Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 

I read that pretty quickly but it looks like there wasn't a set agreement for the sentencing -- at least none they put on the record. Based on watching TV, I thought recommended sentences were part of plea agreements and put into the record.

Back to the Salon article -- as part of their defense strategy they were going to say the 13-year old girl was not a virgin and they wanted to get details on who else she'd had sex with. That was probably standard defense procedures in rape cases back then, but when it involves a 13-year-old girl, I find that disgusting enough that it takes away any sympathy for him based on what a rogue judge was going to do.

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why do you think people question his fleeing? anyone who has committed a felony, and has yet to be visited by a 90 foot Jesus telling them to surrender to the police, should run.

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null set?

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enough of this Polanski stuff- next exercise: Flower, assume we catch bin ladin, can you please post a rationale for why he hid out instead of turning himself in? you may assume he had heard about the waterboarding,

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Because there's no way he'd get a fair trial. Of course.

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No. You absolutely run. It's a no brainer. So much of a no brainer that if you get caught later and brought back your running should not be factored into what punishment you receive.

Jail him for 90 days and force him to do a bunch of short films raising awareness about sexual abuse. That seems a reasonable sentence given all the factors.

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Apples and aircraft carriers.

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I assume you also believe the drugging and raping of children is acceptable conduct.

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Ty, you're just not up to the task of being the board's child rape advocate. Sebby's clearly the guy.

Sorry.

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Maybe playing for the Browns counted as time served?

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The Swiss might give him bail?!?!? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...i025401D84.DTL

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Say what you will about child rape, but this turn of events is hilarious.

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No, I don't. I think he's an appalling disaster. But I can see where this thing is headed, and it's waste of resources, time and it will fill my television with another pile of idiot Nancy Grace-like debates with talking heads screaming at each other.

The man's a degenerate. But the sentence was supposed to be probation. My suggestion is actually harsher than what the original prosecutor recommended.

You want to assign blame? Blame for the crime falls on Polanski. But blame for the light sentence falls on a clearly unqualified and disturbingly interventionist judge. A judge who would use his position for political gain deserves to lose it.

Personally, the best result I could foresee would be to turn back the clock, tell the prosecutor to grow a pair and scuttle the deal before it happened. Push for a trial and force Polanski to take a deal for several years in prison.

But we can't turn back the clock, can we? A degenerate in a black robe saw to it that an appropriate result couldn't be achieved, and so another degenerate bolted, and got 30 years in France.

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This is either: (a) a dumb joke; (b) a pathetic attempt to score points with the harrumph-then-think crowd; or, (c) an acknowledgment the emotional side of your brain trumps the rational side.

Whichever, reread and respond like someone with modest powers of logic, or a better quality of wit.

Masel Tov!
 

Break your fast with me at Jardiniere tonight:

September 28th
Yom Kippur “Breaking the Fast”

Matzo Ball Soup
Marco Felluga, Friulano, Collio, Italy 2007

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Braised Brisket, Glazed Carrots and Martin's Potatoes, Natural Jus
Bonny Doon, Grenache Blend "Le Cigare Volant" California 2004
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Honey Cake and Roasted Jonathan Apples
Ey Muscat de Rivesaltes “Vigne lo Clavell ” Roussillon, France 2007

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Burress's sentence is but one more example of the stupidity of zero tolerance punishment legislation, and mandatory sentences. What conceivable benefit does society derive from jailing that guy for two years? Fucking preposterous.

See also: Rockefeller Drug Laws; federal sentencing guidelines on LSD.

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I'm not 100% certain about the chronology but I believe that immediately after he fled to France was when he engaged in a romantic/sexual relationship with then-15-year-old Natassia Kinski.

Apropos of the Kinkski family, for some reason, I hadn't realized until recently that she is Klaus Kinski's daughter. Although I believe he was essentially an absentee father, so it's hard to know what influences he actually had on her. He was a crazy genius, going by Werner Herzog's film about him. I think he would fit GWNC's asshole/genius paradigm.

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Other than telling people that NY really does enforce those gun laws, and thus possibly deterring the incredibly stupid and dangerous practice of bringing guns to clubs and bars, none that I can conceive.

I won't defend drug sentencing laws, since they tend to treat bit players the same as kingpins.

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I still don't get the source for this. Who told him probation? Cite, please. RT's link is a judge telling him he could end up in a looney bin or he could end up with a sentence, and him saying that he understands.

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If the emotional side of your brain is not jumping up and down and screaming in a discussion of child rape, you're spending too much time with the likes of either Roman Polanski or Michael Dukakis.

Good Stuff
 

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/vi...v=260431775537 (911call).

Re: This is the thread where the fringster comes back with teeth
 

Sweet. Can you hook up different gadgets to it that do things like squirt water or make odd ball noises?

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If that were true, then Goodell would not have suspended him, but ordered him to play immediately.

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I only wish. I don't control the finances enough to get that if it existed.

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Aside from Sebby's pure cost/benefit judgment, which I happen to think undervalues the cost of the negative example of a fleed child rapist, I don't know how you can say this. The choice facing the prosecutors office, which knows where he is going to be is (1) do nothing and let a convicted child rapist continue to go free, or (2) say, "eh, fuck it it's been a long time."

I don't know how anyone could expect a prosecutor to take option 2.

Re: This is the thread where the fringster comes back with teeth
 

I could never get a woman to be this devoted to me:confused:

spree- not safe for the not strong stomached

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 

Recognizing that I am failing to STP, how?

I'm not sure that is right. I think the message that if you flee, you will find yourself arrested and facing extradition as often as we can arrange it is actually a good thing. Certain parts of DOJ share that view, even though they have never successfully extradited anyone.

"Please, whatever you do, don't send Nastassja Kinski out here!"
 

At least Avedon waited until she was 20:

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/m...6_1432550c.jpg

Re line from Binkley. Sigh. I miss Bilmore.

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 

Stallworth also took responsibility for his conduct from the start.

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Those DOJ types are wound just a little too tight, if you ask me.

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Okay, well, let's just say their intended audience takes notice.

Re: Good Stuff
 

"I think we're dead."

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 

Jeff Buckley

I was never a big fan of Sublime.

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One disturbing aspect of this case which has not been mentioned here is that the victim, who has forgiven Polanski, thinks that the American legal system has wronged Polanski and her over these past 30 years. The victim is wrong, and I'd like to explain why.

The American legal system did not force Polanski to be a fugitive for the past 30 years. Many on this board already have argued whether or not Polanski should have returned for his sentencing. Polanski had a choice. The victim, by definition, did not. That his fate has been unresolved for decades is not the fault of the American legal system. The blame must be laid squarely at the (hopefully-soon-to-be-shackled) feet of Polanski.

I understand why it is hard for the victim to see that. Others should realize that it will be better for everyone once this case is finally resolved.

I'm not saying what sentence he should receive. It appears that Polanski could still be sentenced to time served. I don't see any reason why the sentencing judge couldn't sentence Polanski to a misdemeanor instead of a felony (though if I was the prosecutor or the judge...)

Here's the scenario that intrigues me:
1) Polanski agrees not to fight extradition proceedings.
2) Polanski agrees not to withdraw his previously entered plea of guilty.
3) The judge sentences Polanski to felony probation, with credit for time served.
4) Polanski is deported.

Under this scenario, the matter is resolved. Polanski can never enter the United States legally again, under penalty of federal time. That holds some karmic appeal. No one has to testify. There is no show trial. The People of California do not have to spend a dime on his incarceration or probation. I am not sure whether he would have to register as a sex offender in Zurich, but someone could mashup google earth with the Megan's law website without much trouble.

Because I think #1 is even more unlikely than #2, I don't think this scenario will actually occur. Though if I were an Assistant District Attorney in LA, I would discuss the pros and cons of this scenario with my boss before things went much further.

If Polanski eventually is extradicted and sentenced to prison, I'm also fine with that result.

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France and its law against extradition shares just a bit of the blame.

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Is there a link for what the original prosecutor recommended? The transcript of the plea hearing didn't include that, just the official warnings on the record that the judge could decide the sentence.

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No one's come up with this. I can't find anything concrete that says the prosecutor agreed to let him off with probation.

I realize I look at this in part through the eyes of someone who has just seen a horrid case at fairly close range. I live in a town where the son of the Principal of the Middle School raped or sexually assualted multiple 11, 12 and 13 year olds over a period of years at the school (he was a coach and special ed teacher), was shielded by his father, and is still getting supported by a not inconsiderable number of people in the town. It's pretty clear the DA is going easy on him because of this support he's getting. I know at least one of the kids involved.

Having role models out there like Polanski, people who do this crap, flaunt it, and get away with it, does indeed encourage it, and encourage people to treat it less seriously. My wife was telling me there's a blog up in town about it, that now has comments along the lines of "he shouldn't get anything worse than Roman Polanski". So I'd like to see Polanski get the full weight of the law thrown at him, and then this guy get the same as Polanski.

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Anything less than prison time is a joke. The scenario you lay out goes easy on him for rape and doesn't punish him for running. If you were an ADA and discussed the scenario with your boss, I'd hope you'd both identify all the cons.

Re: "Please, whatever you do, don't send Nastassja Kinski out here!"
 

I don't understand this reference and google was not helpful.

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But on one of the morning shows today they said he had "sexual contact with a minor." It really sounded innocuous in a very disgusting way.

But this was topped by Debra Winger telling me that he was being brought back on a "technicality." I wonder if it would be a "technicality" if someone raped Debra Winger.