Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 

No one's raping Debra Winger. http://a330.g.akamai.net/7/330/23382...iety/10701.bmp

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 

As far as the comparisons, your local guy shouldn't be judged on the same basis as Polanski because (1) the times are different (these crimes are considered more serious now than they used to) and (2) he's got more victims.

I don't understand how anyone in your town could support someone who sexually assaulted multiple children like that. He's a predator, he's not going to change, and I'd want the DA to throw the book at him. You wonder if those people who support him getting a lenient sentence would allow their children to be alone with him.

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 

on a related note- anyone else notice less has started posting on the mom/dad boarD?

oh, and NSF/TCBing i admire the "helping poor women" argument.

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 

And now the AP says it was "statutory rape" - well that's a relief. That's like "date rape" right? Not even a crime in France, I suppose.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090929/...rland_polanski

Re: "Please, whatever you do, don't send Nastassja Kinski out here!"
 

It's okay.

Bilmore was an oldskooler on this board. Noted for pithy one-liners, grey pubes, and an affection for bee metaphors to combat terrorism. Has been absent for many months now, and occasionally is the subject of nostalgic rememberances when NotBob dips into the house chianti at the local diner.

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 

Ummm...what the hell are you talking about? Rich people shit on our tax laws and use Swiss banks (who pocket the fees) to do it and when we figure out how to catch them and get our money back (even give these people amnesty to pay what they owe without being prosecuted), you're pissed off about it? You are a strange dude.

TM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 

Everything in this post is ridiculous.

TM

Re: "Please, whatever you do, don't send Nastassja Kinski out here!"
 

Er, I remember Bilmore and his local fame. I don't know who or what Binkley is and why they feared the sending of Nastassja Kinski.

Re: "Please, whatever you do, don't send Nastassja Kinski out here!"
 

Bloom County.

Re: "Please, whatever you do, don't send Nastassja Kinski out here!"
 

Aha, thank you!

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 

The problem is, we didn't figure out how to catch them. We weren't successful in locating and examining specific transactions on our own to determine who here was hiding money abroad and then send reasonable, narrowly-tailored requests to the Swiss citing the basis for release of finite records on individual suspected tax cheats. Instead, we took the lazy approach and said "Give us all records on all Americans with X amount of dollars in your banks, or who utilized the services of X division of UBS' private banking group." Doing it that way, we created a showdown with the Swiss, whose economy in no small part depends on the attractiveness of their protective banking secrecy laws.

I'd have no issue with discrete requests made for records, and would expect Swiss compliance. But we didn't do that. Being the arrogant, lazy nation we are, we demanded they open volumes of books for us to allow the law enforcement agents of this country who hadn't done their job to go on a fishing expedition. Judges don't allow that sort of broad net discovery in criminal or civil actions here and the Swiss had every right to tell us to fuck off there. It's their sovereign territory, their bank, and the possibility of a bad press imperiling an important source of revenue to their country. That we don't like it, or think they protect criminals, is irrelevant. We don't make their laws.

Re: "Please, whatever you do, don't send Nastassja Kinski out here!"
 

Oops.

Do you remember the "Bloom County" comic strip? In it, one of the protagonists was a boy by the name of Binkley. Binkley was an anxious sort, and one ongoing schtick was to have the poor kid unable to sleep because of the monsters in his closet. In one strip, he decides (like Brer Rabbit) to try to outsmart a monster by pretending that he's terrified of Nastassja Kinski (I think he has her poster with the snake up on the wall). He pushes it just a little too far by pretending to be afraid of cheesecake, and the monster realizes his trick.

The comment about Bilmore was because of his use of the Opus avatar. Ms. Kinski makes me think about that strip, and "Bloom County" reminds me of Bilmore (and also a certain tall brunette from high school and college, but that's a different story), hence the "I miss Bilmore" comment.

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 

I stole it from a post here. Damned if I can recall which one. And, of course, its more than a little likely I read fast and typed even faster, degrading the quality of the recollection. (If degradation of anything I offer seriously is possible, considering that, according to some, I support child rape.)

But I'm certain I heard the deal included some provision that his 42 days in jail were deemed incarceration enough by the prosecutor, and that the prosecutor would not be asking for time in jail. That I learned from ex-SF mayor Willie Brown, a Polanski friend and supporter who was a guest on Hardball last night.

Re: "Please, whatever you do, don't send Nastassja Kinski out here!"
 

Oops indeed.

From The Telegraph...
 

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 

This is such a mischaracterization of the entire episode that it's hard to know where to start. So I won't. TM is right. Your emotional commitment to tax cheats is peculiar.

Re: From The Telegraph...
 

While there is much to agree and some to disagree with on the relative lists, I'd point out that they would benefit from some further exploration of the Slavic countries, Asia, Africa north of South Africa, and Spanish America.
Also, this appears to be unduly focused on white women. And its omission of Jewesses is remarkable.

Further research is needed.

Re: From The Telegraph...
 

We're Number Ten!!

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 

Bullshit. They're seeking over 2000 records. I've been on the receiving end of fishing expedition subpoenas. Pin it down to each individual suspect and provide exact detailed descriptions of why compliance is necessitated. I also searched financial records for a fraud investigation of a $400 million fraud perpetrated against a Florida insurer some time ago. The work was grueling and tedious as hell. If we could have found a way to throw a wide net subpoena at someone to get the info with 1/10th of that effort, we would have. Instead, we did the work. If we couldn't trace an illegal transaction, the thief deserved to get away with it, the way I saw it. The burden was on us to catch him, not on the banking system to make our jobs easier.

You're wrong about my love of tax cheats. The emotional component of this response comes from having defended criminals, and developed a deep distaste for the high handed techniques and outright arrogance of many in our state and federal prosecutorial systems.

"Ohhh... THAT exculpatory evidence. We must have misplaced that. So sorry."

But yes. Whatever starves the beast gets my support, be it legal or not. So I am rooting for the underdog. What can I say? I'm a closet anarchist.

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 

huh?

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 

They've built their economy in large part on helping rich Americans break US law. Why should we be deferential to that?

Themed Wedding Update
 

Our family wedding was this weekend. I brought 4 dresses and let my aunts and cousins pick for me. They all loved different dresses and hated my themed dress, so I wore a sack dress, belted with the belt from a different dress and had a blast.

My aunts who were not the groom's mother all wore formals, their dates wore tuxedos and no one cared about anything except that my impossibly cheap aunt (the groom's mother) actually had a full liquor open bar.

Yay.

Oh, and my dress elicited gasps from the guests when I stood up to take a photograph of everyone seated. I had to get them to stop shooting me, so I could shoot them.

Which is how it should be.

Re: From The Telegraph...
 

It's certainly focused on Europeans -- but why do you assume it's focused on women?

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 

You're right on one thing. My numbers were off. We initially sought information on 52,000 accounts.

Now it's only 4,450.

One can only wonder how "probable cause" was decided. But it is nice to see the Swiss efforts have protected at least 48,000 Americans who, apparently even our govt finally conceded, had no good reason to have their privacy invaded.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...T2009081901477

Re: From The Telegraph...
 

The placement of Americans.

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 

The Swiss governemnt relented in large part because UBS wanted it. If the Swiss government hadn't "allowed" UBS to disclose, then UBS would (most likely) been prosecuted criminally and had its US assets seized. And, with the precedent set, all the other Swiss banks will need to decide b/t having a US presence and complying with US law. It's not so hard--why should we allow anyone to operate a business in the US and blatantly ignore US law?

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 

I can't find anything here to disagree with.

No White King!
 

I would have bid on these. The missing piece is Bergmanesque.

The view from the new corner office will be spectacular.
 

Re: The view from the new corner office will be spectacular.
 

I've been in meeting where a guy talked about trying to "romance Penske".

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 

I would think it is obvious. Flower has raped an immovable object and fled America, since he was not handcuffed to a child. The child is standing in for Flower, and doing a mediocre job of it at best.

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 

Everything in that post is fact. I specifically refrained from stating an opinion. However, if you will exercise your memory, you may recall that I was not one of the people I refer to in my post.

Walt Kelly
 

We have met the victim and he is us!

CDF

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 

Your argument might be somewhat more convincing were it not for the fact that UBS was actively engaged in the fraud, marketing it to American taxpayers. Quite frankly, I think UBS is lucky we haven't sought forfeiture of their assets in the US to recover the lost taxes.

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 

How about this blast from the past - Stanford lawyer / hooker "Brazil" sentenced for not paying taxes on her "escort" income - http://www.abajournal.com/news/stanf..._on_escort_ea/

Re: "Please, whatever you do, don't send Nastassja Kinski out here!"
 

I find it more than a little disturbing that this post concluded with "I miss Bilmore" rather than "I miss [that certain tall brunette from highschoo and college]."

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 

This is outright garbage. http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/09...me-to-confess/

"In June 2008, UBS's Bradley Birkenfeld pleaded guilty to helping a U.S. client evade his tax liability, and the case provided information on the bank's internal practices to American officials. In February of this year, UBS admitted that it had violated U.S. securities law and had helped its American clients hide their income from tax authorities. It agreed to pay $780 million in penalties and unpaid taxes in exchange for a deferred prosecution agreement with the Department of Justice. Simultaneously, the IRS and Justice pursued a related civil case (known as the John Doe summons) concerning the names of up to 52,000 account holders with the Swiss bank.

In August, UBS reached a settlement agreement regarding that case and, as part of the deal, agreed to turn over the names of approximately 4,450 UBS account holders suspected of using their Swiss accounts to evade taxes. According to the IRS, these accounts held more than $18 billion at one point. UBS will give the names to Swiss tax officials, who will then determine whether to turn them over to U.S. tax authorities. The agreement, which contains details regarding how the Swiss government will make its determinations, remains sealed for now. The IRS has said that it will unseal the document by Nov. 17."

Not only were many rich people using UBS to avoid paying taxes by setting up secret accounts, but UBS broke our laws as well. Just because they built an industry that (for decades) relied on tax cheats doesn't mean they don't have to follow our laws.

And I don't know what you're talking about when it comes to the lazy US prosecutors not doing their job. It seems like they did a great job in this case and it seems like standard procedure for taking down a criminal enterprise. They found a guy who was breaking the law for an organization. They busted his ass and flipped him. He told them all the crooked shit they do. They used it against UBS, who admitted they violated our laws and paid fines. They then cooperated and gave up information on other motherfuckers with secret accounts. Like the article says, it ain't hard to comply with the law. If you did, the accounts would not be secret and it wouldn't matter that information regarding those accounts were uncovered in the investigation.

The only difference between this and taking down a drug cell is that sophisticated rich people are the ones getting away with the crime. "Reasonable, narrowly-tailored requests to the Swiss citing the basis for release of finite records on individual suspected tax cheats." What a joke. I'm sure this has been done countless times with the Swiss response being, "Fuck off. We're not giving you a damn thing."

I do not understand your thought process. Sometimes I can follow it. In this instance, I don't know what the hell you're thinking.

TM

Re: "Please, whatever you do, don't send Nastassja Kinski out here!"
 

I would say disappointing rather than disturbing, but otherwise, 2!

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 

Well, the "sophisticated rich people" aren't shooting each other when a new tax "shelter" encroaches on their turf. So that's another difference.

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 

Because their clients are underdogs who are availing themselves of hard to detect criminal endeavors. It's like you're not even listening.

TM