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I was disagreeing with this statement by you:

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It's been a long game of cat and mouse. He negotiated a deal to come back and face (somewhat limited) music a decade ago, and then backed out, and they've been ready to nab him on several occassions when he's not shown up to get an award or take a bow, apparently because he ran the idea past his lawyers.

But in Obama's America, we don't put up with this stuff any more. Bush may have let the French push him around, but not Barack.

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I can tell that I am going to have to start doing "long form" posts for the crowd here. Lest. I. Be. Mis. Under. Stood.

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She looks like she's trying to pull up her pants after taking a leak.

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And yet I agreed with you, which suggests you haven't figured out what we disagree about.

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True. I tend toward going after the guy full bore because of the nature of the crime and the fact that he pled and fled. On the other hand, I can see the point that some may not consider this worth pursuing given the time that has passed, etc. (though the time passed because he was on the lam).

However, I find the view of some (including the French government) that he should be left alone because he made good movies and had a rough life particularly galling (pardon the pun).

He should just face the music and get it over with. The crazy judge who supposedly scared him away took a dirt nap long ago.

Oh, and hi everybody. Long time no see.

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Cute - the other possibility is that you realized how idiotic it is to defend "the status quo ante"

Are you sure you don't want to be the board apologist for raping children, at least until Spanky shows up?

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Disagree. Look at her hand. The thumb is pushing down. There would be more gripping with the fingers if she were pulling up.

http://gamesnet.vo.llnwd.net/o1/game...18419_main.jpg

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2. Yeah, this argument is particularly stupid and I hate when people trot it out as if it has any relevance whatsoever. He committed a crime.

Did Michael Vick get special treatment because he was a good football player?

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Here is a review from the movie. Apparently the victim (and perhaps less surprisingly the NYT reviewer) also thought it unsurprising that he fled the country given the circumstances.

http://movies.nytimes.com/2008/03/31/movies/31roma.html

It's a good movie. I recommend it. I am sure my recommendation coupled with my stated feeling that I would also have feld the country under the circumstances will be construed as an endorsement by me of child sodomy, or perhaps seen as a reflection of my view that high-living French artistes should not have to be burdened with the banalities of our judicial system.

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Give me the Cliff Notes version because I doubt I'll watch it. What did the judge do that was bad? Did the movie say what the "typical" sentence for child rape (not just statutory rape) was at the time? Was the problem the judge was going to give him a harsher sentence than other defendants charged with similar crimes got or that the judge wasn't going to go along with the deal he worked out with the prosecutor?

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This is as close as the review comes to saying:

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they worked out a plea deal, so the girl would not need to testify. the plea would hav egiven him probation- no jail time- the Judge didn't think that was right.

those are the facts- then the movie has subjective opinion about whether it made sense for the guy to run given how "unreasonable" the judge behaved.

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he pled, or wanted to- so where was the failure to "get a fair trial?"

and how the fuck does one rape an intoxicated 13 year old, and plea to probation? I don't know how screwed the judge was- but the prosecutor wasn't exactly making decisions that seem too sound either.

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Unfortunately, I cannot recall the details. I just recall the judge being a megalomaniacal publicity whore who arguably was not competent for the bench. I did not get the sense that he was stepping in to correct the error of a rich, high-publicity director getting off with a slap on the wrist. I am familiar with many cases where a judge will decide that a plea agreement is too lenient and, generally speaking, I think that is just one of the risks you take when you commit crimes. I do not recall feeling that way about the judge's conduct in this case.

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Actually, those are not the facts, but I understand that these sorts of subtleties have no place when we wave our giant flags of righteous indignation.

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And yet Bank of America could not flee to its ski lodge in Gstaad and pursue a career in directing, despite the fact that corporations are nominally entitled to all of the protections we afford natural persons. Where is the outrage?

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Here's another critique of the movie: http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/200...ary/index.html

and the Grand Jury testimony from the victim:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...skicover1.html

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and another article from Salon - http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/...est/index.html

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It was hollywood in the 70s. Do you think you could find 12 jurors who would convict on conduct involving drug use and sex? 75% of them would probably have said been there, done that.

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I'm not outraged, because for $50 they could have a watch that tells time there and five other locations.

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Some might argue yes.

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Agreed. He's a deviant ball of shit better left to fade away elsewhere. Now we're going to spend $2 million prosecuting him because the Swiss, acting very non-Swiss, decided in this case to play an interventionist role.

"You say there's billions in Holocaust victims' unclaimed funds in our banks? Sue us if you want it."

"Roman Polanski, a 76 year old with a 30 year arrest warrant on his head, is in town? Let's arrest him. Deport him, asap."

The scumbag ought to rot in jail somewhere, but the cost/benefit ratio on this one suggests the status quo was better left undisturbed.

ETA: Is it "non-Swiss" or "un-Swiss"? Or should I have just gone with cheddar?

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From the Salon piece: "But it leaves the strong impression that Polanski was a wronged man, jerked around by a cartoony, publicity-hungry judge to the point where fleeing was his only viable option."

This was indeed the impression I was left with. I leave open the possibility that the documentary was unfairly skewed, but I never got the sense, as the Salon writer did, that the documentary was trying to whitewash the crime. In fact, I had started the movie with some vague and unfounded notion that Polanski had just had a little hanky panky with an underage but willing girl, and was quite horrified to learn about the actual crime. My sense after viewing the documentary is that there is a polarization. One side views Polanski as a tragic hero who bravely fled a corrupt American judicial system supported by a prudish American morality that just doesn't understand how Europeans behave. The other side views Polanski as a sadistic rapist who, lacking the moral courage to pay the price for his crimes, attempts to shift blame to everyone but himself and, in so doing, subverted our beautiful judicial system. My recollection of the documentary is that, even if skewed, it shows that there are parts of both views that appear to be correct and that there are many nuances to the story that are ignored by both sides because they are inconvenient to their stongly-held, overly-simplistic views on the subject.

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I think the point the review was trying to make was that Polanski wasn't going to get a fair trail from that judge. At least that's how I understand that sentence.

As I said before, he did six weeks committed to a psych facility (and had agreed to do 90 days). I don't know why the prosecutor agreed to that, or whether it was in line with comparable cases at the time.

eta: whatever PLF has or will say on the subject

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Well, some might argue that "descent is the highest form of patriotic" but that doesn't mean they have any credibility.

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Are we/would we? SEems that with a guilty plea if he's ever extradited he gets sentenced according to whatever the law says he deserves (or did in 1978). No prosecution is necessary. If he wants to show the judge was corrupt, he has to bear that burden. But is that even relevant to the guilty plea? I could understand that a corrupt judge might impose an unfair sentence, but the deal he had was with the prosecutor, and then he skipped town on the judge. So with a fair judge, is there any issue he has?

This seems like a 30 minute sentencing hearing, if the woman shows up. Or 5 days at worst, if the judge wants to turn it into a spectacle by allowing all of Hollywood to show up and say what a genius Polanski is, despite his past misdeeds that he's learned from.

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The next day she went to her drawer, looked up her local attorney at law,
went to the phone and filed the police report and then she took the guy's ass to court.
Well, the day he stood in front of the judge he screamed, " She lies that little slut!"
The judge knew that he was full of shit and he gave him 25 years
And now his heart is filled with tears.

That night in jail it was getting late.
He was butt-raped by a large inmate, and he screamed.
But the guards paid no attention to his cries.

That's when things got out of control.
The moral of the date rape story, it does not pay to be drunk and horny.
But that's the way it had to be.
They locked him up and threw away the key.
Well, I can't take pity on men of his kind,
even though he now takes it in the behind.

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Always go with the cheddar.

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It seems pretty hard to imagine that any corruption worked against Polanski w/r/t the prosecutor if six felonies were reduced to probation on a lesser charge in the plea agreement. If there was no corruption was he supposed to get 100 hours of community service?

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I actually started this thread, so don't tell me how to run it- okay?

And I asked the simple question, "why would anyone feel arresting him is shocking?"

You seem to feel he was justified in fleeing, because a judge was behaving oddly. If I chose to engage that point I would devastate your position by simply noting "judges behaving oddly" is a really good reason to avoid our courts entirely.

And I don't care if his fleeing was righteous or not. he is now done fleeing, and will hopefully see a judge that behaves less oddly.

as a man more schooled in the criminal justice system than either of us once said: "Don't go to bed with no price on your head. Don't do it. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

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You think Polanski isn't going to file every imaginable paper to set the thing up for appeal if he doesn't get the result he wants? This will be costly. And there will be intense pressure on prosecutors to ensure there's no favoritism. All that was done before can be thrown out upon the right combination of applications. The extradition alone will cost the prosecution a pile of money.

Perhaps this is some nasty little joke on us by the Swiss, for fucking with their banking system with that appalling over-reach last year where we demanded they give the IRS information on UBS clients Swiss banking laws prevent the bank from giving to any other nation. We played hardball in that case, so they pay us back by giving us another ugly, tawdry courtroom celebrity drama.

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quick question: do you understand what a guilty plea does to the average length of the eventual "trial?"

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I don't recall anyone suggesting that the prosecutors did something corrupt. I think the judge was talking to someone in that office who wasn't on the case.

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This is an interview 10 years after he fled. Look at the sequence that starts at 1:35.

Based on that alone, the idea that "no one was hurt" and that he couldn't figure out what he did wrong, after he admitted what he did to her, I would put him in the meanest maximum security lockup around.

If this is American prudish morality, so be it. Thems his own words, and they hang him.

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Was there a bigger loss to music (good music) in the past 20 years than Bradley Nowell?

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It sounds like a man trying to use his fame to get away with rape was wary of being sentanced by a judge fond of his fame.

I was going to suggest "irony" as a descriptor, but I think "justice" is more accurate.

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Net/net, this is good for the economy. It could rescue a couple newspapers, and should drive internet traffic for a period. We can fund the trial from the stimulus money.

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Take the cotton out of your ears and listen to the sequence again. He says, "at that time, I didn't think anyone was hurt..." and then goes on to explain why he later adjusted that view.

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That is a weasly poorly rehearsed half-assed "adjustment." It doesn't do it. It makes a George Bush apology look sincere.

Are you really that easily conned?