Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 478141)

This all seems more likely to you all than a creator?

SMH

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 478137)

Most of us here believe that life began not from a creator, but just began. There is a theory that a primordial ooze had a mix of chemicals that has been recreated in a lab. Scientists have been able to create proteins from the mix. This required some long odds though. Then the proteins could come to life if struck by lightening, although this would only be a one in a billion chance (I'm making up the numbers, but not the concept). so that by the time you get to there being organisms moving around, it's a trillion to 1 shot, BUT there are 10 trillion stars, so the odds aren't that long.

To me that math says there are other planets with life, or that the odds are in favor (of course every estimate is a crap shoot too ).

One there are organisms, intelligent life doesn't seem a stretch to me, evolution gets you to that.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 478144)

None of it's any more likely than anything else. It's just that most people can't look out there and admit to themselves, "I don't know, and I won't know."

Everybody (particularly in the US) wants a narrative. Comfort, etc. Some take it in science, some in religion. Personally, I'm fine with ignorance on this. Why drive yourself nuts. Seems, to me at least, time better spent masturbating.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 478143)

Who believes that? I don't think any thinking person has looked the universe and said, for any sensible reason, "Nope. We're it. Nothing out there in that endless expanse, given billions of years within which do so, has blossomed into intelligent life."

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 478142)

yeah, I'm not looking for anyone to calculate anything- assume what i wrote is the theory- how cannot you not believe in other planets with life being likely?

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 478146)

The issue to me is that the creator is irrelevant. Perhaps there is one. As you say, we will probably never know.

BUT, the vastness of the universe and the time scales we are talking about does not make the process in any way unlikely. (And that's without getting into multiverse theories) We're talking about minuscule probabilities, but nearly infinite iterations.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 478144)

None of it's any more likely than anything else. It's just that most people can't look out there and admit to themselves, "I don't know, and I won't know."

Everybody (particularly in the US) wants a narrative. Comfort, etc. Some take it in science, some in religion. Personally, I'm fine with ignorance on this. Why drive yourself nuts. Seems, to me at least, time better spent masturbating.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 478144)

None of it's any more likely than anything else. It's just that most people can't look out there and admit to themselves, "I don't know, and I won't know."

Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 478139)

That's the math you were getting all aflutter over?

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 478144)

None of it's any more likely than anything else. It's just that most people can't look out there and admit to themselves, "I don't know, and I won't know."

Everybody (particularly in the US) wants a narrative. Comfort, etc. Some take it in science, some in religion. Personally, I'm fine with ignorance on this. Why drive yourself nuts. Seems, to me at least, time better spent masturbating.

Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 478141)

This all seems more likely to you all than a creator?

SMH

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 478157)

Do your beliefs rule out that life started something along the lines of what Hank described, but that what he described was, in fact, the design of the Creator?

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 478158)

Hey, smarty pants, if we try on this one, who created the creator, huh?

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 478159)

Whoa! Good one. O.K., dude, check this out: Can God create a rock so heavy that even he can't lift it?

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 478157)

Do your beliefs rule out that life started something along the lines of what Hank described, but that what he described was, in fact, the design of the Creator?