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Tyrone Slothrop 04-04-2009 04:09 PM

Re: You can't spell v-o-l-a-t-i-l-i-t-y with a "why?".
 
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Originally Posted by SlaveNoMore (Post 385927)
I'm really glad I've been to busy to post. Although it's often rare that I agree with TM these days, so maybe I should pay closer attention.

I'm not going back and reading all the who said what, etc., but let me add, from the trenches - and anyone but a Obama "Special Olympics gimp/idiot/whatever" knows I deal with this probably more than any of you.

The new FASB ruling killed about 4 prospective vuture funds I'm aware of, has everyone working this weekend re-modeling all of their Tier 2 and 3 assets, and has everyone in the industry salivating at paying back TARP early.

Ty - love you kid, but you have no effing clue what you are talking about here. Sorry.

Thank you sir, may I have another?

Tyrone Slothrop 04-06-2009 12:40 PM

Earthquake in Italy
 
This is strange:

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Weeks before the disaster, an Italian scientist had predicted a major quake around L'Aquila, based on concentrations of radon gas around seismically active areas.

Seismologist Gioacchino Giuliani was reported to police for "spreading alarm" and was forced to remove his findings from the Internet.

Civil Protection reassured locals at the end of March that tremors being felt were "absolutely normal" for a seismic area.
WaPo

Cletus Miller 04-06-2009 12:50 PM

Re: Earthquake in Italy
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 385977)
This is strange:



WaPo

Am I wrong in thinking that seismic activity in Italy is volcanic-related, rather than tectonic? If I'm not wrong, where are Pierce Brosnan and Anne Heche when Italy needs them?

futbol fan 04-06-2009 12:59 PM

Re: Earthquake in Italy
 
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Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 385982)
Am I wrong in thinking that seismic activity in Italy is volcanic-related, rather than tectonic? If I'm not wrong, where are Pierce Brosnan and Anne Heche when Italy needs them?

I know you can't post here unless you have independent expertise on the topic, and the internet doesn't count, but on the radio this morning I heard it explained that Italy is "splitting apart," with the Adriatic portion moving northeast, hence the earthquakes along the central mountain range, the name of which I have already forgotten. No need to thank me.

Tyrone Slothrop 04-06-2009 01:00 PM

Re: Earthquake in Italy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 385982)
Am I wrong in thinking that seismic activity in Italy is volcanic-related, rather than tectonic? If I'm not wrong, where are Pierce Brosnan and Anne Heche when Italy needs them?

I thought most volcanoes are where tectonic plates meet. Either way, surely Italy can always use more Anne Heche.

Hank Chinaski 04-06-2009 01:01 PM

Re: Earthquake in Italy
 
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Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 385982)
Am I wrong in thinking that seismic activity in Italy is volcanic-related, rather than tectonic? If I'm not wrong, where are Pierce Brosnan and Anne Heche when Italy needs them?

i believe there are quakes througout the coastal European countries. Plates are jamming into each other, maybe from Africa or Asia.

I believe that has been going on for a long time, but will reserve final judgement for now in case Ty can blog-prove cheney is somehow to blame.

Hank Chinaski 04-06-2009 01:03 PM

Re: Earthquake in Italy
 
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Originally Posted by ironweed (Post 385987)
I know you can't post here unless you have independent expertise on the topic, and the internet doesn't count, but on the radio this morning I heard it explained that Italy is "splitting apart," with the Adriatic portion moving northeast, hence the earthquakes along the central mountain range, the name of which I have already forgotten. No need to thank me.

a polite sock who insults another sock on one of the PB or FB would not insult the same sock on the other within the same day.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-06-2009 01:07 PM

Re: Earthquake in Italy
 
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Originally Posted by ironweed (Post 385987)
I know you can't post here unless you have independent expertise on the topic, and the internet doesn't count, but on the radio this morning I heard it explained that Italy is "splitting apart," with the Adriatic portion moving northeast, hence the earthquakes along the central mountain range, the name of which I have already forgotten. No need to thank me.

Damn.

I hope someone's monitoring that.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 04-06-2009 01:08 PM

Re: Earthquake in Italy
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 385977)
This is strange:



WaPo

Are you saying we need $140m for radon gas monitoring in addition to the $140m for lava flow monitoring?

Cletus Miller 04-06-2009 01:12 PM

Re: Earthquake in Italy
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 385988)
I thought most volcanoes are where tectonic plates meet. Either way, surely Italy can always use more Anne Heche.

Only ones I've actually been on aren't. Now I have to look ...

None of the plate maps show a plate boundary in Italy.

But the NASA map shows the Adriatic being squeezed b/t Italy and Greece, although still not a plate boundary. Interesting stuff.

Tyrone Slothrop 04-06-2009 01:48 PM

Re: Earthquake in Italy
 
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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 385992)
Are you saying we need $140m for radon gas monitoring in addition to the $140m for lava flow monitoring?

Maybe the guy is a crank who got lucky.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 04-06-2009 01:51 PM

Re: Earthquake in Italy
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 385999)
Maybe the guy is a crank who got lucky.

narrative fallacy?

Say he was right . . . what would it have gotten us? Everybody moves out until an earthquake hits?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-06-2009 02:05 PM

Re: Earthquake in Italy
 
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Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 385993)
Only ones I've actually been on aren't. Now I have to look ...

None of the plate maps show a plate boundary in Italy.

But the NASA map shows the Adriatic being squeezed b/t Italy and Greece, although still not a plate boundary. Interesting stuff.

I think Etna is a hot-spot, like Hawaii, not one of those subduction zone volcanos. I believe I learned this from the Magic School Bus.

In other news, did you know that if you go down into Etna, you can go through the Earth and come up in Iceland? Or maybe it's the other way around.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 04-06-2009 02:09 PM

Re: Earthquake in Italy
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 386002)

In other news, did you know that if you go down into Etna, you can go through the Earth and come up in Iceland? Or maybe it's the other way around.

So Iceland's financial crisis can be laid at the feet of the mafia?

taxwonk 04-06-2009 03:47 PM

Re: Earthquake in Italy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 385982)
Am I wrong in thinking that seismic activity in Italy is volcanic-related, rather than tectonic? If I'm not wrong, where are Pierce Brosnan and Anne Heche when Italy needs them?


It is generally volcanic in origin, hence the presence of radon gas being a predictor.

Adder 04-06-2009 03:54 PM

Porn
 
Perhaps this is the wrong board, but could the anti-porn guy in this online debate about the Univesity of Maryland porn kerfuffle had less to add to the discussion? "We should assume its obscene and all porn is inherently dangerous" are not terribly convincining arguments in a world where porn is readily accessible and widely consumed.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 04-06-2009 04:00 PM

Re: Porn
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 386010)
Perhaps this is the wrong board, but could the anti-porn guy in this online debate about the Univesity of Maryland porn kerfuffle had less to add to the discussion? "We should assume its obscene and all porn is inherently dangerous" are not terribly convincining arguments in a world where porn is readily accessible and widely consumed.

Maybe a world where porn is not readily accessible and widely consumed would be a lot nicer?

Sidd Finch 04-06-2009 04:01 PM

Re: Earthquake in Italy
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 385999)
Maybe the guy is a crank who got lucky.

That'd be my guess. Remember the guy who predicted SF's '89 quake --- and even jokingly suggested it would hit during the As/Giants world series game?

Sidd Finch 04-06-2009 04:03 PM

Re: Porn
 
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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 386017)
Maybe a world where porn is not readily accessible and widely consumed would be a lot nicer?

In what possible way?

Adder 04-06-2009 04:16 PM

Re: Porn
 
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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 386017)
Maybe a world where porn is not readily accessible and widely consumed would be a lot nicer?

Perhaps, but we will never know, both because of our pesky little constitution and because prohibition would never work.

Tyrone Slothrop 04-06-2009 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 386020)
In what possible way?

Pompeii had stone phalluses all over the place and got destroyed by a volcano.

Think. About. It.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 04-06-2009 04:21 PM

Re: We will never agree on this and therefore it is pointless to talk about!
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 386025)
Pompeii had stone phalluses all over the place and got destroyed by a volcano.

Think. About. It.

I think they should have listened to a crazy man with radon detectors.

Fugee 04-06-2009 04:37 PM

Re: Earthquake in Italy
 
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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 386003)
So Iceland's financial crisis can be laid at the feet of the mafia?

Brendan Fraser.

Sidd Finch 04-06-2009 04:41 PM

Re: We will never agree on this and therefore it is pointless to talk about!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 386025)
Pompeii had stone phalluses all over the place and got destroyed by a volcano.

Think. About. It.

Well, sure. You hear about that. You hear about Sodom. You hear about New Orleans. You hear about all the fun, porn-rich places getting demolished.

You don't hear much about the boring places -- but it's because they're boring, not because they don't face the occasional bout of Biblical wrath.

sebastian_dangerfield 04-06-2009 08:07 PM

Re: Porn
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 386020)
In what possible way?

Thank you. I was unable to form coherent thoughts when I first read that comment. The hyperventilating was making my hands shake. I needed someone to articulate my thoughts there concisely.

Hank Chinaski 04-06-2009 08:31 PM

Re: Porn
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 386057)
Thank you. I was unable to form coherent thoughts when I first read that comment. The hyperventilating was making my hands shake. I needed someone to articulate my thoughts there concisely.

how about this? when you were a kid and had a Penthouse under your mattress there was something exotic/magical about the thing. Do you think anyone today looks at porn as carrying any cache at all?

It's the difference between being one of the Wright brothers, and being on the 6:10 La Guardia to Reagan Delta shuttle flight.

sebastian_dangerfield 04-06-2009 08:43 PM

Re: Porn
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 386058)
how about this? when you were a kid and had a Penthouse under your mattress there was something exotic/magical about the thing. Do you think anyone today looks at porn as carrying any cache at all?

It's the difference between being one of the Wright brothers, and being on the 6:10 La Guardia to Reagan Delta shuttle flight.

Put me on the Concorde. It's my personal belief I should be able to see all women nude at least once. Even those you wouldn't think I'd want to (just out of curiosity).

But in fairness, you have a point on the hardcore stuff. There's definitely "too graphic," and that does kill the romance of the thing.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 04-06-2009 08:55 PM

Re: Porn
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 386059)

But in fairness, you have a point on the hardcore stuff. There's definitely "too graphic," and that does kill the romance of the thing.

Women prefer the softer porno. The women like something with more stories and costumes, that'll transport 'em to another place and time. That's right. Women don't like close-ups of oversized genitalia! That's just never gonna turn 'em on.

Atticus Grinch 04-06-2009 09:44 PM

Re: Porn
 
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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 386061)
Women prefer the softer porno. The women like something with more stories and costumes, that'll transport 'em to another place and time. That's right. Women don't like close-ups of oversized genitalia! That's just never gonna turn 'em on.

One of Flower's penises was 8 oz uncooked. Is that oversized?

sebastian_dangerfield 04-06-2009 10:26 PM

Re: Porn
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 386061)
Women prefer the softer porno. The women like something with more stories and costumes, that'll transport 'em to another place and time. That's right. Women don't like close-ups of oversized genitalia! That's just never gonna turn 'em on.

I draw the line at close-ups requiring speculums. But I do like to watch in something frilly.

Hank Chinaski 04-07-2009 12:07 AM

Re: Porn
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 386063)
One of Flower's penises was 8 oz uncooked. Is that oversized?

was?

taxwonk 04-07-2009 12:13 AM

Re: Porn
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 386066)
was?

I would think the "Uncooked" would have confirmed that for you.

Hank Chinaski 04-07-2009 12:35 AM

Re: Porn
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 386067)
I would think the "Uncooked" would have confirmed that for you.

ummm, maybe you forget, but flower makes sushi.

Atticus Grinch 04-07-2009 01:29 AM

Re: Porn
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 386010)
Perhaps this is the wrong board, but could the anti-porn guy in this online debate about the Univesity of Maryland porn kerfuffle had less to add to the discussion? "We should assume its obscene and all porn is inherently dangerous" are not terribly convincining arguments in a world where porn is readily accessible and widely consumed.

Assume for the moment that "contemporary community standards" are applied by a community other than the "users of the Internet" community. Exactly what part of the Miller test will be failed by a grainy, four minute clip of a sloppy blowjob by two anonymous actors working without plot, setting, theme or characterization?

I'm not saying I agree with the anti-porn guy, especially when it comes to Internet porn, but there's a lot in the First Amendment cases that give fodder to the view that sexual depictions are tolerated only by some communities and only when accompanied by some artistic or literary merit. Fifteen years ago, a college campus might very well have constituted a community whose standards (and feminist sympathies) were violated by one of those four-minute clips, yes?

Adder 04-07-2009 09:50 AM

Re: Porn
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 386073)
Assume for the moment that "contemporary community standards" are applied by a community other than the "users of the Internet" community. Exactly what part of the Miller test will be failed by a grainy, four minute clip of a sloppy blowjob by two anonymous actors working without plot, setting, theme or characterization?

I'm not saying I agree with the anti-porn guy, especially when it comes to Internet porn, but there's a lot in the First Amendment cases that give fodder to the view that sexual depictions are tolerated only by some communities and only when accompanied by some artistic or literary merit. Fifteen years ago, a college campus might very well have constituted a community whose standards (and feminist sympathies) were violated by one of those four-minute clips, yes?

"Users of the internet" is pretty nearly everyone these days, so I'm not sure how you can put aside something so pervasive. But even if you do, the paid consumption of porn on hotel entertainment systems alone is pretty significant.

But I don't know how you (or the anti-porn guy) can draw any conclusions about whether this film is obscene without having seen it. And, by the way, on the descriptions of the film in question, and the snippets of it that have actually appeared in local news reports, suggest that it isn't without plot, setting, theme or characterization.

But clearly I am not the right person to be making obscenity determinations, as I don't think anything is obscene. Or at least don't think that combatting the obscene is a good use of resources.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 04-07-2009 09:57 AM

Re: Porn
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 386073)
Fifteen years ago, a college campus might very well have constituted a community whose standards (and feminist sympathies) were violated by one of those four-minute clips, yes?

Has Catherine MacKinnon retired?

sebastian_dangerfield 04-07-2009 10:05 AM

Re: Porn
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 386073)
Assume for the moment that "contemporary community standards" are applied by a community other than the "users of the Internet" community. Exactly what part of the Miller test will be failed by a grainy, four minute clip of a sloppy blowjob by two anonymous actors working without plot, setting, theme or characterization?

I'm not saying I agree with the anti-porn guy, especially when it comes to Internet porn, but there's a lot in the First Amendment cases that give fodder to the view that sexual depictions are tolerated only by some communities and only when accompanied by some artistic or literary merit. Fifteen years ago, a college campus might very well have constituted a community whose standards (and feminist sympathies) were violated by one of those four-minute clips, yes?

Can I ask a couple dumb questions? Why is this debate being raised? Why are these kids doing this? (Other than usual college idiocy.)

I can't find a deeper back story explaining why these kids aren't just getting loaded and trying to have actual sex with each other like every other normal college kid in the country. And why is this idiot state legislator flipping out about this issue (Other than for political gain) when he ought to be laughing it off as silly college nonsense?

Whatever happened to defeating silly arguments by ignoring them? Is that a lost art?

ThurgreedMarshall 04-07-2009 10:14 AM

Re: You can't spell v-o-l-a-t-i-l-i-t-y with a "why?".
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 385921)
I understood TM to be posting the stock market's (supposed) reaction as evidence that the market saw and approved of FASB's action. I didn't see it that way, but that's why we were arguing about it as a sole cause.

This is a mischaracterization and complete bullshit.

TM

Adder 04-07-2009 10:14 AM

Re: Porn
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 386082)
Can I ask a couple dumb questions? Why is this debate being raised? Why are these kids doing this? (Other than usual college idiocy.)

Honestly, I'm not exactly sure why they planned the original screening.

Quote:

Whatever happened to defeating silly arguments by ignoring them? Is that a lost art?
Arguably, that is what the students did.

Tyrone Slothrop 04-07-2009 10:25 AM

Re: You can't spell v-o-l-a-t-i-l-i-t-y with a "why?".
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 386083)
This is a mischaracterization and complete bullshit.

I don't doubt that we were talking past each other, but I am just as happy to leave it at that.


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