Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

Run past the lagoons and leave the river to head for the Boston Public Garden, and then use the nice restroom here.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

i get on at Cambridge so I won’t have to poo for a few miles. I’ll be on WGBH in a few months, so I’ll be a star. I really think ggg has to set up porta potties when I’m there?

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

A picture of Dershowitz shirt cocking would definitely break the internet.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

LPT: real runners go before they run.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

I know he's hung out at the Gay Head cliffs, don't know if he shirt-cocked there but pretty sure he's let it all hang out there.

He's a slimy old man, this should surprise no one. He's the guy who ruins nude beaches for others.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

Not going to happen. If you had the right blood-lines, you'd be using the boathouses' loos, but I don't think they're going to let some Detroiter in there.

Re: Sebby's on it.
 

Um, https://dravetsyndromenews.com/2019/...nnox-gastault/

Re: Sebby's on it.
 

There are now two FDA approvals of cannabinoid products - that was the first. Since they both address very limited markets and treatments, it will be interesting to see what they get in terms of on-label versus off-label use, but, still, it's the right way to get to market and you have to give respect to those companies. In terms of medical use, the on-label usages we're talking about wouldn't be enough to attract a dime of investment, though that is probably not the right measure (just the one we usually have to live with).

I do a lot in the biotech area, and my firm does a lot in the cannibis area, but I have made it clear I'm only interested in working in the area when people are getting FDA approvals. So I've had multiple conversations with people who are part of the current grass land grab about the issue, and they all pass.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

More than the guy who comes up to you and your wife, stands before you in all his glory, and proceeds to proposition you to have dinner and swap, or do a foursome, and then proceeds to describe his wife in detail, noting several times she's a "petite Asian"?

(For some bizarre reason, my wife and I seem to attract really strange swingers. Another time, it was a lawyer at the Palm bar with a huge Amazon "friend" who I'm pretty sure was transexual. And then there was the other time at a party where the parents of our friend who was throwing the party invited us back to their place after regaling us with stories about how their hobby was to dress as clowns.)

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

So you met Alan's friend Mitch? Watch out, they might have introduced you to Andrew or Jeff next.

Come on, Biden
 

I understand you're trying to be the left-leaning centrist, but this seems like a self-inflicted wound (one of many).

https://thehill.com/latino/471928-to...Z9f4d_twozrQdQ

TM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

Catrin has been a part of two Grammys, having sung on MTT/SFS recordings that won.

- No, she didnt get to go up. That would be awesome.

- Yes, she got to take a photo with one of them once they brought it back (Mahler, I believe)

- Yes, giving out CDs to family members at Christmas saying this is my CD that "won" a Grammy is kinda Bad Ass.

SlaveNo(damn)More

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

mtt? sfs?

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

this explains a lot

Unrelated to anything else...
 

Someone just forwarded this to me - 7 year old kid playing (and utterly killing) "Tom Sawyer".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR_x...ature=youtu.be

This kid is going to sleep with 300 women before he's 14.

SlaveNo(an American Hero)More

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

Dude, really? Michael Tilson Thomas and the San Francisco Symphony.

When did you fall off the turnip truck?

SlaveNo(Leopold!)More

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

But do they have a fake dossier on Bigfoot?

SlaveNo("Colluded with Nessie to build a build a forest kingdom")More

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

Ohh, so she’s got no good groupie fuck stories?

Edit- meaning her as the musician. Probably crossing a line. Ps you should keep posting to reinvigorate this board.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

Apropos of this, here's a piece on the Steele dossier that's very much worth reading. tl;dr is that there's a lot in there that bears out, even if it's not 100% accurate.

2112 = Saltpetre for Chicks
 

Dissent: You ever gotten laid to "Subdivisions" or "The Trees"?

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

Yup, that is pretty damn badass. How did you guys get MTT while we're stuck with Andris Nelson?

I got to go to Carnegie Hall to help accept a Musical America Award one year - the experience was great, but the universe of people who get excited about such things is small. Of the 60 or so people at the winner's reception, the average classical music fan would recognize the names of about 30-40 of them. Hard to stop fan-boying in such a crowd.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

I think seen as "raw data," the Dossier has merit. The problem is Steele appears to have tried to give his clients (GOP newspaper first, then Hillary's campaign, and the FBI) as much product as he could.

Might've been much more effective if he broke it down into verifiable and unverifiable stories. By lumping it all into one report with some absolute facts, some incorrect allegations, and some possibly true events and circumstances, he created a document easy to attack.

I know you hate Taibbi, but regarding the point made in this article about journalists like Woodward "riding a wave" of public denunciation of the Dossier, you really should read Hate, Inc. Taibbi rips into that piling on phenomenon (among many others). It's caused by two things:

1. Media, including Woodward, doesn't have time to actually vet sources anymore; and,
2. There is a huge premium on commenting early and frequently, so whatever narrative takes shape quickly becomes the safest and easiest path to follow (easy because all you have to do is repackage prior comments from other equally uninformed commentators and "journalists").

It works like short term investing. Run with the herd.

The most interesting issue in this cycle, which Taibbi doesn't address unfortunately (because I don't think anyone can really know), is whether the originators of the narrative onto which others pile on is acting on behalf of someone, or is just lazy. It'd be interesting as hell to see, when the Steele Dossier came out, who in the media first attacked it. Did Fox do so, followed by a litany of other right wing sources, which might indicate intent to discredit? Or did CNN do so, followed by by more moderate news sources, indicating either laziness, or perhaps a desire to appear even-handed and skeptical ("real news").

I wouldn't be surprised to discover there are war rooms at Fox and MSNBC which seek to shape the narrative by feeding "facts" about stories to lazy secondary news outlets. There's really no way to get caught doing this because, by the time all of the other outlets have repackaged the spin on facts an originating source has offered, no one can recall where the narrative started. It's suddenly credible by sheer volume of its repetition in various sources.

Knock yourself out -- preen away.
 

I don't hate Taibbi at all, but I think the argument he and you make about "the media" paints with much too broad a brush, and is more an exercising in preening than in making sense of or responding to anything anyone is actually saying.

Re: Knock yourself out -- preen away.
 

Dudes, this is the classical music board. Take it to the worn-out-blogger-and-media-has-beens-bs board.

Re: Knock yourself out -- preen away.
 

I can see exactly why people would perceive it as preening. To an extent, it is, because it necessarily includes the argument, "You're being manipulated." People find that assertion a bit insulting.

But I think if you read that book, which is highly entertaining in terms of style alone, you'll see that he's not engaging in mere both-sidesism. He's careful to assert that the right has less interest in facts, and is more cynical. But he also notes that the left is starting to follow suit, and starting to catch up with the right in that regard.

His best critique is the one I cited - the swarm-of-screamers-on-speed mentality of modern media - which is more the fault of social media than anything else. As part of that, he argues news should never be a business. It's a public service element of traditional media. And it's becoming a business has turned it into a pusher. It can't let you off the hook for a second to formulate your own views, or to think "This isn't all that important." It feeds you constantly repackaged information designed to trigger anger or delight and get you locked into the next dopamine hit, or cortisol-and-adrenaline-fueled rage.

Both sides may not be equally dishonest in the content they push, but both equally seek to monopolize your eyeballs regardless of damage to your mental health and the social fabric of the country.

It's not his most organized and coherent book (The Divide is), but it's probably his most important. There are stretches of text where he dismantles the modern media business so well you wonder how he ever gets airtime anymore.

Re: Knock yourself out -- preen away.
 

I admire your ability to throw some Both sidesism into an exchange where we weren't even talking about political parties. Well done!

My point was that he paints with too broad a brush. So you slopped on some more paint. Don't mind the windows or the molding -- just throw that paint on everywhere.

My point about the preening is that you are doing what you would call virtue-signaling, dumping on the media generally (and both sides!) to signal your own superiority. They may be manipulating both sides, but you are certainly above that. (When is it time to do horserace journalism again?)

As you would know if you ever read my posts on the subject, I have plenty of issues with the media. But you (and Taibbi, if he has the nuance you attribute to him) are not interested in distinguishing better from worse in the media -- you're dumping on everyone to say that you're above it all.

Re: Knock yourself out -- preen away.
 

Have a Midol and a Xanax, Karen.

Taibbi is acknowledging the better and worse. (Which I stated, but nevermind that.)

What brush would you prefer be used in an assessment of the media? Should Taibbi write discrete chapters on each pundit of note and accord them a credibility rating of some sort? That'd be a riveting book. All 7,482 pages of it.

Some things have to be assessed in aggregate. Particularly when, as Taibbi notes, our modern media, whatever brand you choose - right, left, or center - runs a similar playbook.

Here's what I think you mean to say but won't:

I like criticizing the media for giving too much attention to Trump. I think that's a valid indictment. But I do not like when I hear criticism of the media for focusing on false narratives that I have adopted, such as bigotry or dumb rubes reactively rejecting their 'betters' (who I think think like me) being the main reasons Trump won, as opposed to economic issues. I don't care for that criticism because it tanks my sense of superiority. That's a media narrative that I don't want to see dismantled.

I also don't like criticism of the media that doesn't lay most of the blame at the feet of right wing media and corporate media that puts profits above all else. If one attacks the right and the left and suggests any similarity, that challenges the credibility of the notion that we are seeing a conflict between ideologies and political movements in which my side is better. If it's all a bit of a charade, if it's largely made up stuff - entertainment - then it's not a contest. I can't take a side and blame an 'other' for being the bad guy. I have to live in the deepest of grey areas. I don't like that kind of relativism, or cynicism, because I think I know what's best, but if I hear that I'm manipulated as well, I'm on a continuum with the Fox News sorts. And that bugs me.

Re: Knock yourself out -- preen away.
 

Why don't you just respond to what I actually say, instead of posting stupid shit like this? It's not like I conceal my views.

Re: Knock yourself out -- preen away.
 

Because you don't say anything. You just repeat that media criticism is too broad. What does that even mean? I could say the same thing about your criticism. What does failing to separate the worse from the better mean?

You conceal your views on this quite well. Which compelled me to make an educated guess at them. I'm probably wrong about some of it, but like the Steele Dossier, I'm probably right about a good bit of it.

Re: Knock yourself out -- preen away.
 

I posted something about the Steele dossier. Not about the media in general, or any particular media. You used that as a springboard to start riffing on how the media covered the story and on what Taibbi says about how the media behave. I wasn't interested in that, so I responded with a single sentence. I don't see any particular point in engaging with you about what Taibbi says, for the reasons I've said. It's not that he's all wrong, it's that he's not a very sharp critic, at least in what you say he says.

If you'd like to know what I think, just ask. It's not hard.

Re: Knock yourself out -- preen away.
 

Dude, you posted four paragraphs about me preening.

I pivoted to the Taibbi reference because the article you offered on the Steele Dossier was a “no shit, really?” piece. Who ever believed the whole thing, or even most of it, was BS? The only people who’d believe that are credulous sorts who’d take the reporting on the dossier seriously in either direction. Unless you’d shit for brains, it was obviously a mixed bag both sides would spin. From the left, it’d be defended; from the right, it’d be shredded. The reality was obvious from the start: Some of it is accurate and some isn’t. Did anyone need 1000 words on that?

It’s a hell of a lot more enlightening to consider how it was spun. That same type of spinning is going on with the impeachment right now. And while I know you know everything, so this will be no surprise, perhaps the media’s culpability and laziness being the biggest problem we have in modern politics is an area worth exploring. It’s certainly more enlightening than that article you posted.

Re: Knock yourself out -- preen away.
 

Perhaps you didn't notice that my post was a response to Slave mentioning a "fake dossier"?

I agree with you that the media is lazy. But that has always been true. But it seems like a bigger problem that conservatives have constructed an alternate reality which is impervious to facts that the rest of us get. You engage in a little both-sideism here, as you are wired to do, but I don't know of a single person who thinks that everything in the Steele dossier is right, but there are plenty of people like Slave who reject it as fake.

Triangulate back to an old enemy.

SlaveNo(Rather well done. Tips cap)More

Re: Knock yourself out -- preen away.
 

Slave never posts entirely earnestly. If he used “fake,” he was writing quickly and part ironically. He knows damn well the whole thing isn’t fiction. You’re pretending you don’t understand that so you can offer this silly argument.

But now we get to the serious stupidity of what you actually believe: That it’s only conservatives who have magical realities. Many progressives still believe Trumpkins are all bigots. They believe in this crazy world where the only people who disagree with them are hopelessly backward and full of hate. They’re deluded in exactly the same way their conservative counterparts are. The only difference is they aren’t as cynical as the right. A lot of the right views disinformation as a form of political strategy. Most progressives actually believe - ludicrously - that they know the truth.

It’s the credulous and the cynical on the right vs. the merely credulous on the left. And their respective media sources feed their delusions.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

You’d love Taibbi’s new book. It’s a supremely satisfying laugh at almost everyone fighting about politics. Including me.

I suspect Ty dislikes it because it effectively argues that our establishment media is a joke which should be ignored, and the politicians who dance on it for the audience’s titillation a mix of jesters and propagandists. A lot of the left is scared about what happens when the media is no longer respected. How will we control people? You know who else worries about that for the same reason? The right... most notably those the left calls, quite amusingly, authoritarians.

As always, there are no truth tellers versus liars. At least not in any way that matters. Just two groups of people who want to control everything in different ways.

Re: Knock yourself out -- preen away.
 

Dude, I know Slave and I know how he posts. He posted "fake dossier" and so I shared a link to a tab I had open about the Steele dossier. I know that he knows that Steele dossier isn't really fake, and he knows that I know that he says stuff like that here to trigger the libs, like a conservative should. I didn't trade short posts with Slave so that you could regurgitate Taibbi, but if that's what you want to do, go nuts.

You are comparing apples and oranges, and you're doing it to be provocative.

The argument about whether, as you put it, Trumpkins are all bigots is not an argument about facts. It's basically a question of how you define concepts like bigotry and racism. I think we all understand very well that you are hostile to the assumptions of the people who say those things. At any rate, they are getting their news from the same mainstream sources as the rest of us. There is no alternative media ecosystem to serve the Woke left. You're killing yourself to find equivalence, but it's not there.

You are right that a lot of the right views disinformation as a form of political strategy.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

Yes, if there is anything that the left stands for, it is controlling people through the mass media. It's uncanny how well you understand us. I shall have to report on this to my comrades.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

Tinfoil hat.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

Of course you'd say that. And of course you'd never read the book.

But I assume you've read some Chomsky. You might say Chomsky is crazy as well, but Manufacturing Consent, which Taibbi wrote Hate Inc. to update (and to which Hate Inc. is a bit of an homage), is pretty lucid stuff.

We're all manipulated to some extent. But I suspect you a bit more than most. But don't take my word for it. Read the book. Or I'd say just look up Bernays and McLuhan and read their bios. But I kinda think you want to stay in your silo. That's cool. Whatever floats your boat.

Re: Knock yourself out -- preen away.
 

Then why did you write that he views the dossier as fake as though it was true?

Nice try. No. I'm saying exactly what I wrote: The majority of Trumpkins are not bigots or racists. Most are economically fucked. Or greedy.

Yeah, except I wasn't doing that. And this attempt to steer the conversation in another direction is lame.

Get out of your silo. There are five or six left leaning news sources for every one conservative or right news source. The left's hair is on fire about conservative media because, for some bizarre reason, Fox somehow retains a position as the most watched of all cable news networks. I wonder if the people on the left who flip out about Fox's influence have ever considered this basic rule of marketing:

If you have ten varieties of Cola A, but only one variety of Cola B, that one variety of Cola B will outsell on a one to one basis each variety of Cola A. But all of the varieties of Cola A taken together will outsell Cola B by 10:1.