Re: Pepper sprayed for public safety.
 

I get that you don't think he deserves a parade, and that's probably right. But even if you think it wasn't far enough, it's still the right thing to do. I'm not inclined to question what his heart was back in 1996 or through this past week, or to give Obama a big ol' "meh" because he didn't call for a US constitutional amendment.

Sure, it's mostly symbolism. Sure, there's politics involved. But it's not without political risk, it's exactly the kind of incremental progress that Obama seems to favor, and it's a symbol that I wouldn't have seen coming only a few years ago. That in itself isn't bad.

Swing low, Alabama.
 

Endorsing which George Wallace? The one who was governor in the 1980s, after he "got it right in the end"? I'll do that. His transformation from the champion of segregation in his first term to the man who appointed more blacks to office than any other governor of Alabama history in his final term is evidence of the possibility of redemption.

Re: Pepper sprayed for public safety.
 

He endorsed this as a states rights issue, which means that the states are free to legalize it or not. Are you OK with that? Are you OK with that approach for abortion?*. How about interracial marriage? Segregation?

This is either a basic right or it's not. He punted. I don't see how that's the right thing to do. On top of that, he is getting the same political blow back as he would have if he backed it fully. Stupid politically. In Billy C's words, this guy is an amateur.

*i actually think it is the right approach for abortion.

Re: Pepper sprayed for public safety.
 

You're not really pretending that the analysis of each of those is the same?

Re: Pepper sprayed for public safety.
 

Yes, it was the right thing, and it meant a lot to a lot of people. Also, give him some credit for ending D.A.D.T. Or dd Biden impel him to that, too?

Re: Pepper sprayed for public safety.
 

I love some of these info graphics for their effectiveness in demonstrating alleged facts, if not any policy proposal - http://www.upworthy.com/11-shocking-...ul-2?g=3&c=cd1 .

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Re: Pepper sprayed for public safety.
 

So the choices are either Federal legislation to fix it today, or pussy.

Got it.

Re: Pepper sprayed for public safety.
 

No, the laws are either unconstitutional or not. I didn't understand that he had said its a states rights issue. If so, he is not right under current Contitutional law, and everyone lauding him for belatedly announcing his own opinion should also agree that states can set their own laws on abortion, miscengenation, and whether I can discriminate on the basis of race at my diner or apartment building.

Who knew he would be anointed for being the Second Coming of Barry Goldwater?

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Re: Pepper sprayed for public safety.
 

"Anointed." Ha.

He said something decent, that's all. Long overdue, as far as I'm concerned, but what the fuck difference does that make? I wanted single payer.

But he didn't have to do it. He could have chuckled and said, "you know old Joe, always just saying what's on his halfwit mind." Or he could have said any number of other pussyish things. But he didn't. And bending over backwards to start a constitutional law argument over his Rose Garden interview remarks just demonstrates how much it makes people squirm for him to get any credit, ever, at all, for anything.

Re: Pepper sprayed for public safety.
 

Again, why are you pretending that the analysis is the same for all those things. It's not.

I agree with you that the all of those cases should come ou the same way, but none of them compels the result in the others.

Re: Pepper sprayed for public safety.
 

print this bit, then hold it in the mirror and read it. Then realize what you really are.

For preparation, have a suicide prevention hotline number programmed in your cell. Or not. Because unless one of your handlers tell you you're sheep you won't realize it anyway.

Sad.

throwing my hat in the ring---
 

I am in favor of sunny days.

I previously thought that rainy days were important, and thus I had not decided to fully endorse the sunny day option, but I have moved to that position. I should note that in my opinion, ultimately whether a particular place has a sunny day or a rainy day is a local result dependent on how things look in the particular area.

That is all.

Re: Pepper sprayed for public safety.
 

Feel free to watch this video of Mitt for a read on his recent stances on related states rights issues and da gays. Mitt was actually quite passionate, not a word I use much for him, in pushing the doomed Mass. amendment to ban gay marriage. He put a lot of his political eggs in that basket here in Mass. Likely played a role in not running again here.

I thought Obama had also made a comment recently on equal protection, mostly because I saw some back and forth chuckling about the current S.Ct.'s likelihood of interpretting e.p. as applying to sexual orientation.

But I'll admit, I'm not fine-parsing it all. It was a good week for equality, notwithstanding N. Carolina.

Re: throwing my hat in the ring---
 

I waffle on this one. Would London really look any better in the sun?

Re: Pepper sprayed for public safety.
 

I pretend no such thing and you too are full of shit for suggesting it. I posited that, if one accepted Obama's alleged current evolving position on gay marriage, it would follow that that Supreme Court opinions such as Loving should be reversed and laws such as the 1964 Civil Rights Act are unconstitutional.

You have agreed. You should apologize to Rand Paul.

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