LawTalkers - You (all) lie!

You're doubtless kidding, but even in jest it shows why the "Whyever won't blacks vote GOP even though we promise a postracial society?" lament is a question that answers itself.

I was looking at Senate votes on some major acts. Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed with a higher percentage of Rs than Ds.(this is relying on wiki) of course, back then the south was all D and voted almost 100% no. it was purely North/South, not R/D. Weird that things have changed so dramatically.

Penske trivia- Guess who performed the last filibuster to block the act?

SlaveNoMore

01-30-2010 11:41 PM

Tingle down my leg...

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 414933)

I was giving Obama props for some bipartisanship.

Unless something has changed since I was a regular poster, you would give Obama props for taking a solid turd, so "props" is a bit odd.

As mere "politics" go, there isn't a single "conservative" is this forum anymore anyway*, so the point is moot anyway, and who cares.

*Of the ostensible conservatives...

1) Hank is very funny at times, but who the fuck really knows what he's thinking.
2) Sebby is often my proxy, but he posts a lot, and I can no longer be bothered writing more than 3 lines at a time. Which makes him verbose, and me intellectially lazy. So be it.
3) Where the fuck did Billmore go?
4) On the other hand, Burger might be quietly holding down the fort. God bless!
5) Iron Man (my Latex Salesman) actively voted for the Obamii - 'nuff said
4) GGG, the Karl Rove plant, is the worst. It's really hard watching him overreach day after day - even Olbermann isnt that obvious.

Tyrone Slothrop

01-30-2010 11:58 PM

Re: Tingle down my leg...

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Originally Posted by SlaveNoMore (Post 414936)

Unless something has changed since I was a regular poster, you would give Obama props for taking a solid turd, so "props" is a bit odd.

I was actually echoing Adder's response to your suggestion that Obama has governed like a Bolshevik. As I've said recently, I don't necessarily agree with everything Bernanke has done, but the fact remains that Obama has appointed a Republican to maybe the most important domestic policy job. That's governing from the center, not the left.

PresentTense Pirate Penske

01-31-2010 01:18 PM

Re: More like STFU

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 414935)

At the age of 27 Robert Byrd wrote the following:

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I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.

At the age of 30 he wrote,

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"The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia and in every state in the nation."

At the age of 35 he said,

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He said he had joined the Klan because he felt it offered excitement....

But he apologised so its all good.

PresentTense Pirate Penske

01-31-2010 01:22 PM

Re: Tingle down my leg...

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Originally Posted by SlaveNoMore (Post 414936)

I eschew labels in the o'dime. I am label-less. Uncategorised....an independent thinker, except I don't even want that label.....but

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Originally Posted by SlaveNoMore (Post 414936)

Iron Man

is okay. It's undeniably accurate.

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Originally Posted by SlaveNoMore (Post 414936)

3) Where the fuck did Billmoure go?

I lost the fvckin password.

PresentTense Pirate Penske

01-31-2010 01:23 PM

Re: Tingle down my leg...

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 414937)

I'll agree its a centrist move, but I still question his R creds.

Tyrone Slothrop

01-31-2010 04:41 PM

caption, please (Larry Summers edition)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multime...ss_679126a.jpg

PresentTense Pirate Penske

01-31-2010 06:26 PM

Re: caption, please (Larry Summers edition)

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 414951)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multime...ss_679126a.jpg

Surfing the PB.......

no offence :(

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

02-01-2010 09:23 AM

Re: Tingle down my leg...

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Originally Posted by SlaveNoMore (Post 414936)

I agree with you that conservatism is intellectually bankrupt and no longer defensible.

But, hey, there is always Scott Brown and his daughters!

Tyrone Slothrop

02-01-2010 12:00 PM

for Sebby

Jonathan Chait:

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Yesterday's Senate vote, in which all forty Republican Senators rejected pay as you go financing, illustrates a couple impediments to reducing the long-term deficit. The first is that it's very hard for one party to reduce the deficit by itself. I wouldn't say that the entire Democratic Party is committed to serious deficit reduction. But major elements are, and nearly the whole party is committed to at least not making the problem worse. But a unilateral commitment to fiscal responsibility is a huge political handicap. Democrats made a push to reduce the deficit in 1993 with zero GOP support, and paid a price for it in 1994. A major reason President Obama has had such a hard slog enacting health care reform is that he has to come up with offsets for every new dollar he spends, and those offsets -- reductions in Medicare, capping the tax deduction for expensive health insurance plans -- are politically unpopular. Meanwhile, George W. Bush had a much easier time enacting his agenda because he simply decided to finance the entire thing with borrowing and got his party to go along.

The second problem is that, even if Democrats could reduce the deficit on their own and somehow could be insulated from the political harm, they have no incentive to do it. Why should they, when the Republicans don't share the goal? I strongly supported the Clinton administration's push to save the budget surplus in the late 1990s rather than spend it. In retrospect, that was a mistake. It just made it easier for Republicans to pass big, budget-wrecking tax cuts when they took office. There's no set of fiscal circumstances under which Republicans would not enact large tax cuts if given the votes to do so.

When you combine these two dynamics, the effect is truly toxic. The more Democrats do to reduce the deficit, the easier they make it politically for Republicans to retake power, and the easier they make it fiscally for Republicans to wreck the budget when they do. So, why try?

The biggest change in American politics over the past three decades is that the Republican Party has embraced, with the fervor of religion, the conviction that that tax rates need only be high enough to fund their desired level of government spending, rather than the actual level of spending. (How this came to be is the subject of my book.) There really no solution to the problem of American fiscal policy until the GOP can reform itself.

Gattigap

02-01-2010 12:04 PM

Re: You (all) lie!

Westboro Baptist Church numbnuts go to Twitter offices (?) in SF to protest, get Rickrolled. Audio-free.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2740/...4ba670009c.jpg

Sidd Finch

02-01-2010 12:12 PM

Re: More like STFU

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 414935)

And over the ensuing years, the South shifted to the Republican party. Which was a coincidence, as we know.

Hank Chinaski

02-01-2010 12:21 PM

Re: More like STFU

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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 414970)

And over the ensuing years, the South shifted to the Republican party. Which was a coincidence, as we know.

i was repsonding to the statement that the R party has always been against black people. that vote at least doesn't support that statement.

of course, that act was driven by johnson (I think) so ultimately Dems can claim more credit.

also, your choice of co-incidence is odd. I suppose what you mean is the rest of the r's drove towards the south position?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

02-01-2010 12:27 PM

Re: More like STFU

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 414973)

Someone said the Republican Party was always against black people? Because there was this guy named Lincoln...

I think the voting rights act was the crucible for changing the Republican Party - they saw an opportunity in the rift within the Democratic Party created by the act, and used that to fuel their southern strategy. It is a shame, but it fueled the Nixon and Reagan victories of which Rs here are so so proud.

As to credit, it was truly bipartisan but the Rs ran from credit and threw it all at Johnson as hard as they could - kind of like the TARP bailout. It passed to a great extent as an homage to JFK with RFK and Johnson pushing hard, but the Rockefeller Republicans were pretty visible until after the vote was held.

Hank Chinaski

02-01-2010 12:30 PM

Re: More like STFU

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 414975)

maybe. i don't know and things surely changed. I was just surprised by the votes is all.

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