Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 522927)

is there a way to short Trump- take the field? If I could get odds I’d put some on that. I still think there is a chance he bows out.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 522940)

I don’t know. I can’t predict outcome with high confidence (I sense Trump will lose by thin margin, but the reasons for that are subject to various credible attacks). I can, however, see next chess move, and its more than likely outcome. That it happens to be a rational conclusion others agree wit is not my fault. As you’ve argued often, no one should adopt contrarian views simply to be contrarian.

And neither you nor Adder are asking me what I think will ultimately happen in election. You’re asking me what I believe in, my ideology. In politics, I don’t real have much of one. So stop asking. Nothing is more boring than people battling over whose moral code or reverence for the rule of law is superior.

What I would like you to know is that the thing you seem to find highly offensive, the thing you think ought to cause voters extreme disgust and anger, is not driving them. You’re exercised about Trump based on a belief he’s a threat to the rule of law. This is frivolous. Which I suspect you know. So below that, secondarily, you’re upset that he does not elevate the “rule of law” to the position of reverence you see it occupying. I’m saying to you that the American people don’t place it on that pedestal. Trump’s is closer to their view of the rule of law in this country than yours, particularly in politicized matters. You venerate the rule of law, hardly surprising for a lawyer. The typical American does not. He’s cynical about it. Give him a job and healthcare and he’d concede most of it.

I would not concede most of it. I don’t wish to be governed by the sentiments of Trumpists or the arrogant beliefs of know it alls frequently on display here. I think you and your Trumpist analogues are a lurid mix of the craven, brutal, silly, and naive. Armies in a battle where, if only all participants could lose together, the nation would profit immensely.

Leave me alone. That’s about all I desire. Who better to bargain with than a man like me? I’m exactly what we should be cultivating in all voters.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 522940)

And neither you nor Adder are asking me what I think will ultimately happen in election.

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 522943)

It's amazing how much you know about the typical American.

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 522925)

I'd say the President's impact is proportional to whether your politics align with the current President, and whether the economy is strong.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 522931)

They’re already leaking it. For every Dem move against Trump, a leak will be offered in response. They learned that tactic worked in 2016, so they’re sticking with it.

You keep assuming I buy all of the right wing stories. I don’t. But I’m immaterial. It’s how they play to the public generally. You can’t argue with my analysis of the effectiveness of the GOP’s game plan here, so you make it about what I think. I don’t know how that sort of non-response to me is supposed to move the conversation forward except to demonstrate that you find the GOP’s ability to use these tactics frustrating, and I find your frustration at the way the game is played to be kind of silly.

Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 522926)

I'm thinking of betting me some Warren and/or Harris.

Donald Trump +115
Joe Biden +450
Bernie Sanders +500
Pete Buttgieg +900
Kamala Harris +1300
Beto O’Rourke +2000
Andrew Yang +2000
Elizabeth Warren +3000
Amy Klobuchar +5000
Tulsi Gabbard +5000
Cory Booker +5500
Mike Pence +6600
Kirsten Gillibrand +6600
Nikki Haley +6600
John Hickenlooper +10000
John Kasich +10000
Julian Castro +10000
Howard Schultz +10000
Andrew Cuomo +15000
Ted Cruz +15000

LessinHamburg

Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 522942)

Mike Pence ushers in a theocracy,

LessinHamburg

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 522949)

oh oh

http://deadstate.org/christian-right...40rBXtI8McDHvA

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 522950)

Didn't you marry outside the faith, dude? You're already beyond salvation to the Christian right.

So go ahead. This won't make anything worse.

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 522944)

We have been through this before. No one cares, as you're a moron.

We are interested in how you intend to vote, since, as we know from the last Presidential election, morons vote.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 522940)

You’re asking me what I believe in, my ideology. In politics, I don’t real have much of one. So stop asking. Nothing is more boring than people battling over whose moral code or reverence for the rule of law is superior.

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 522951)

Hell I can deal with. But I'm thinking they're talking jail time?

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 522954)

Good point.

John Kelly is probably negotiating right now to build tent prisons to hold all connilingi.