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ThurgreedMarshall 09-29-2009 02:50 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 401599)
Everything in that post is fact. I specifically refrained from stating an opinion. However, if you will exercise your memory, you may recall that I was not one of the people I refer to in my post.

I noticed that you didn't go one way or the other. So very clever. I am not criticizing your ability to list ridiculous things. But that doesn't make what you put in that post any less ridiculous.

TM

Cletus Miller 09-29-2009 02:51 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 401607)
Because their clients are underdogs who are availing themselves of hard to detect criminal endeavors. It's like you're not even listening.

TM

But I want to be one of them and it isn't fair that *I* will have to follow the law when I get there.

ThurgreedMarshall 09-29-2009 02:53 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 401606)
Well, the "sophisticated rich people" aren't shooting each other when a new tax "shelter" encroaches on their turf. So that's another difference.

That's not the focus of the analogy. The focus of the analogy is how prosecutors go about taking down the organization.

TM

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-29-2009 02:54 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 401604)
This is outright garbage. http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/09...me-to-confess/

"In June 2008, UBS's Bradley Birkenfeld pleaded guilty to helping a U.S. client evade his tax liability, and the case provided information on the bank's internal practices to American officials. In February of this year, UBS admitted that it had violated U.S. securities law and had helped its American clients hide their income from tax authorities. It agreed to pay $780 million in penalties and unpaid taxes in exchange for a deferred prosecution agreement with the Department of Justice. Simultaneously, the IRS and Justice pursued a related civil case (known as the John Doe summons) concerning the names of up to 52,000 account holders with the Swiss bank.

In August, UBS reached a settlement agreement regarding that case and, as part of the deal, agreed to turn over the names of approximately 4,450 UBS account holders suspected of using their Swiss accounts to evade taxes. According to the IRS, these accounts held more than $18 billion at one point. UBS will give the names to Swiss tax officials, who will then determine whether to turn them over to U.S. tax authorities. The agreement, which contains details regarding how the Swiss government will make its determinations, remains sealed for now. The IRS has said that it will unseal the document by Nov. 17."

Not only were many rich people using UBS to avoid paying taxes by setting up secret accounts, but UBS broke our laws as well. Just because they built an industry that (for decades) relied on tax cheats doesn't mean they don't have to follow our laws.

And I don't know what you're talking about when it comes to the lazy US prosecutors not doing their job. It seems like they did a great job in this case and it seems like standard procedure for taking down a criminal enterprise. They found a guy who was breaking the law for an organization. They busted his ass and flipped him. He told them all the crooked shit they do. They used it against UBS, who admitted they violated our laws and paid fines. They then cooperated and gave up information on other motherfuckers with secret accounts. Like the article says, it ain't hard to comply with the law. If you did, the accounts would not be secret and it wouldn't matter that information regarding those accounts were uncovered in the investigation.

The only difference between this and taking down a drug cell is that sophisticated rich people are the ones getting away with the crime. "Reasonable, narrowly-tailored requests to the Swiss citing the basis for release of finite records on individual suspected tax cheats." What a joke. I'm sure this has been done countless times with the Swiss response being, "Fuck off. We're not giving you a damn thing."

I do not understand your thought process. Sometimes I can follow it. In this instance, I don't know what the hell you're thinking.

TM


The Swiss can still offer bearer bonds, gold bars, and safe deposit boxes. Foreign accounts indeed.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-29-2009 02:56 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 401609)
But I want to be one of them and it isn't fair that *I* will have to follow the law when I get there.

You don't like the idea of a Swiss chalet with a hardened sub-basement full of gold bars?

The problem is that the rich people want to get interest on their ill-hidden gains - it's a matter of not just being crooked, but greedy as well.

Cletus Miller 09-29-2009 02:59 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 401610)
That's not the focus of the analogy. The focus of the analogy is how prosecutors go about taking down the organization.

TM

Then I missed the part where we are providing military aid to the Swiss in exchange for their cooperation.

I also missed where we've threatened forfeiture of US assets of Mexican/Columbian/etc businesses to gain their government's cooperation in taking down drug cartels. Or where we let a cartel kingpin off with a (fairly small) fine in exchange for giving us a list of his customers.

Hank Chinaski 09-29-2009 03:12 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 401613)
Then I missed the part where we are providing military aid to the Swiss in exchange for their cooperation.

I also missed where we've threatened forfeiture of US assets of Mexican/Columbian/etc businesses to gain their government's cooperation in taking down drug cartels. Or where we let a cartel kingpin off with a (fairly small) fine in exchange for giving us a list of his customers.

i don't mind when stuff on the PB is over my head, but, besides double-anal, I've always been able to understand FB posts.

ThurgreedMarshall 09-29-2009 03:26 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 401613)
Then I missed the part where we are providing military aid to the Swiss in exchange for their cooperation.

I also missed where we've threatened forfeiture of US assets of Mexican/Columbian/etc businesses to gain their government's cooperation in taking down drug cartels. Or where we let a cartel kingpin off with a (fairly small) fine in exchange for giving us a list of his customers.

Really? Are you actually trying to have this argument? Because I refuse.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 09-29-2009 03:28 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 401614)
i don't mind when stuff on the PB is over my head, but, besides double-anal, I've always been able to understand FB posts.

Twins just finished penetration #1 in today's double-anal Tigers action. Looks painful.

TM

Hank Chinaski 09-29-2009 03:31 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 401616)
Twins just finished penetration #1 in today's double-anal Tigers action. Looks painful.

TM

a rookie pitcher threw 6 innings, allowing 1 run for us. our pitchers deserve better.

ThurgreedMarshall 09-29-2009 04:07 PM

Well, would you look at that.
 
And it only took 50 years for Barbie to notice non-European features.

http://static.hiphopwired.com/wp-con...ackBarbies.jpg

TM

Fugee 09-29-2009 04:20 PM

Re: Well, would you look at that.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 401618)
And it only took 50 years for Barbie to notice non-European features.

http://static.hiphopwired.com/wp-con...ackBarbies.jpg

TM

Wow. When I was growing up the black Barbies were made from the same mold as the white ones just with different colored plastic. I guess they decided 50 years was time to make another mold.

The Fugee sister collects Barbies. I'll have to see if she's planning to get one of these.

Cletus Miller 09-29-2009 04:21 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 401615)
Really? Are you actually trying to have this argument? Because I refuse.

TM

Not really, but you took a flippant remark as missing the "focus" of your "analogy", so that's what you get.

Hank Chinaski 09-29-2009 04:27 PM

Re: Well, would you look at that.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 401619)
Wow. When I was growing up the black Barbies were made from the same mold as the white ones just with different colored plastic. I guess they decided 50 years was time to make another mold.

The Fugee sister collects Barbies. I'll have to see if she's planning to get one of these.

tits still big?

Penske's Biggest Fan! 09-29-2009 04:32 PM

Re: The view from the new corner office will be spectacular.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 401596)

Seems he is staying busy in "retirement". I miss him [sniff]

ThurgreedMarshall 09-29-2009 04:33 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 401621)
Not really, but you took a flippant remark as missing the "focus" of your "analogy", so that's what you get.

I am so ashamed.

TM

Penske's Biggest Fan! 09-29-2009 04:34 PM

Re: The view from the new corner office will be spectacular.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 401597)
I've been in meeting where a guy talked about trying to "romance Penske".

Was he cute? After the infamous "south of france disco" incident I hear Penske is more liberal in doling out his sexual favours.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 09-29-2009 04:38 PM

'Cause silicone parts are made for toys
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 401618)
And it only took 50 years for Barbie to notice non-European features.

TM

How many years for Barbie to notice that the original features aren't very european, let alone human? 36-18-33? Ha, ha, only if she's 5'3".

Cletus Miller 09-29-2009 04:42 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 401624)
I am so ashamed.

TM

You should be.

Now, is it going to take Barbie another 50 years to notice non-straightened hair?

Gattigap 09-29-2009 04:45 PM

Re: The view from the new corner office will be spectacular.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 401596)

http://cmsimg.detnews.com/apps/pbcsi...W=290&MaxH=290

New avatar!

Hank Chinaski 09-29-2009 04:48 PM

Re: The view from the new corner office will be spectacular.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gattigap (Post 401628)

the guy is preserving tens of thousands of US jobs. he is a hero and didn't deserve it when Seinfeld picked his name, and he surely didn't deserve some sociopath rebranding it thereafter.

LessinSF 09-29-2009 04:53 PM

Re: Well, would you look at that.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 401622)
tits still big?

You should see the booty on the Armenian ones.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-29-2009 04:56 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 401580)
Bullshit. They're seeking over 2000 records. I've been on the receiving end of fishing expedition subpoenas. Pin it down to each individual suspect and provide exact detailed descriptions of why compliance is necessitated. I also searched financial records for a fraud investigation of a $400 million fraud perpetrated against a Florida insurer some time ago. The work was grueling and tedious as hell. If we could have found a way to throw a wide net subpoena at someone to get the info with 1/10th of that effort, we would have. Instead, we did the work. If we couldn't trace an illegal transaction, the thief deserved to get away with it, the way I saw it. The burden was on us to catch him, not on the banking system to make our jobs easier.

You're wrong about my love of tax cheats. The emotional component of this response comes from having defended criminals, and developed a deep distaste for the high handed techniques and outright arrogance of many in our state and federal prosecutorial systems.

"Ohhh... THAT exculpatory evidence. We must have misplaced that. So sorry."

But yes. Whatever starves the beast gets my support, be it legal or not. So I am rooting for the underdog. What can I say? I'm a closet anarchist.

For starters, when you have a UBS executive blowing the whistle on rampant illegality from the inside, it's not a fishing expedition.

stp -- maybe napping all afternoon wasn't a hot idea

Penske's Biggest Fan! 09-29-2009 04:56 PM

Re: The view from the new corner office will be spectacular.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 401629)
the guy is preserving tens of thousands of US jobs. he is a hero and didn't deserve it when Seinfeld picked his name, and he surely didn't deserve some sociopath rebranding it thereafter.

Which one invented the MotorCityBagel, huh? What makes a hero most, indeed!

Gattigap 09-29-2009 04:57 PM

Re: This is the thread where the fringster comes back with teeth
 
So Ken Levine is a TV writer and Dodgers announcer who moonlights with his own blog. Most of what he writes there I think is quite good, but it's a hit-or-miss kind of thing. Fortunately, today he's written something I think the Lawtalkers community can get behind.

Quote:

Channel surfing recently I came upon INPPV, which I guess is our cable company’s pay-per-view “adult” channel. These are the ACTUAL titles. I may have taken a little creative license with the descriptions. But probably not much. Again, the titles are REAL.

HOT AND BUSTY SECRETARIES/NUDE -- They feel objectified and demand their bosses refer to them as Hot and Busty Assistants/Nude.

FORBIDDEN SEX EXPOSED -- It’s the one show MacKenzie Phillips hasn’t been on yet.

BUSTY BANK TELLER ORGY CAUGHT ON TAPE -- Doggy-style day afternoon.

NUDE COEDS: WET & WILD – There’s a flood in the Math Science building.

PORN STAR BOWLING -- no one can pull off a 7-10 split like these gals.

NAKED NEWS TV – Analysis of the recent G20 Summit.

UP THE SKIRT UNCENSORED -- The world as viewed from under a subway grating.

BLIND DATE/SLUMBER PARTY – Because every blind date looks like Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie with the lights out.

DESPERATE SLUTS -- Starring Teri Snatcher, Fellatio Huffman, Marcia Crass, and Eva Longwhoria.

NUDE YOUNG SLUTS REVEAL ALL – They share their most recent findings on Merkel cell research.

SORORITY STRIP OFF – The election for house treasurer is decided on jello shot night.

ALL NUDES HOTTIES/ HOME ALONE -- No wonder those two burglars keep trying to break in.

BIG BUSTED COPS: WILD SEX ORGY – Fund raisers honoring Joseph Wambaugh haven’t brought in the big bucks.

SOCCER MOM WILD SEX PARTY – For that big postgame celebration, Pizza Hut accommodates the kids and the moms!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_isUvlzkZPI...s-eat-free.jpg

GIRL ON GIRL: LICK MY HEART -- To accomplish that it would have to be GIRL ON DEAD GIRL.

AMATEUR PERV CAM – It’s the one porno the Teamsters don’t want you to see.

CHEATING MILF’S EXPOSED – Beverly Hills plastic surgeons discover some of their patients have used other doctors.

AMERICAN COUGARS -- Courtney Cox stars in this delightful new comedy.

HORNY NUDE SPORTS GROUPIES -- Baseball’s “other” bobbleheads.

NAKED GHETTO GIRLZ -- Girls so poor they can’t afford clothes and the letter “s”.

SEXY GIRL ATHLETES: NAKED YOGA – By popular demand, more supine poses.

NAKED BEACH VOLLEYBALL – Very tough on the commentators since no one wears numbers.

MILFS WHO LOVE YOUNG BABES – And spend all their husbands’ money futilely trying to look like them.

taxwonk 09-29-2009 04:58 PM

Re: The view from the new corner office will be spectacular.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Penske's Biggest Fan! (Post 401632)
What makes a hero most, indeed!

Salami? Roast Beef?

ThurgreedMarshall 09-29-2009 05:19 PM

Re: the longest time it took for a sex act to come back and haunt someone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 401626)
How many years for Barbie to notice that the original features aren't very european, let alone human? 36-18-33? Ha, ha, only if she's 5'3".

Although I agree, I meant facial features. If they changed build dimensions, they might as well admit that they're no longer even making Barbies.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 401627)
Now, is it going to take Barbie another 50 years to notice non-straightened hair?

Supposedly you can get the hair on these to curl up. But kinky hair? That'll never happen.

TM

Tyrone Slothrop 09-29-2009 06:37 PM

a little ancient culture
 
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...mb-454x447.jpg

ThurgreedMarshall 09-29-2009 06:42 PM

Vs.
 
Kardashian

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/ext...dashian-t1.jpg

vs.

Hilton

http://celebrities.unrealitytv.co.uk...hilton-001.jpg

You have to go on looks alone or the hypo is impossible to answer (if you start bringing in personality, brains, stds, it's no longer any fun at all).

Kim wins.

TM

Flinty_McFlint 09-29-2009 06:48 PM

Re: Vs.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 401646)
Kardashian

vs.

Hilton


You have to go on looks alone or the hypo is impossible to answer (if you start bringing in personality, brains, stds, it's no longer any fun at all).

Kim wins.

TM

In the words of Adder, but without the subtext and sense of longing (NTTAWWT): "I'm with you on Kim."

Cletus Miller 09-29-2009 06:52 PM

Re: Vs.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flinty_McFlint (Post 401647)
In the words of Adder, but without the subtext and sense of longing (NTTAWWT): "I'm with you on Kim."

But with the implication of MFM?

Oliver_Wendell_Ramone 09-29-2009 06:58 PM

Re: Vs.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 401649)
But with the implication of MFM?


Helping Hank out with the anal dp concept. Hepful, TM and Flinty.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-29-2009 07:05 PM

but is it art?
 
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/ima...lpture_np3.jpg

caption, please

Flinty_McFlint 09-29-2009 07:10 PM

Re: Vs.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 401649)
But with the implication of MFM?

I don't understand what you are talking about.

Atticus Grinch 09-29-2009 07:11 PM

Re: Well, would you look at that.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 401618)
And it only took 50 years for Barbie to notice non-European features.

http://static.hiphopwired.com/wp-con...ackBarbies.jpg

After all the shit we put on people of color, unrealistic body images were the one thing we spared you. Enjoy equality. Maybe the FBetties can recommend an outpatient program in your region.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-29-2009 07:14 PM

Re: Well, would you look at that.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 401618)
And it only took 50 years for Barbie to notice non-European features.

http://static.hiphopwired.com/wp-con...ackBarbies.jpg

TM

Indian Barbie.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-29-2009 07:15 PM

Re: The view from the new corner office will be spectacular.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gattigap (Post 401628)

Old Penske.

ThurgreedMarshall 09-29-2009 07:21 PM

Re: but is it art?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 401652)

"Ouch."

or

"So that's what an extended Bull Market looks like."

TM

ltl/fb 09-29-2009 07:22 PM

Re: Well, would you look at that.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 401656)
After all the shit we put on people of color, unrealistic body images were the one thing we spared you. Enjoy equality. Maybe the FBetties can recommend an outpatient program in your region.

Dude, I'm missing a tooth. And I can't walk. And stuff. THERE ARE SCARS.

Atticus Grinch 09-29-2009 07:23 PM

Man is born free but he is (almost) everywhere in chains.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 401645)

The near absence of iron shackles during the Merovingian period can only be attributed to the enlightened approach to human civilization exercised by the descendants of Jesus and Mary Magdalene, wherein unlike the barbaric approach taken by the Roman provincial governors, transgressors were expected to go to their respective Valhallas, do not pass Go do not collect $200, without much in they way of need for long-term durable wristwear.


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