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Atticus Grinch 09-29-2009 01:03 PM

Re: H1N1 Virus Flu Shots
 
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Originally Posted by dtb (Post 401564)
If I weren't pregnant

Saywhatnow?

viet_mom 09-29-2009 01:08 PM

Re: H1N1 Virus Flu Shots
 
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Originally Posted by dtb (Post 401564)
I ....pregnant

:):):):)

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-29-2009 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 401587)
Saywhatnow?

Atticus, you are behind the times. Dtb got knocked up by some car racing nut in a dirty wife-beater, and is going to have a shotgun wedding. She hasn't said whether he has a mullet or not, and we aren't pressing her on it. We also haven't heard whether she'll wear white or not, but I understand the entire Connecticut Appalachain region is abuzz over the question.

I've put a five-spot on "dusky peach". Gatti's making book.

Atticus Grinch 09-29-2009 01:38 PM

Re: H1N1 Virus Flu Shots
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 401590)
Atticus, you are behind the times. Dtb got knocked up by some car racing nut in a dirty wife-beater, and is going to have a shotgun wedding. She hasn't said whether he has a mullet or not, and we aren't pressing her on it. We also haven't heard whether she'll wear white or not, but I understand the entire Connecticut Appalachain region is abuzz over the question.

I've put a five-spot on "dusky peach". Gatti's making book.

I knew about the wedding. I just thought the references to the shotgun were facetious. I shouldn't have let my subscription to Westport Magazine lapse.

Or my monthly membership in sepharticbumppicoftheday.com.

Sparklehorse 10-13-2009 11:01 AM

Underparenting with Tom Socca
 
In case you have been too busy with your spawn to read The Awl, I commend to you Tom Socca's column called Underparenting:

Link to all of his articles, including Underparenting.

A small excerpt:

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But child car seats are miserable. ... After your sixth or seventh hour locked in a five-point harness, unable to look over your shoulder, propped up so you can't sleep without your head lolling awkwardly over—you'd start screaming too.

The safety seat is ruining American family life and the automotive experience. I was horrified when vehicles started coming equipped with DVD players—individual ones, even. God forbid that children should ever be deprived of constant, demographically-targeted amusements. ...

But when I was little and bored in the car, I wasn't strapped down and immobile. I had, at most, a little booster seat that went under the lap belt, with a tubular metal roll bar that probably would have impaled me in the event of an accident. A fair amount of the time, I was crawling around loose in the cargo space, or on top of rear seats folded flat. Even with a seat belt on, I could work through the dull hours by rolling Matchbox cars around the back seat, or craning my head around to watch the scenery, or sucker-punching my brother in the floating ribs. There were options.

viet_mom 10-19-2009 09:57 PM

Re: Underparenting with Tom Socca
 
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Originally Posted by Sparklehorse (Post 403444)
In case you have been too busy with your spawn to read The Awl, I commend to you Tom Socca's column called Underparenting:

Link to all of his articles, including Underparenting.

A small excerpt:

I never heard of the column but thanks for the link. Hilarious:

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People on the subway would give up their seats at the first sight of the Bjorn, at least on the 7 train. (On the Beijing subway, they did not.) It's nice but confusing, if you're an able-bodied and not-yet-old man, to receive that particular courtesy. Is having a baby strapped to your chest a disability? Or is the baby the disabled person? Or is it just a cumbersome piece of luggage? I wasn't sure about my own answers to these questions, but it was good to be able to sit, even though it meant that the never-properly-positioned straps of the Bjorn would ride up into some new, even less ergonomically correct, position.
Link

cheval de frise 10-20-2009 01:23 PM

Re: H1N1 Virus Flu Shots
 
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Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 401320)

I'm sorry to say so, but this is a steaming pile of nonsense.

CDF

Sparklehorse 10-21-2009 01:00 PM

Re: H1N1 Virus Flu Shots
 
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Originally Posted by cheval de frise (Post 404322)
I'm sorry to say so, but this is a steaming pile of nonsense.

CDF


Here is a link to an interesting but scary story about a pregnant woman's experience with swine flu. This bit really caught my attention:

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“We have friends who get flu symptoms and say, ‘Oh, I’m not going to a doctor,’ ” Mr. Opdyke added. “And we say, ‘Do you not understand what we went through?’ I can’t imagine why there’s so much nonchalance.”

That nonchalance strikes close to home.

As they said this, Ms. Opdyke was doing her daily physical therapy, struggling to lift one-pound weights. Her therapist interrupted to announce that she opposed flu shots.

“Have you ever read the labels?” she asked. “They’re so full of toxins.”

Asked if she realized that a shot, had it existed in June, might have saved her client and her baby, she frowned and went back to her clipboard.

Fugee 10-21-2009 01:08 PM

Re: H1N1 Virus Flu Shots
 
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Originally Posted by Sparklehorse (Post 404467)
Here is a link to an interesting but scary story about a pregnant woman's experience with swine flu. This bit really caught my attention:

I got my seasonal flu shot last night. When they have enough of the H1N1 vaccine for people who aren't in the high risk category, I'll most likely get one of those as well.

Atticus Grinch 10-21-2009 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparklehorse (Post 404467)
Here is a link to an interesting but scary story about a pregnant woman's experience with swine flu. This bit really caught my attention:

People overvalue risks with human causes and undervalue those that seem randomized or have no attribution. Ask 10,000 people whether they oppose irradiating foods or eating genetically modified produce that is pathogen-resistant, and they will tut-tut about the "unknown risks" of runaway mutations being unleashed on the ecosystem. Ask them how those "unknown risks" compare to the 76 million cases of food-borne illnesses in the U.S. last year, or the 325,000 hospitalizations and 5,000 deaths, and they will frown and turn back to their clipboards.

In other words, people will go to great lengths to avoid a death that is someone's "fault," even if it means tolerating hundreds or thousands of deaths that are no one's "fault" except in our systemic failure to prevent them.

Adder 10-21-2009 01:25 PM

Re: H1N1 Virus Flu Shots
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 404469)
People overvalue risks with human causes and undervalue those that seem randomized or have no attribution. Ask 10,000 people whether they oppose irradiating foods or eating genetically modified produce that is pathogen-resistant, and they will tut-tut about the "unknown risks" of runaway mutations being unleashed on the ecosystem. Ask them how those "unknown risks" compare to the 76 million cases of food-borne illnesses in the U.S. last year, or the 325,000 hospitalizations and 5,000 deaths, and they will frown and turn back to their clipboards.

Or to put it differently (and steal from Nassim Taleb, citing others), they will be willing to pay more for insurance that protects their home from damage due to a specific threat (fire, flood, hurricane, terrorism, or whatever) than for a generalized policy that covers loss for any reason (including those specific threats).

Replaced_Texan 10-21-2009 02:22 PM

Re: H1N1 Virus Flu Shots
 
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Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 404468)
I got my seasonal flu shot last night. When they have enough of the H1N1 vaccine for people who aren't in the high risk category, I'll most likely get one of those as well.

I was just talking to a medical resident who was told that they're not sure if they're going to have enough H1N1 for the medical personnel. I'm getting my regular shot tonight and if there's any H1N1 left over in a few weeks, I'll get that then.

Hank Chinaski 10-21-2009 02:25 PM

Re: H1N1 Virus Flu Shots
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 404469)
People overvalue risks with human causes and undervalue those that seem randomized or have no attribution. Ask 10,000 people whether they oppose irradiating foods or eating genetically modified produce that is pathogen-resistant, and they will tut-tut about the "unknown risks" of runaway mutations being unleashed on the ecosystem. Ask them how those "unknown risks" compare to the 76 million cases of food-borne illnesses in the U.S. last year, or the 325,000 hospitalizations and 5,000 deaths, and they will frown and turn back to their clipboards.

In other words, people will go to great lengths to avoid a death that is someone's "fault," even if it means tolerating hundreds or thousands of deaths that are no one's "fault" except in our systemic failure to prevent them.

aren't you just saying people like evolution, as long as the selection is "natural?" I don't read politics board anymore, so i forget. are you the sock that is anti-evolution?

Cletus Miller 10-21-2009 02:31 PM

Re: H1N1 Virus Flu Shots
 
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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 404480)
I was just talking to a medical resident who was told that they're not sure if they're going to have enough H1N1 for the medical personnel. I'm getting my regular shot tonight and if there's any H1N1 left over in a few weeks, I'll get that then.

Supposedly, there is enough in Chicago that they are starting free clinics this weekend for all in "high risk" categories.

Fugee 10-21-2009 02:50 PM

Re: H1N1 Virus Flu Shots
 
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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 404480)
I was just talking to a medical resident who was told that they're not sure if they're going to have enough H1N1 for the medical personnel. I'm getting my regular shot tonight and if there's any H1N1 left over in a few weeks, I'll get that then.

If there is that much of a shortage, I guess I won't hold out any hope there will be enough left over for me in the near future.

1436 10-21-2009 03:05 PM

Re: H1N1 Virus Flu Shots
 
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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 404480)
I was just talking to a medical resident who was told that they're not sure if they're going to have enough H1N1 for the medical personnel. I'm getting my regular shot tonight and if there's any H1N1 left over in a few weeks, I'll get that then.

From what I gathered from our less than stellar news service, the shortage in Texas may be localized. Other states are getting far more than we are. The fingers are already pointing, but I won't speculate on where they will land.

PresentTense Pirate Penske 10-21-2009 03:49 PM

Re: H1N1 Virus Flu Shots
 
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Originally Posted by 1436 (Post 404497)
From what I gathered from our less than stellar news service, the shortage in Texas may be localized. Other states are getting far more than we are. The fingers are already pointing, but I won't speculate on where they will land.

Bush?

1436 10-21-2009 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PresentTense Pirate Penske (Post 404516)
Bush?

We've moved on to Perry.

Texans are more done with Bush than the rest of the country, but we still have Gov. Hair to deal with.

dtb 10-23-2009 09:11 AM

Re: H1N1 Virus Flu Shots
 
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Originally Posted by Sparklehorse (Post 404467)
Here is a link to an interesting but scary story about a pregnant woman's experience with swine flu. This bit really caught my attention:

I got my H1N1 shot on Monday, and I fee-el fine.

1436 10-23-2009 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dtb (Post 404710)
I got my H1N1 shot on Monday, and I fee-el fine.

Add to dossier on dtb: obvious shill for big pharma.






[I'm only jealous because I live in the hinterlands and can't get my shot.]

Sparklehorse 10-23-2009 10:51 AM

Re: H1N1 Virus Flu Shots
 
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Originally Posted by dtb (Post 404710)
I got my H1N1 shot on Monday, and I fee-el fine.

That's good news. My city's web site says that they won't have more seasonal flu vaccine for several weeks and H1N1 will not be available until December.

In the meantime, to continue on my two favorite topics in this thread, there is a new Underparenting about H1N1. My favorite quote:

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But where is the vaccine? Weren't there supposed to be jackbooted public-heath officials ordering everyone to line up for shots? I am all in favor of forcible vaccination; anti-vaccine activists are degenerate idiots who deserve to get polio and live out their days in iron lungs while Child Protective Services takes away their children to be properly raised. Or tetanus. Get lockjaw and shut up and die.
ETA: Great, now there's apparently an outbreak in Massachusetts. Link.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-23-2009 11:20 AM

Re: H1N1 Virus Flu Shots
 
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Originally Posted by 1436 (Post 404712)
Add to dossier on dtb: obvious shill for big pharma.






[I'm only jealous because I live in the hinterlands and can't get my shot.]

Huh. My note was "must be dating doctor on the side" but you're probably right.

Cletus Miller 10-23-2009 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 404720)
Huh. My note was "must be dating doctor on the side" but you're probably right.

And the correct answer is: member of highest risk cohort; a cohort that neither 1436, 3G nor Cletus could possibly be a member of.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-23-2009 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 404756)
And the correct answer is: member of highest risk cohort; a cohort that neither 1436, 3G nor Cletus could possibly be a member of.

I don't like the easy answers.

1436 10-23-2009 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 404756)
And the correct answer is: member of highest risk cohort; a cohort that neither 1436, 3G nor Cletus could possibly be a member of.

I am offended that you would make assumptions about me that are neither offensive nor untrue.

Cletus Miller 10-23-2009 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 1436 (Post 404776)
I am offended that you would make assumptions about me that are neither offensive nor untrue.

I'm that way when I dare to mess with Texa(n)s.

viet_mom 10-24-2009 11:20 AM

Re: General discussion - Mom and Dad Esq.
 
Hi. Any ideas for a care package to send to a college student in San Fran? 24 year old male. He's a long time friend and camp counselor to my daughter. Just recently returned to college. Stuff in the package can be irreverent but not like porn or anything. (:

Icky Thump 10-24-2009 06:56 PM

Re: General discussion - Mom and Dad Esq.
 
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Originally Posted by viet_mom (Post 404785)
Hi. Any ideas for a care package to send to a college student in San Fran? 24 year old male. He's a long time friend and camp counselor to my daughter. Just recently returned to college. Stuff in the package can be irreverent but not like porn or anything. (:

Salami from Katz's

PresentTense Pirate Penske 10-25-2009 01:01 AM

Re: General discussion - Mom and Dad Esq.
 
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Originally Posted by viet_mom (Post 404785)
Hi. Any ideas for a care package to send to a college student in San Fran? 24 year old male. He's a long time friend and camp counselor to my daughter. Just recently returned to college. Stuff in the package can be irreverent but not like porn or anything. (:

How about some tasteful lingerie polaroids of viet_mom????

sebastian_dangerfield 10-25-2009 11:35 AM

Re: H1N1 Virus Flu Shots
 
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Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 401347)
Being that I am a semi-professional plaintiff's lawyer, that doesn't bother me none.

Your alternative, you realize is brought to you by the lovely makers of Vioxx, Celebrex and Fosamax.

Or us.

Ever have this discussion with a PI partner?

"Hey, can you research this medical issue online and write a report finding liability based on [insert theory]? Here are a few medical journals."

Then you write up the report, fax it to the "Expert PI doc" and he faxes it back to you signed about 15 minutes later? And you're sitting there thinking, "Shit, he didn't even correct the langauge... and I don't know jack about the scientific underpinnings of what I just wrote!"

That's how I see "PI Docs" or "Defense Docs." They ought to dispense with the need for an expert altogether. The lawyers write 50% of the reports.

Icky Thump 10-25-2009 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 404795)
Or us.

Ever have this discussion with a PI partner?

No.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-25-2009 03:10 PM

Re: H1N1 Virus Flu Shots
 
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Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 404797)
No.

Seriously? I've had discussions with Plaintiff and Defense guys who've argued it's totally appropriate to write the report for the expert. That if the expert agrees with it by signing off on it, well, it's his opinion.

I find it appalling and was pretty fucking pissed about being told to do it, but I have to admit, having sat in meetings where lawyers have sometimes cajoled and sometimes forced* experts to modify reports to suit the lawyers' cases, there's a good argument to be made that actually writing the thing yourself is no different than pushing the expert's hand. I don't buy it, but I can understand the position.

* "Remind them who they work for," was the comment I used to hear from one partner regarding the proper way to massage an expert into saying what you wanted him to say.

Hank Chinaski 10-25-2009 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 404798)
Seriously? I've had discussions with Plaintiff and Defense guys who've argued it's totally appropriate to write the report for the expert. That if the expert agrees with it by signing off on it, well, it's his opinion.

I find it appalling and was pretty fucking pissed about being told to do it, but I have to admit, having sat in meetings where lawyers have sometimes cajoled and sometimes forced* experts to modify reports to suit the lawyers' cases, there's a good argument to be made that actually writing the thing yourself is no different than pushing the expert's hand. I don't buy it, but I can understand the position.

* "Remind them who they work for," was the comment I used to hear from one partner regarding the proper way to massage an expert into saying what you wanted him to say.

harder and harder to do, what with discovery of every available version of the report. "I'm sorry. You started with a draft written by Mr. Dangerfield?"

plus, most good (read experienced experts, ain't doing fuck all within 15 minutes. They bill slow until the deadline to name experts passes then they bill the shit out of the file.

(but yeah, I usually draft a good chunk of my expert's reports. we sit in a room and he types as I suggest things he might consider saying. Shhhh, don't tell atticus, he'll be disillusioned.)

sebastian_dangerfield 10-25-2009 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 404799)
harder and harder to do, what with discovery of every available version of the report. "I'm sorry. You started with a draft written by Mr. Dangerfield?"

plus, most good (read experienced experts, ain't doing fuck all within 15 minutes. They bill slow until the deadline to name experts passes then they bill the shit out of the file.

(but yeah, I usually draft a good chunk of my expert's reports. we sit in a room and he types as I suggest things he might consider saying. Shhhh, don't tell atticus, he'll be disillusioned.)

Not if they already have their base fee, and the PI lawyer's nervous they're going to hand in a piece of shit at the last second.

Adder 10-25-2009 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 404795)
They ought to dispense with the need for an expert altogether.

You could say the same thing about economic expert reports. While a good economic expert (who primarily but not exclusively tend to be the defense side, btw) will do more work than you suggest, and can add real value to the analysis, its not like the finder of fact hears anything other than "defense guy say X and plaintiff's guy says Y."

sebastian_dangerfield 10-25-2009 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 404801)
You could say the same thing about economic expert reports. While a good economic expert (who primarily but not exclusively tend to be the defense side, btw) will do more work than you suggest, and can add real value to the analysis, its not like the finder of fact hears anything other than "defense guy say X and plaintiff's guy says Y."

The only difference between the economic experts and the others is they'll whack up the bill to six figures having accting associates read irrelevant boxes of docs before they'll give you their initial assessments.

The expert testimony industry stands at the base of everything completely fucked up in the litigation business. If there's a bigger racket, I've yet to see it. For further reading, check this out: http://www.caller2.com/2005/pics/PTO29jurisdiction.pdf

Hank Chinaski 10-25-2009 11:31 PM

Re: H1N1 Virus Flu Shots
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 404803)
The expert testimony industry stands at the base of everything completely fucked up in the litigation business. If there's a bigger racket, I've yet to see it. For further reading, check this out: http://www.caller2.com/2005/pics/PTO29jurisdiction.pdf

2.

I actually had a case that was low budget (but ended up my first million dollar case). we hired a really low budget damages guy. I told him "1 version of your report."

my case gets thrown out, i go to appeal, get my case back in, and 3 years later we headed for trial- I look at my "experts" report, and he has 4 versions on his computer. he was a mess and I decide to skip that. the Judge bi-furcates, which buys time. I win and now it's damage time. I say, I ain't using an expert. I'll prove my damages with the infringer's testimony and my president's. the other lawyer actually moved to have my case thrown out since i couldn't prove damages w/o an expert. huh? the weird thing was the judge actually thought about it, i could tell he was about to step on my case.

i hate experts.

but, since this is the parents board, i will say this- if you can get your kids into a position where they're hired as an expert, that is a lucrative thing.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-26-2009 06:29 AM

Re: H1N1 Virus Flu Shots
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 404805)
2.

I actually had a case that was low budget (but ended up my first million dollar case). we hired a really low budget damages guy. I told him "1 version of your report."

my case gets thrown out, i go to appeal, get my case back in, and 3 years later we headed for trial- I look at my "experts" report, and he has 4 versions on his computer. he was a mess and I decide to skip that. the Judge bi-furcates, which buys time. I win and now it's damage time. I say, I ain't using an expert. I'll prove my damages with the infringer's testimony and my president's. the other lawyer actually moved to have my case thrown out since i couldn't prove damages w/o an expert. huh? the weird thing was the judge actually thought about it, i could tell he was about to step on my case.

i hate experts.

but, since this is the parents board, i will say this- if you can get your kids into a position where they're hired as an expert, that is a lucrative thing.

Ever dealt with an "Expert Broker"?

"Yeah, I need a [insert type of expert], from out of state."*

"I got one in Maryland."

"Fine. How many times has he testified?"

"He's got a few under his belt, but it's all good. He can handle himself. Knows the drill. Where can I fax the C.V.?"

Parents should be careful their kids don't get into this crowd, IMHO.

* So nobody knows too much about him/her.

taxwonk 10-26-2009 02:41 PM

Re: General discussion - Mom and Dad Esq.
 
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Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 404786)
Salami from Katz's


That's for boys in the Army.

taxwonk 10-26-2009 02:45 PM

Re: H1N1 Virus Flu Shots
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 404805)
2.

I actually had a case that was low budget (but ended up my first million dollar case). we hired a really low budget damages guy. I told him "1 version of your report."

my case gets thrown out, i go to appeal, get my case back in, and 3 years later we headed for trial- I look at my "experts" report, and he has 4 versions on his computer. he was a mess and I decide to skip that. the Judge bi-furcates, which buys time. I win and now it's damage time. I say, I ain't using an expert. I'll prove my damages with the infringer's testimony and my president's. the other lawyer actually moved to have my case thrown out since i couldn't prove damages w/o an expert. huh? the weird thing was the judge actually thought about it, i could tell he was about to step on my case.

i hate experts.

but, since this is the parents board, i will say this- if you can get your kids into a position where they're hired as an expert, that is a lucrative thing.

That's actually my dream career move. If I could start getting tax expert gigs, it would improve the quality of my life tenfold.


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