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Hank Chinaski 01-03-2010 11:42 PM

Re: maybe it's better if he goes back to simply parroting Ty?
 
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Originally Posted by Shape Shifter (Post 411948)
Do me a favor and dumb it down some more. I can't really make any sense of what you're saying.

both my kids are now in college. i don't know how to get to translating stuff so you can get it. someday i bet i have grandkids!

Adder 01-04-2010 10:07 AM

Re: maybe it's better if he goes back to simply parroting Ty?
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 411946)
i was asking you whether you could agree there is a potential downside to throwing this man into the US criminal justice system.

There is no meaningful downside, particularly here, where the chances of acquittal are zero.

You seem to think that not prosecuting him means we will get more information from him. Why?

Hank Chinaski 01-04-2010 10:24 AM

Re: maybe it's better if he goes back to simply parroting Ty?
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 411958)
There is no meaningful downside, particularly here, where the chances of acquittal are zero.

You seem to think that not prosecuting him means we will get more information from him. Why?

neither of us are in possession of any actual info. I'm simply asking you if giving this guy the rights we provide criminal defendants does not hurt information gathering from the guy, what is the point of those rights in the first place.

Adder 01-04-2010 10:29 AM

Re: maybe it's better if he goes back to simply parroting Ty?
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 411960)
neither of us are in possession of any actual info. I'm simply asking you if giving this guy the rights we provide criminal defendants does not hurt information gathering from the guy, what is the point of those rights in the first place.

To protect the wrongly accused and prevent inappropriate use of coercive power.

You really aren't this dense, are you?

Tyrone Slothrop 01-04-2010 10:30 AM

Re: maybe it's better if he goes back to simply parroting Ty?
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 411960)
neither of us are in possession of any actual info. I'm simply asking you if giving this guy the rights we provide criminal defendants does not hurt information gathering from the guy, what is the point of those rights in the first place.

I accept the point you are trying to make. That said, I'm not sure what your alternative is.

Not Bob 01-04-2010 11:06 AM

Marching as to war.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 411960)
neither of us are in possession of any actual info. I'm simply asking you if giving this guy the rights we provide criminal defendants does not hurt information gathering from the guy, what is the point of those rights in the first place.

Serious question -- did you think about this when Timothy McVeigh or Eric Rudolph was arrested? How about those guys shooting doctors who perform abortions or who bomb Planned Parenthood clinicss? Presumably the concern about giving terrorists a Miranda warning is that it would make it harder sometimes for the good guys to find out about the conspiracy that led to the attack. Wouldn't we also want to know who helped McVeigh or Rudolph?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 01-04-2010 11:12 AM

Broadcast TV on Cable
 
Now that Fox, and presumably the others will soon follow, are succeeding in charging cable cos. money to retransmit their broadcasts on cable, should the taxpayers, who have provided the broadcast airwaves for free to the networks, get a cut of the action?

Sidd Finch 01-04-2010 11:37 AM

Re: maybe it's better if he goes back to simply parroting Ty?
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 411919)
I'll give this a pass, but the next time one of you tries to imply I am a dick, or post no substance, remember Gatti's response.

Gatti is, indeed, a tough act to follow.

Gattigap 01-04-2010 11:44 AM

Re: Broadcast TV on Cable
 
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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 411968)
Now that Fox, and presumably the others will soon follow, are succeeding in charging cable cos. money to retransmit their broadcasts on cable, should the taxpayers, who have provided the broadcast airwaves for free to the networks, get a cut of the action?

Socialist fuck.

Tyrone Slothrop 01-04-2010 11:53 AM

Short answers to longer questions.
 
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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 411968)
Now that Fox, and presumably the others will soon follow, are succeeding in charging cable cos. money to retransmit their broadcasts on cable, should the taxpayers, who have provided the broadcast airwaves for free to the networks, get a cut of the action?

Yes.

eta: Or perhaps those airwaves should just be auctioned to the highest bidder every so often. Roughly the same effect, no?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 01-04-2010 01:46 PM

Re: Short answers to longer questions.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 411975)
Yes.

eta: Or perhaps those airwaves should just be auctioned to the highest bidder every so often. Roughly the same effect, no?

Yes. I wasn't figuring how the cut was made. An auction would be better than a tax I imagine, from an efficiency perspective. Of course, it's a bit odd because it's not a single national license, it's a series of local licenses that each are contractually bound to a network, so it's a bit more complicated.

Anyway, the point remains, TV airwaves should be given away for free, when those airwaves are being paid for by 90% of viewers (at least) in the form of cable fees.

Adder 01-04-2010 01:49 PM

Re: Short answers to longer questions.
 
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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 411985)
Yes. I wasn't figuring how the cut was made. An auction would be better than a tax I imagine, from an efficiency perspective. Of course, it's a bit odd because it's not a single national license, it's a series of local licenses that each are contractually bound to a network, so it's a bit more complicated.

Anyway, the point remains, TV airwaves should be given away for free, when those airwaves are being paid for by 90% of viewers (at least) in the form of cable fees.

Is there anything being "given" away in the case of airwaves? That is, does anyone other than the station spend anything to create the airwaves? It's just an exclusive license to use a given frequency, right?

Which is not to say that I have a view on the topic, to which I have given next to no thought.

Tyrone Slothrop 01-04-2010 01:58 PM

Re: Short answers to longer questions.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 411988)
Is there anything being "given" away in the case of airwaves? That is, does anyone other than the station spend anything to create the airwaves? It's just an exclusive license to use a given frequency, right?

Which is not to say that I have a view on the topic, to which I have given next to no thought.

What is real estate, other than an exclusive license to use a piece of land?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 01-04-2010 03:52 PM

Re: Short answers to longer questions.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 411988)
Is there anything being "given" away in the case of airwaves? That is, does anyone other than the station spend anything to create the airwaves? It's just an exclusive license to use a given frequency, right?

Which is not to say that I have a view on the topic, to which I have given next to no thought.

What Ty said, and to elaborate, there's an opportunity cost to granting a license for free, when others (whether cell cos. or potential broadcasters) would either pay for it or perhaps put it to better use than, say, some of the dreck NBC puts out.

Tyrone Slothrop 01-05-2010 05:41 PM

How do you say "whoops" in Slovak?
 

Making TSA look good
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