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notcasesensitive 04-12-2016 08:27 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz or Donald Trump Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 500330)
You have mentioned it, but thanks. Graceland was 1986? I don't think I was listening to much if any African music at the time, and I was certainly introduced to Ladysmith Black Mambazo by that album. So no shame there as far as I am concerned.

I went to a dj show at the beginning of the year and the guy behind Awesome Tapes From Africa was one of the djs. The music varied wildly in sound and quality (as random tapes from a bunch of artists in a bunch countries is bound to do) but when it was good, it was great.

Here's an (old) article where the guy talks about the project and some of his concerns about promoting vs. profiting from:

http://www.thewire.co.uk/in-writing/...ian-shimkovitz

Pretty Little Flower 04-12-2016 09:03 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz or Donald Trump Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by notcasesensitive (Post 500335)
I went to a dj show at the beginning of the year and the guy behind Awesome Tapes From Africa was one of the djs. The music varied wildly in sound and quality (as random tapes from a bunch of artists in a bunch countries is bound to do) but when it was good, it was great.

Here's an (old) article where the guy talks about the project and some of his concerns about promoting vs. profiting from:

http://www.thewire.co.uk/in-writing/...ian-shimkovitz

Thank you! Yeah, ATFA, Analog Africa, Strut Records, etc. -- there is so much old African music coming out. I understand his ambivalence, but as a fan of African music and his project in particular, I hope he keeps on keeping' on.

Hank Chinaski 04-12-2016 09:40 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz or Donald Trump Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 500336)
Thank you! Yeah, ATFA, Analog Africa, Strut Records, etc. -- there is so much old African music coming out. I understand his ambivalence, but as a fan of African music and his project in particular, I hope he keeps on keeping' on.

until you show knowledge of 70s reggae I kinda think your sushi skills=music skills? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uds2JNoqsvc First time you heard?

Pretty Little Flower 04-12-2016 10:25 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz or Donald Trump Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 500337)
until you show knowledge of 70s reggae I kinda think your sushi skills=music skills? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uds2JNoqsvc First time you heard?

First, I don't care what you think. Second, I don't care what you think. Third, see points 1 and 2. Finally, I am probably as open-minded as anyone on this board when it comes to music, and I hate to seem like a ferrets-type crank, but I call bullshit on reggae. The only themes are smoking pot, legalizing pot, being high on pot, and the inexplicable worship of some Ethiopian emperor as the messiah. I am certainly not hostile to the first three themes, but not when they are the ONLY THINGS YOU SING ABOUT. And the music itself is beyond simplistic -- it is basic and repetitive to the point of being moronic. Sure, the constant chicka chicka of the guitar can seem soothing if you are too high to get up off the couch (been there), but that is the beginning and the end of the usefulness of this genre of music.

Tyrone Slothrop 04-12-2016 10:30 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 500313)
But the basic rule is clear. It takes a majority of the delegates to win on the first ballot. Period.

So, two things. One is that Trump has been slumping lately, so the idea of giving the nomination to someone else fits with the momentum which drives the latest coverage. But if he picks up some wins, then that logic will suddenly resonate less.

The other is that the basic rule you describe is certainly clear for anyone who cares about process, but I think most voters go with the idea that whoever gets the most votes wins. If Trump is leader -- delegates, votes, whatever, if Cruz doesn't catch him -- and then doesn't get the nomination, that is going to sit very poorly with a lot of people who are Republicans in the sense that they voted in the GOP primaries and caucuses.

Hank Chinaski 04-12-2016 10:55 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz or Donald Trump Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 500338)
First, I don't care what you think. Second, I don't care what you think. Third, see points 1 and 2. Finally, I am probably as open-minded as anyone on this board when it comes to music, and I hate to seem like a ferrets-type crank, but I call bullshit on reggae. The only themes are smoking pot, legalizing pot, being high on pot, and the inexplicable worship of some Ethiopian emperor as the messiah. I am certainly not hostile to the first three themes, but not when they are the ONLY THINGS YOU SING ABOUT. And the music itself is beyond simplistic -- it is basic and repetitive to the point of being moronic. Sure, the constant chicka chicka of the guitar can seem soothing if you are too high to get up off the couch (been there), but that is the beginning and the end of the usefulness of this genre of music.

R-e-S-p-e-c-t isn't repetitive?

Pretty Little Flower 04-12-2016 11:11 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz or Donald Trump Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 500340)
R-e-S-p-e-c-t isn't repetitive?

I was just kidding. I mean, not about the whole not caring what you think thing. I meant that. But about the hostility toward reggae. I love reggae.

Tyrone Slothrop 04-12-2016 11:57 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz or Donald Trump Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 500341)
I was just kidding. I mean, not about the whole not caring what you think thing. I meant that. But about the hostility toward reggae. I love reggae.

If you want to try reggae with less pot and a non-Ethiopian messiah, there's always Matisyahu.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-13-2016 09:54 AM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 500339)
So, two things. One is that Trump has been slumping lately, so the idea of giving the nomination to someone else fits with the momentum which drives the latest coverage. But if he picks up some wins, then that logic will suddenly resonate less.

The other is that the basic rule you describe is certainly clear for anyone who cares about process, but I think most voters go with the idea that whoever gets the most votes wins. If Trump is leader -- delegates, votes, whatever, if Cruz doesn't catch him -- and then doesn't get the nomination, that is going to sit very poorly with a lot of people who are Republicans in the sense that they voted in the GOP primaries and caucuses.

It is very hard to imagine Cruz will catch Trump in any category, especially given the shellacking that looks like it is coming in New York, and possibly in other mid-Atlantic states.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-13-2016 01:31 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
This article really buries the lede. Maryland poll shows Trump does better at unifying the Republicans in November than Cruz.

taxwonk 04-13-2016 02:14 PM

Re: Hilary had nothing to do with UBS
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500301)
I'm kind of sick of this conversation. But that is a terrible analogy given the fact that your choices won't be a pick between Wendy's or McDonalds vs Shit Sandwich Express for the next 4 years.

TM

I'm kind of sick of this conversation, too, given that it's my fucking vote to cast and if I want to use it stupidly, that's my fucking right.

taxwonk 04-13-2016 02:21 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz or Donald Trump Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 500325)
Have I mentioned how much I enjoy this Daily Dose of Funk mission you have undertaken? "Musical Education Flower" is one of my favorite versions of the 32 flavors (and then some) that is The Pretty Little Flower.

Would it be cliched old white guy of me to mention that "Graceland" was my first experience in knowing that an American album included and had been influenced by the music of African Africans (as opposed to African Americans, a fact that even I was aware of)?

Probably, but this just goes to show you what you are dealing with. Anyway, thanks!

Never listened much to the blues, did you?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-13-2016 02:40 PM

Re: Because This is What Makes America Great
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 500345)
I'm kind of sick of this conversation, too, given that it's my fucking vote to cast and if I want to use it stupidly, that's my fucking right.

True. We have to defend people's rights to say idiotic things, cast dumb votes, and practice hateful religions.

As long as weapons are not involved.

ThurgreedMarshall 04-13-2016 02:47 PM

Re: Hilary had nothing to do with UBS
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 500345)
I'm kind of sick of this conversation, too, given that it's my fucking vote to cast and if I want to use it stupidly, that's my fucking right.

If you don't want people to react to stupid shit you do, don't describe the stupid shit you plan on doing. I'd prefer you not do stupid fucking shit, but I guess we can't have everything.

TM

Oliver_Wendell_Ramone 04-13-2016 03:22 PM

Re: Hilary had nothing to do with UBS
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500348)
If you don't want people to react to stupid shit you do, don't describe the stupid shit you plan on doing. I'd prefer you not do stupid fucking shit, but I guess we can't have everything.

TM

Though I will likely vote for my party's nominee, I'm with Wonk on this one. If you are in a state whose electoral votes are undeniably going one way or the other, I've got no problem considering my vote an act of self expression. You give me the write-in option, and I won't hesitate to use it under some circumstances.

Not Bob 04-13-2016 03:54 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz or Donald Trump Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 500346)
Never listened much to the blues, did you?

Sure, but I meant music from people who live in Africa the continent, not the music from Americans whose ancestors were brought here in chains.

ETA: probably not "much" but you get the idea.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-13-2016 04:17 PM

Re: Hilary had nothing to do with UBS
 
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Originally Posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone (Post 500354)
Though I will likely vote for my party's nominee, I'm with Wonk on this one. If you are in a state whose electoral votes are undeniably going one way or the other, I've got no problem considering my vote an act of self expression. You give me the write-in option, and I won't hesitate to use it under some circumstances.

I'm fine with this, but dismayed at the choice of Bernie as an act of self-expression. The more this goes on the more I waiting for him to get beyond three bullet points on a single slide.

Really? Socialism has come to this? It's good Engels is dead and doesn't have to see this.

You know who is great at voting as self-expression? The Icelanders. Pirate Party!!!

Pretty Little Flower 04-13-2016 04:25 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz or Donald Trump Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 500342)
If you want to try reggae with less pot and a non-Ethiopian messiah, there's always Matisyahu.

My real sweet spot is early Maytals, like From The Roots-era stuff. I know Matisyahu a bit, but only a bit. But you inspired me to see if there is any old Jewish funk for the Daily Dose. I did not look too hard. Mostly I found Jewish-themed parodies of Uptown Funk. I also found a song by a guy names Hebrew Rogers called "Can't Buy Soul." I dig it! So it is today's Daily Dose of Funk, because you can buy the presidency, but you can't buy soul:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMKyz7OX18g

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-13-2016 04:32 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz or Donald Trump Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 500355)
Sure, but I meant music from people who live in Africa the continent, not the music from Americans whose ancestors were brought here in chains.

ETA: probably not "much" but you get the idea.

I may have to start with a daily dose of Afro-pop or African jazz. We can begin with an old friend, De Great Steady Bongo

Steady is also the leadman in a pickup band called The Sierra Leone Refugee All-Stars

A vote for Steady would be a real act of self-expression.

ThurgreedMarshall 04-13-2016 04:47 PM

Re: Hilary had nothing to do with UBS
 
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Originally Posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone (Post 500354)
Though I will likely vote for my party's nominee, I'm with Wonk on this one. If you are in a state whose electoral votes are undeniably going one way or the other, I've got no problem considering my vote an act of self expression. You give me the write-in option, and I won't hesitate to use it under some circumstances.

I see your point, but I do not believe in this. Presidents need a clear expression of support to get shit done. If Hillary is the nominee and she is denied a convincing victory on the popular vote, it hamstrings her. And self expression is great, but no one gives a shit about your protest vote.

TM

Pretty Little Flower 04-13-2016 04:51 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz or Donald Trump Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 500358)
I may have to start with a daily dose of Afro-pop or African jazz. We can begin with an old friend, De Great Steady Bongo

Steady is also the leadman in a pickup band called The Sierra Leone Refugee All-Stars

A vote for Steady would be a real act of self-expression.

I support this. I love this song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD9M...&nohtml5=False

Oliver_Wendell_Ramone 04-13-2016 05:08 PM

Re: Hilary had nothing to do with UBS
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500359)
I see your point, but I do not believe in this. Presidents need a clear expression of support to get shit done. If Hillary is the nominee and she is denied a convincing victory on the popular vote, it hamstrings her. And self expression is great, but no one gives a shit about your protest vote.

TM

Nor does anyone care about your single vote for the party's nominee. There will never be enough real "self expression" voters (as opposed to voters for real protest candidates like Perot or Nader) to make a difference in the popular vote.

ThurgreedMarshall 04-13-2016 06:21 PM

Re: Hilary had nothing to do with UBS
 
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Originally Posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone (Post 500361)
Nor does anyone care about your single vote for the party's nominee. There will never be enough real "self expression" voters (as opposed to voters for real protest candidates like Perot or Nader) to make a difference in the popular vote.

Single vote? No single vote counts. We're talking about adding them up. And when it comes to protest votes, no. one. cares.

The combined number of people who have threatened to sit this out and those who feel the need to express themselves with a bugs bunny vote may very well be considerable this year.

TM

taxwonk 04-13-2016 08:02 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz or Donald Trump Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 500355)
Sure, but I meant music from people who live in Africa the continent, not the music from Americans whose ancestors were brought here in chains.

ETA: probably not "much" but you get the idea.

I was taught, in the 8th grade, by Ms. Reynolds, who drunkenly tried to pick me up a couple years later when I was a high school sophomore, that the traditional 12-bar rhythmic structure of the blues, derived from West Africa. Of course, Ms. Reynolds may have been completely wrong. After all, she thought she saw a smoldering sophistication in a 16-year old virgin.

taxwonk 04-13-2016 08:04 PM

Re: Hilary had nothing to do with UBS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 500356)
I'm fine with this, but dismayed at the choice of Bernie as an act of self-expression. The more this goes on the more I waiting for him to get beyond three bullet points on a single slide.

Really? Socialism has come to this? It's good Engels is dead and doesn't have to see this.

You know who is great at voting as self-expression? The Icelanders. Pirate Party!!!

I don't believe I ever actually said I was going to vote for Bernie. I merely said that, at a given point in time, he had some ideas I found more appealing than Hilary's on some issues I feel strongly about. If Hils can't win me over by November, my vote, which will be utterly meaningless no matter who I cast it for, down here in the belly of Southern Coastal Georgia, will be cast for either Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, or Jed Bartlett.

ThurgreedMarshall 04-13-2016 08:44 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz or Donald Trump Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 500363)
I was taught, in the 8th grade, by Ms. Reynolds, who drunkenly tried to pick me up a couple years later when I was a high school sophomore, that the traditional 12-bar rhythmic structure of the blues, derived from West Africa. Of course, Ms. Reynolds may have been completely wrong. After all, she thought she saw a smoldering sophistication in a 16-year old virgin.

Was she hot? Or at least doable?

TM

Hank Chinaski 04-13-2016 09:12 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz or Donald Trump Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500365)
Was she hot? Or at least doable?

TM

at 16 what is not "doable?"

edit- especially considering what a train wreck wonk must have been. no offense.

Replaced_Texan 04-13-2016 10:00 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz or Donald Trump Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 500357)
My real sweet spot is early Maytals, like From The Roots-era stuff. I know Matisyahu a bit, but only a bit. But you inspired me to see if there is any old Jewish funk for the Daily Dose. I did not look too hard. Mostly I found Jewish-themed parodies of Uptown Funk. I also found a song by a guy names Hebrew Rogers called "Can't Buy Soul." I dig it! So it is today's Daily Dose of Funk, because you can buy the presidency, but you can't buy soul:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMKyz7OX18g


A few years ago, my husband was djing a Hin-jew wedding, and in his search for an appropriate version of Hava Nagila to play, he stumbled upon a poorer quality version of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdG9P1MsU5A

While the bride and groom loved it, there was fear that certain family members would blow a gasket, so he used a more traditional version.

taxwonk 04-13-2016 10:03 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz or Donald Trump Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 500366)
at 16 what is not "doable?"

edit- especially considering what a train wreck wonk must have been. no offense.

None taken, considering the source.

And yes, TM, she was doable. Or at least she would have been had her husband not been sitting with her. Did I mention she was a drunk?

Tyrone Slothrop 04-14-2016 12:18 AM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
I like this thinking, but I'm not sure I can tell my daughter I'm voting for Bernie.

taxwonk 04-14-2016 08:35 AM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 500369)
I like this thinking, but I'm not sure I can tell my daughter I'm voting for Bernie.

Why, that's dangerous. Irresponsible. Crazy. Why on Earth would any right-thinking American ACTUALLY VOTE FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN?

Sidd Finch 04-14-2016 10:35 AM

Re: Is Ted Cruz or Donald Trump Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 500355)
Sure, but I meant music from people who live in Africa the continent, not the music from Americans whose ancestors were brought here in chains.

ETA: probably not "much" but you get the idea.

I think Wonk was pointing out a distinction between music that "included" Africans and music that was "influenced by" Africans. Graceland may have been the first US hit album that included Africans, but definitely not the first influenced by....

Sidd Finch 04-14-2016 10:38 AM

Re: Hilary had nothing to do with UBS
 
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Originally Posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone (Post 500354)
Though I will likely vote for my party's nominee, I'm with Wonk on this one. If you are in a state whose electoral votes are undeniably going one way or the other, I've got no problem considering my vote an act of self expression. You give me the write-in option, and I won't hesitate to use it under some circumstances.

If it's true that 70% of Sanders' supporters are being stupid like Wonk (his term), the only states in your "undeniably" category will be the solid red ones, not the blue

And if the nominee is Trump, even those states could be in play.

Sidd Finch 04-14-2016 10:40 AM

Re: Is Ted Cruz or Donald Trump Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 500357)
My real sweet spot is early Maytals, like From The Roots-era stuff. I know Matisyahu a bit, but only a bit. But you inspired me to see if there is any old Jewish funk for the Daily Dose. I did not look too hard. Mostly I found Jewish-themed parodies of Uptown Funk. I also found a song by a guy names Hebrew Rogers called "Can't Buy Soul." I dig it! So it is today's Daily Dose of Funk, because you can buy the presidency, but you can't buy soul:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMKyz7OX18g

This was the first post that tempted me to click the link. Which led me to clicking a few of the others. Good stuff, but a little too happy for this early in the morning.

Sidd Finch 04-14-2016 10:45 AM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 500370)
Why, that's dangerous. Irresponsible. Crazy. Why on Earth would any right-thinking American ACTUALLY VOTE FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN?

Ralph Nader 2000!



Those who continue to think that Clinton and Cruz are "pretty much the same" should watch the Scary Ted Cruz video that's making the rounds. It's some serious Jesus Waving A Fiery Sword kind of shit.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-14-2016 10:53 AM

Re: Hilary had nothing to do with UBS
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 500364)
I don't believe I ever actually said I was going to vote for Bernie. I merely said that, at a given point in time, he had some ideas I found more appealing than Hilary's on some issues I feel strongly about. If Hils can't win me over by November, my vote, which will be utterly meaningless no matter who I cast it for, down here in the belly of Southern Coastal Georgia, will be cast for either Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, or Jed Bartlett.

To be clear, I'm fine with people voting for Bernie who think he is the better candidate. I'm not fine with people doing the endless insubstantial smear on Hillary Clinton. It stunk when Gingrich did it, it stuck when Citizen's United did it, it stunk when Issa did it, and it stinks when Bernie supporters do it.

You looked at the UBS issue, one of the smears popular among the Berning Men, and concluded it was hokum, but then focused on pinning stuff relating to JP Morgan Chase on her. And from what you said about it, it all sounded like a bunch of thin reeds dealing with something well outside her portfoilo.

Vote for who you want. Waste your vote. But lay off the Citizens United echo chamber against Hill.

Adder 04-14-2016 10:53 AM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 500369)
I like this thinking, but I'm not sure I can tell my daughter I'm voting for Bernie.

Don't like that thinking at all. He's already done what he can to influence Hillary and the party to the left. You vote doesn't serve that cause, it just encourages the Bernie or Bust crowd.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-14-2016 11:54 AM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 500376)
Don't like that thinking at all. He's already done what he can to influence Hillary and the party to the left. You vote doesn't serve that cause, it just encourages the Bernie or Bust crowd.

To his version of the left, which is a protectionist, isolationist one, not an internationalist one.

ThurgreedMarshall 04-14-2016 12:13 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz or Donald Trump Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 500368)
None taken, considering the source.

And yes, TM, she was doable. Or at least she would have been had her husband not been sitting with her. Did I mention she was a drunk?

She sounds awesome.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 04-14-2016 12:20 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 500369)
I like this thinking, but I'm not sure I can tell my daughter I'm voting for Bernie.

This is a good article. Glad you shared it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 500370)
Why, that's dangerous. Irresponsible. Crazy. Why on Earth would any right-thinking American ACTUALLY VOTE FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN?

Don't miss the point of the article. This guy is talking about the primary.

TM


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