 09-28-2009 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 401367)
If Wiki is reasonably correct,

The page is now locked, so who knows whether the reliable or unreliable information got locked in place.

But I'm even more confused. It says he travelled abroad, then came back for a court-ordered psychiatric evaluation, and then was released after 42 days (which I assume means he was quasi-incarcerated).

Hank Chinaski 09-28-2009 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 401368)
Sure there are. Host fundraisers for politicians and wait until the last days of their term in office.

Poland/France are asking the hil to ask the B-man to PARDON him. And I recall a big Hollywood movement that supported that a few years back. do not be surprised if he gets pardoned,

Cletus Miller 09-28-2009 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 401370)
Poland/France are asking the hil to ask the B-man to PARDON him. And I recall a big Hollywood movement that supported that a few years back. do not be surprised if he gets pardoned,

I *would* be surprised if he gets pardoned w/o at least serving some time and waiving extradition.

Poland and France would also have to agree to vote for Chicago this Friday. Chicago-politics on the international scale. BO will probably give RP a pension, too.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 09-28-2009 01:25 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 401370)
Poland/France are asking the hil to ask the B-man to PARDON him. And I recall a big Hollywood movement that supported that a few years back. do not be surprised if he gets pardoned,

They need to talk the the governator . . . after being given a lesson on the federal-state system.

Sidd Finch 09-28-2009 01:28 PM

Re: Confidential to Less and Flinty
 
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Originally Posted by notcasesensitive (Post 401346)
I picked Detroit to win in my weekly pick 'em!! Washington has looked completely inept on offense this year and I doubt it will get better until Campbell is replaced.

I also picked Cincinnati over Pittsburgh! Unfortunately I lacked the conviction to believe Tennessee would start 0-3 and I had no idea that Jacksonville might win a game.

And in other football news, fuck Brett Favre.

Though how the Niners couldn't work a few more seconds off the clock there astounds me.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-28-2009 01:31 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 401366)
He didn't "fuck" her. He drugged her, raped her vaginally and then turned her over and forcibly sodomized her anally. Regardless of her age, she didn't consent to any of that.

I think his movies are very good, I feel terrible that his pregnant wife was killed, but he committed a crime, plead guilty to that crime and then fled the country before he served a day in jail. I don't give a fuck if he's already paid her off. I don't give a fuck that it's so unfair that he's had to live a life of exiled luxury in France. I don't give a fuck if he didn't get to pick up his Oscar personally. He raped a girl, and he was convicted of that rape. And he should go to jail.

It really shouldn't just be going to jail.

California should give him a "lifetime achievement award".

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-28-2009 01:32 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 401370)
Poland/France are asking the hil to ask the B-man to PARDON him. And I recall a big Hollywood movement that supported that a few years back. do not be surprised if he gets pardoned,

Why is the guy afraid of jail? He thinks anal rape is no big deal.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 09-28-2009 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 401366)
He raped a girl, and he was convicted of that rape.

You said "rape" twice.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 09-28-2009 01:34 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
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Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 401372)
Poland and France would also have to agree to vote for Chicago this Friday. Chicago-politics on the international scale. BO will probably give RP a pension, too.

BO needs to send some midwest farmers' daughters, because once Rio starts showing the pics, it has to be a lock to get the games.*

*Madrid? 2012 is in London. 2004 was in Greece. Too Euro-heavy.
Tokyo? It's their time, but too bad about Beijing in 2008 and Australia in 2000.
Chicago? It's the US. The US still sucks to the rest of the world.
Plus, by voting for Rio, every country can get itself in play for 2020, since there won't be any places off limits (no other S. Am. city could realistically do it right now).

Cletus Miller 09-28-2009 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 401378)
BO needs to send some midwest farmers' daughters, because once Rio starts showing the pics, it has to be a lock to get the games.*

*Madrid? 2012 is in London. 2004 was in Greece. Too Euro-heavy.
Tokyo? It's their time, but too bad about Beijing in 2008 and Australia in 2000.
Chicago? It's the US. The US still sucks to the rest of the world.
Plus, by voting for Rio, every country can get itself in play for 2020, since there won't be any places off limits (no other S. Am. city could realistically do it right now).

I hope you're right. I don't want to (a) move or (b) pay the corruption tax we're going to get hit with if we get the Games.

And, yes, Madrid drops first b/c of London, then Tokyo b/c of Beijing, and it's b/t Chicago and Rio, with the stated decision-making standards weighing in favor of Rio, since SA has never hosted the games. Not that the stated standards mean anything.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 09-28-2009 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 401378)
BO needs to send some midwest farmers' daughters, because once Rio starts showing the pics, it has to be a lock to get the games.

http://gamesnet.vo.llnwd.net/o1/game...18419_main.jpg

Replaced_Texan 09-28-2009 01:42 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 401378)
BO needs to send some midwest farmers' daughters, because once Rio starts showing the pics, it has to be a lock to get the games.*

*Madrid? 2012 is in London. 2004 was in Greece. Too Euro-heavy.
Tokyo? It's their time, but too bad about Beijing in 2008 and Australia in 2000.
Chicago? It's the US. The US still sucks to the rest of the world.
Plus, by voting for Rio, every country can get itself in play for 2020, since there won't be any places off limits (no other S. Am. city could realistically do it right now).

I'm pro-Rio. I think it'd be good for all of South America.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 09-28-2009 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 401381)

This link sucks, at least for me.

Hank Chinaski 09-28-2009 01:49 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
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Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 401380)
I hope you're right. I don't want to (a) move or (b) pay the corruption tax we're going to get hit with if we get the Games.

And, yes, Madrid drops first b/c of London, then Tokyo b/c of Beijing, and it's b/t Chicago and Rio, with the stated decision-making standards weighing in favor of Rio, since SA has never hosted the games. Not that the stated standards mean anything.

my two bits- it shouldn't be in any place as polluted as beijing (or rio) ever again-

Did you just call me Coltrane? 09-28-2009 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 401383)
This link sucks, at least for me.

I can see it on my browser. It's a picture of a farm girl pulling down her farm shorts to reveal her farm thong. She has pigtails and is wearing a bandanna for a shirt. There is some straw (not hay) in the background on the bed of a pick-up truck.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 09-28-2009 02:02 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
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Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 401380)
I hope you're right. I don't want to (a) move or (b) pay the corruption tax we're going to get hit with if we get the Games.

I think you mean sur-tax.

Anyway, mark me down as saying it here first.*
2016: Rio
2020: Tokyo**
2024: Paris



*And by 2015 you'll be able to verify with the search function!
**Sorry, Cape Town. Try again in 2028, unless Egypt beats you there.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-28-2009 02:09 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 401366)
He didn't "fuck" her. He drugged her, raped her vaginally and then turned her over and forcibly sodomized her anally. Regardless of her age, she didn't consent to any of that.

I think his movies are very good, I feel terrible that his pregnant wife was killed, but he committed a crime, plead guilty to that crime and then fled the country before he served a day in jail. I don't give a fuck if he's already paid her off. I don't give a fuck that it's so unfair that he's had to live a life of exiled luxury in France. I don't give a fuck if he didn't get to pick up his Oscar personally. He raped a girl, and he was convicted of that rape. And he should go to jail.


I agree with much of this. He seems to be a talented, accomplished fellow to whom some very bad things have happened, none of which should be relevant to his sentence or extradition. However, I would note that (IIRC) (1) he did six weeks in a psychiatric facility, (2) he did that time as part of a plea bargain with prosecutors under which that time served would be the extent of his jail time, (3) he fled the country when it became apparent that the judge was going to reject the plea bargain, leaving him at risk of serving a much longer sentence than the one he thought he was going to get when he pled, and (4) there were well-based allegations of judicial misconduct involved.

Cletus Miller 09-28-2009 02:10 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 401386)
I think you mean sur-tax.

No, I'm pretty sure it's a line item on my property tax bill.

And the county raising its piece of the sales tax was a corruption tax, too.

Hank Chinaski 09-28-2009 02:13 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 401387)
I agree with much of this. He seems to be a talented, accomplished fellow to whom some very bad things have happened, none of which should be relevant to his sentence or extradition. However, I would note that (IIRC) (1) he did six weeks in a psychiatric facility, (2) he did that time as part of a plea bargain with prosecutors under which that time served would be the extent of his jail time, (3) he fled the country when it became apparent that the judge was going to reject the plea bargain, leaving him at risk of serving a much longer sentence than the one he thought he was going to get when he pled, and (4) there were well-based allegations of judicial misconduct involved.

QED- there will be strong lib/hollywood sentiment to pardon the guy

Atticus Grinch 09-28-2009 02:14 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 401366)
He didn't "fuck" her. He drugged her, raped her vaginally and then turned her over and forcibly sodomized her anally. Regardless of her age, she didn't consent to any of that.

I think his movies are very good, I feel terrible that his pregnant wife was killed, but he committed a crime, plead guilty to that crime and then fled the country before he served a day in jail. I don't give a fuck if he's already paid her off. I don't give a fuck that it's so unfair that he's had to live a life of exiled luxury in France. I don't give a fuck if he didn't get to pick up his Oscar personally. He raped a girl, and he was convicted of that rape. And he should go to jail.

This, and no one should be allowed to file a motion or appear through attorneys until they consent to the jurisdiction of the court. The idea that he could bring motions for a new trial or to dismiss the indictment when he has already indicated he will not comply with the judge's order (if unfavorable) is a fucking mockery. So's the fact the UK let him prosecute a libel trial against Vanity Fair without coming to their jurisdiction either.

Hank Chinaski 09-28-2009 02:15 PM

Re: Two New Shows
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 401342)
2. I LOLed more during that pilot than anything on TV since Arrested Development went off the air. Even the creepy Latino stepkid is funny. Reminded me of the late lamented Sons & Daughters, the part improv sitcom that disappeared after a season.

BTW, Hank, I've been giving Frisky Dingo a chance. Better than ATHF, not as good as Sealab, a bit too much reliance on the gross-out killing off of characters, but a good number of laughs for 15 minutes, so thanks for the tip.

too much killing characters? sealab blew up the whole station every other episode-

futbol fan 09-28-2009 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 401386)
I think you mean sur-tax.

**Sorry, Cape Town. Try again in 2028, unless Egypt beats you there.

2. All eyz on Sarf Efrica next summer for the WC - if they do a good job that'll be their international sporting bone thrown for the next little while. If it descends into chaos the IOC says, "see?"

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 09-28-2009 02:23 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 401387)
I agree with much of this. He seems to be a talented, accomplished fellow to whom some very bad things have happened, none of which should be relevant to his sentence or extradition. However, I would note that (IIRC) (1) he did six weeks in a psychiatric facility, (2) he did that time as part of a plea bargain with prosecutors under which that time served would be the extent of his jail time, (3) he fled the country when it became apparent that the judge was going to reject the plea bargain, leaving him at risk of serving a much longer sentence than the one he thought he was going to get when he pled, and (4) there were well-based allegations of judicial misconduct involved.

Free Mumia!

Atticus Grinch 09-28-2009 02:24 PM

Re: Two New Shows
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 401391)
too much killing characters? sealab blew up the whole station every other episode-

Um, spoiler alert?

I've only seen three episodes of FD -- do the dead characters stay dead from episode to episode?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 09-28-2009 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ironweed (Post 401392)
If it descends into chaos the IOC says, "see?"

What if the chaos comes from British football hooligans?* Do they take away the games from London?


*What are the odds on that, Less?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 09-28-2009 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 401390)
So's the fact the UK let him prosecute a libel trial against Vanity Fair without coming to their jurisdiction either.

Yet, oddly, that's not the biggest joke about UK libel law.

Cletus Miller 09-28-2009 02:26 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 401393)
Free Mumia!

Free Leonard Peltier! He's Obama's political prisoner!

Hank Chinaski 09-28-2009 02:29 PM

Re: Two New Shows
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 401394)
Um, spoiler alert?

I've only seen three episodes of FD -- do the dead characters stay dead from episode to episode?

i was making a joke- the regenerative powers of the ocean water do not carry over to FD

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-28-2009 02:30 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 401387)
I agree with much of this. He seems to be a talented, accomplished fellow to whom some very bad things have happened, none of which should be relevant to his sentence or extradition. However, I would note that (IIRC) (1) he did six weeks in a psychiatric facility, (2) he did that time as part of a plea bargain with prosecutors under which that time served would be the extent of his jail time, (3) he fled the country when it became apparent that the judge was going to reject the plea bargain, leaving him at risk of serving a much longer sentence than the one he thought he was going to get when he pled, and (4) there were well-based allegations of judicial misconduct involved.


(1) 6 whole weeks!? It was part of an observation of him, right? Do you know the results of that observation?

(2) What was the final plea bargain agreement? When did it take effect? What conditions was it subject to?

(3) Your (3) is another crime - what's your point?

(4) They came up almost thirty years later. Let him have his day in court and make the argument - when he shows up in court.

He's a recidivist offender who shows no remorse after preying on a child. Maybe we dems should advocate a bit of sharia law here.

taxwonk 09-28-2009 02:41 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 401363)
Yes.

My question is, after he pleaded guilty, how did he get out of the country? I assume he was released pending sentencing or something, but don't you have to surrender your passport and do other various things?

Yes, they don't have a treaty? Or yes, I'm wrong?

Atticus Grinch 09-28-2009 02:50 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 401387)
I agree with much of this. He seems to be a talented, accomplished fellow to whom some very bad things have happened, none of which should be relevant to his sentence or extradition. However, I would note that (IIRC) (1) he did six weeks in a psychiatric facility, (2) he did that time as part of a plea bargain with prosecutors under which that time served would be the extent of his jail time, (3) he fled the country when it became apparent that the judge was going to reject the plea bargain, leaving him at risk of serving a much longer sentence than the one he thought he was going to get when he pled, and (4) there were well-based allegations of judicial misconduct involved.

If his plea bargain were rejected by the court, he could have withdrawn his plea and gone to trial. The remedy for judicial misconduct is appeal and referral to the CJP, not flight. There is zero honor in what he did.

You stay in the U.S. to have the trial, or you die abroad staying out of all countries with extradition treaties for the rest of your life. There is no third option. There are no judicial remedies available to a person who continues to defy an order to appear in court. There is no "King's X" in the American legal system. Even if he's innocent of the charges, he's a shitbag for breaking a promise. Unilateral shit like that makes the system worse for everybody, particular poor defendants who would never have been allowed to travel abroad pending sentencing.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-28-2009 02:51 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 401399)
(1) 6 whole weeks!? It was part of an observation of him, right? Do you know the results of that observation?

(2) What was the final plea bargain agreement? When did it take effect? What conditions was it subject to?

(3) Your (3) is another crime - what's your point?

(4) They came up almost thirty years later. Let him have his day in court and make the argument - when he shows up in court.

He's a recidivist offender who shows no remorse after preying on a child. Maybe we dems should advocate a bit of sharia law here.

I don't like Polanski, I don't like what he did, and I don't like the fact that he skipped the country. I don't know enough about the circumstances surrounding his plea bargain to know how strong his position there is. I'm really not interested in playing the part of Polanski's defender on this board, since -- as I mentioned, I don't like him or what he did, and can't even think of a movie of his that I liked apart from Chinatown -- of the irony. That said, I think the status quo ante a few days ago -- Polanski unable to visit certain countries, AUSAs and press spending their efforts on other things -- maybe better served the public and his victim.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-28-2009 02:53 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
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Originally Posted by atticus grinch (Post 401401)
if his plea bargain were rejected by the court, he could have withdrawn his plea and gone to trial. The remedy for judicial misconduct is appeal and referral to the cjp, not flight. There is zero honor in what he did.

You stay in the u.s. To have the trial, or you die abroad staying out of all countries with extradition treaties for the rest of your life. There is no third option. There are no judicial remedies available to a person who continues to defy an order to appear in court. There is no "king's x" in the american legal system. Even if he's innocent of the charges, he's a shitbag for breaking a promise. Unilateral shit like that makes the system worse for everybody, particular poor defendants who would never have been allowed to travel abroad pending sentencing.

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Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-28-2009 03:02 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 401402)
I don't like Polanski, I don't like what he did, and I don't like the fact that he skipped the country. I don't know enough about the circumstances surrounding his plea bargain to know how strong his position there is. I'm really not interested in playing the part of Polanski's defender on this board, since -- as I mentioned, I don't like him or what he did, and can't even think of a movie of his that I liked apart from Chinatown -- of the irony. That said, I think the status quo ante a few days ago -- Polanski unable to visit certain countries, AUSAs and press spending their efforts on other things -- maybe better served the public and his victim.


Having a high visibility child rapist on the lam for three decades is not a good thing for the rule of law.

futbol fan 09-28-2009 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 401405)
Having a high visibility child rapist on the lam for three decades is not a good thing for the rule of law.

Why the sudden interest? I have not followed this story at all, and am taking no position on how big a scumbag he is (though he appears to be an exceedingly large scumbag), but he has been waving to cameras for 30 years now without, as far as I can recall, any sort of peep being heard.

Pretty Little Flower 09-28-2009 03:08 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 401401)
If his plea bargain were rejected by the court, he could have withdrawn his plea and gone to trial. The remedy for judicial misconduct is appeal and referral to the CJP, not flight. There is zero honor in what he did.

You stay in the U.S. to have the trial, or you die abroad staying out of all countries with extradition treaties for the rest of your life. There is no third option. There are no judicial remedies available to a person who continues to defy an order to appear in court. There is no "King's X" in the American legal system. Even if he's innocent of the charges, he's a shitbag for breaking a promise. Unilateral shit like that makes the system worse for everybody, particular poor defendants who would never have been allowed to travel abroad pending sentencing.

There is a documentary about this and I recall thinking after watching it that I would have fled the country if I were facing a judge doing what this judge did. The prosecutor said the same thing.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 09-28-2009 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ironweed (Post 401406)
Why the sudden interest? I have not followed this story at all, and am taking no position on how big a scumbag he is (though he appears to be an exceedingly large scumbag), but he has been waving to cameras for 30 years now without, as far as I can recall, any sort of peep being heard.

Generally an arrest is more newsworthy than just waving to cameras.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-28-2009 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 401405)
Having a high visibility child rapist on the lam for three decades is not a good thing for the rule of law.

No shit, Sherlock.


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