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Replaced_Texan 04-18-2016 01:45 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 500422)
It will be interesting to see whether a stricter enforcement of policy changes the complexion of people in jails.

I'll bet those warnings without arrests are more often given to white boys in beemers than black kids in bucket-of-bolts old chevys.

It might be a good thing to force departments toward policies instead of discretion.

If any of our kids end up in jail, well, that'll just be collateral damage, no more outs for being part of the establishment.
This is one of the cops from the reddit thread:

Quote:
I understand where you're coming from, but I have only worked in acres homes, third ward, sunnyside, and greenspoint, so I have stopped exactly zero rich white kids in those neighborhoods in the last four years. I have spent more time and energy trying to talk low income black male juveniles who didn't have a record out of the path they were heading down which could've easily started with what I'd just pulled out of their pocket or sock. I see everyday what the lack of good decisionmaking and education has done to those young men and those neighborhoods, and to the guys in my unit, it's a very rare thing to encounter a young black man in those neighborhoods without a record, so when we do, and we have to power to keep him without a record, we try to keep it that way. We'd rather put the fear of god in him about what the future looks like if he doesn't stop doing stupid stuff and let him go than to book him and start him down a hole he can't climb out of. My partner, who is black, grew up in Acres Homes, and he's a great testament and eye opener to those early teenagers who are on the cusp of either keeping on the narrow path and making a success of themselves or going with the flow of the neighborhood and culture and joining the rest of their peers
And another.

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I'm all for more rich white kids going to jail. What will be a problem that impacts those non-rich white kids in the hood, and everyone else in the hood will be the taxing of resources. First, the jails will have a good deal more residents. Second, officers will be tied up DWI cases and marijuana cases, when they could be out finding those more dangerous criminals, harassing the dope dealers, and so on. It is a continual balancing act for officers that actually put in hard work.
You do not want to spend time away from your area processing a needless arrest, when you could be in the area deterring or responding a robbery crew or burglary crew that is wreaking havoc among those you are supposed to protect. So you let the joint go, or you let the old guy/dumb kid/single mom tow her car home or get a friend to pick them up.
This is what worries me the most, as our resources are already very taxed, and no authority in the department has addressed this.
He goes into a lot more detail in the thread.

Hank Chinaski 04-18-2016 01:59 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 500430)
This is one of the cops from the reddit thread:



And another.



He goes into a lot more detail in the thread.
It sounds like GGG will have his kids drive down there so a white kid could get arrested?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-18-2016 02:40 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 500428)
why do you assume the people let go are mostly white?
I just wanted to see this in all its glory.

You, Mr. Chinaski, are a very funny man.

Hank Chinaski 04-18-2016 02:46 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 500432)
I just wanted to see this in all its glory.

You, Mr. Chinaski, are a very funny man.
stp

Facts, like well intentioned liberals, are stupid things.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-18-2016 03:32 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 500433)
stp

Facts, like well intentioned liberals, are stupid things.
So you don't think white kids get let off more than black kids?

Of course stuff varies based on location, and there are lots of cops working very hard in every neighborhood to figure out how to balance a lot of different concerns. But overall?

Hank Chinaski 04-18-2016 03:43 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 500434)
So you don't think white kids get let off more than black kids?

Of course stuff varies based on location, and there are lots of cops working very hard in every neighborhood to figure out how to balance a lot of different concerns. But overall?
did you read this part?

“The race issue isn’t just that the judge is going, ‘Oh, black man, I’m gonna sentence you higher,’” she said. “The police go into low-income minority neighborhoods and that’s where they make most of their drug arrests. If they arrest you, now you have a ‘prior,’ so if you plead or get arrested again, you’re gonna have a higher sentence. There’s a kind of cumulative effect.”

The arrests happen where the police are, and the letting people off also happens where the police are. I suppose there is another type of "letting people off" which is they don't roam around my neighborhood looking to stop cars, but that ain't the type the cameras will impact.

Your article didn't talk about the other type of "letting white people off," that was your strawman, to the contrary. so according to your article, and the actual people who know what the fuck they are talking about (my lawyer and the Police RT cited) black kids are going to be impacted by the cameras negatively.

Perhaps there are ways to address that, I assume supervisors give police crap for letting someone go because they are judged on stats? Let's not judge supervisors on stats, but don't let your silly assumptions hurt the people you claim to want to help.

Adder 04-18-2016 04:05 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 500435)
The arrests happen where the police are, and the letting people off also happens where the police are.
Although they say a white person where the police are is particularly likely to be interpreted as suspicious.

Hank Chinaski 04-18-2016 04:20 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adder (Post 500436)
Although they say a white person where the police are is particularly likely to be interpreted as suspicious.
yes, my son was almost shot by NYPD for being in a neighborhood near Kennedy. but that means there aren't that many white people in that neighborhood. and also it seemed they were looking to bust people with small amounts. If he had bought something it didn't sound like he would have been let go.

Pretty Little Flower 04-18-2016 07:42 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 500437)
yes, my son was almost shot by NYPD for being in a neighborhood near Kennedy. but that means there aren't that many white people in that neighborhood. and also it seemed they were looking to bust people with small amounts. If he had bought something it didn't sound like he would have been let go.
I was at a TV on the Radio show in Manhattan a number of years back, and we went outside to roam among the smokers and engage in our own business. My friend convinced me it was "hiding in plain sight." The cop who approached us focused on the "in plain sight" part of the equation. He went easy on us, but with a body camera it night have been a different story? Anyhoo, here is Cymande again with just a super groovy groove. Today's Daily Dose is The Message:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO91BtMIciU

Hank Chinaski 04-18-2016 08:08 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 500438)
I was at a TV on the Radio show in Manhattan a number of years back, and we went outside to roam among the smokers and engage in our own business. My friend convinced me it was "hiding in plain sight." The cop who approached us focused on the "in plain sight" part of the equation. He went easy on us, but with a body camera it night have been a different story? Anyhoo, here is Cymande again with just a super groovy groove. Today's Daily Dose is The Message:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO91BtMIciU
is this new thing a sock trying to mock how ggg tries to imply street cred? cuz otherwise i don't get it.

Pretty Little Flower 04-18-2016 08:34 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 500424)
That was excellent.

For Punjabi jazz, here is Red Baraat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqmYpArvehc
Just getting back to some earlier posts. This is good stuff. It's like Rebirth Brass Band meets Panjabi MC but, like, different.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-18-2016 09:37 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 500438)
I was at a TV on the Radio show in Manhattan a number of years back, and we went outside to roam among the smokers and engage in our own business. My friend convinced me it was "hiding in plain sight." The cop who approached us focused on the "in plain sight" part of the equation. He went easy on us, but with a body camera it night have been a different story? Anyhoo, here is Cymande again with just a super groovy groove. Today's Daily Dose is The Message:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO91BtMIciU
very nice.

Not Bob 04-19-2016 07:56 AM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 500437)
yes, my son was almost shot by NYPD for being in a neighborhood near Kennedy. but that means there aren't that many white people in that neighborhood. and also it seemed they were looking to bust people with small amounts. If he had bought something it didn't sound like he would have been let go.
I don't know enough about how policing works in most places, but I think that your son's example (and Flower's below) shows how the same policy (attack street level vices - drugs, prostitution, public drinking, etc.) can play out differently in different parts of town. I'm not sure that race is the only factor in that difference, but I bet it is part of the calculus.

And it's not just a white cop/black kid issue - in Ta-Nehesi Coates' book "Between the World and Me," he talks about his friend who was shot and killed by a cop while "driving while black" in a new car at night in a middle class suburb of DC. Same old same old, right? But it was a majority black town and the cop was black. (Of course, the cop culture in some places cause even black cops internalize the racism - I think TM mentioned this before re TCOTU.)

I honestly don't know what the best answer is. I think that giving authority figures some discretion* can be a good thing, but it seems like body cameras will save people from being shot, beaten, or otherwise mistreated. That's a trade off that works for me, but I do appreciate that getting arrested for having a bag of weed could ruin the future of a kid who's stayed out of trouble in a place where that ain't easy.

I suppose the reality is that there will be negative implications from mandating body cameras, and it's foolish to pretend otherwise.

*This kind of reminds me of the unintended impact of some "zero tolerance" rules in schools, which (as Atticus used to remind us) forced school principals suspending students who have a steak knife in their car from the family move and who chew their sandwich into the shape if a pistol.

Adder 04-19-2016 10:36 AM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 500442)
And it's not just a white cop/black kid issue - in Ta-Nehesi Coates' book "Between the World and Me," he talks about his friend who was shot and killed by a cop while "driving while black" in a new car at night in a middle class suburb of DC. Same old same old, right? But it was a majority black town and the cop was black. (Of course, the cop culture in some places cause even black cops internalize the racism - I think TM mentioned this before re TCOTU.)
The Prince Jones case was all over the DC news at the time and it was strange to come across it in an entirely different context and perspective in TNC's book.

In a similar vein, I was talking with an AUSA this weekend who had just wrapped up a trial of an officer accused civil rights violations who agreed that there often is an issue of cultural that can overcome that the race of the cop.

Sidd Finch 04-19-2016 10:51 AM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 500440)
Just getting back to some earlier posts. This is good stuff. It's like Rebirth Brass Band meets Panjabi MC but, like, different.
Flower liked my music tip.

I feel like one of the cool kids....

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-19-2016 11:24 AM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 500439)
is this new thing a sock trying to mock how ggg tries to imply street cred? cuz otherwise i don't get it.
fyi, Flower owns the music posting on poli-board thing. I'm just a licensee.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-19-2016 11:27 AM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adder (Post 500443)
The Prince Jones case was all over the DC news at the time and it was strange to come across it in an entirely different context and perspective in TNC's book.

In a similar vein, I was talking with an AUSA this weekend who had just wrapped up a trial of an officer accused civil rights violations who agreed that there often is an issue of cultural that can overcome that the race of the cop.
The thing no one wants to admit is that while yeah, we love all cops, they're wonderful as a group, when you get down to it, cops range from great to mediocre and its a huge management issue with a group that is often very self-protective to weed out rather than carry the mediocre.

That's separate from issues in the court system which I think are very different, because there is often a bigger class and race difference between judges and the judged than between the cops and the policed.*

*YMMV here, there are certainly some places where there is still a huge racial divide between police and the policed.

ThurgreedMarshall 04-19-2016 12:27 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 500419)
my exchange with a top crim lawyer on why a cop would be bothered-

ME:
Okay, free legal work- I read a police talking about his feeling about how he now had to wear a body camera. He worked "gang drug" busts. He felt the camera would hamper him because he pulls people over every day that have a small amount of drugs and lets them go. He takes the dope and warns them but no arrest. He is after people with weight- he felt the camera will make it harder to let people go, but did not explain why. Any idea? The film of people he lets go will be used to create a bias argument?

ACTUAL TOP LAWYER:
He is absolutely correct. And it has nothing to do with a "bias argument". It has to do with problems with his supervisors at the department. If they see that he let someone go, they will want an explanation, blah, blah, blah. And he will get sick of that. I have said since all this stuff started that way fewer people are going to catch a break from the cops, even for traffic violations because of potential problems with supervisors, etc.
What is this "catch a break from cops" concept of which you speak?

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 04-19-2016 12:28 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 500422)
It will be interesting to see whether a stricter enforcement of policy changes the complexion of people in jails.

I'll bet those warnings without arrests are more often given to white boys in beemers than black kids in bucket-of-bolts old chevys.

It might be a good thing to force departments toward policies instead of discretion.

If any of our kids end up in jail, well, that'll just be collateral damage, no more outs for being part of the establishment.
This. All day.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 04-19-2016 12:32 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 500428)
the quote was from a guy whose knowledge would come from Detroit Police. The department is so high percentage black that it has been sued for discrimination by whites. why do you assume the people let go are mostly white?
Are you kidding with this? You need to amend your post to say, "In the very specific instance I was referring to, why would you assume the people let go are mostly white?"

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrymple...awa#.cjLVPKolj

TM

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-19-2016 12:38 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500448)
What is this "catch a break from cops" concept of which you speak?

TM
It's something most of us experienced as kids. I certainly had a few "issues" that ended without incident.

I do have a record, though. Got that mostly from strikes and demonstrations.

ThurgreedMarshall 04-19-2016 12:47 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 500431)
It sounds like GGG will have his kids drive down there so a white kid could get arrested?
You're starting to piss me off. Do you not think white kids drive to those neighborhoods to cop? You think those white kids get arrested when the cops witness them in a hand-to-hand?

Clearly there is something to be said for good cops who are not interested in ruining lives being able to exercise their discretion. But you're making it sound like cops do not exercise their discretion overwhelmingly in favor of whites right now because you have examples of a couple of good cops who exercise in favor of minor shit in black neighborhoods. If you're going to take this tack, I suggest you post some numbers on the number of bullshit stops & arrests and cops planting shit and cop violence based on what they view as disrespect, etc. so that we can all compare and contrast what the greater danger is.

And Sidd is right. The problem is the fucking legislative approach in which punishments for drug possession (not distribution) are set up to destroy lives. Hell, white kids aren't being stopped at all in their neighborhoods, so this may not even affect them. And they do drugs at the exact same rates as everyone else.

TM

Hank Chinaski 04-19-2016 12:52 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500453)
You're starting to piss me off. Do you not think white kids drive to those neighborhoods to cop? You think those white kids get arrested when the cops witness them in a hand-to-hand?

Clearly there is something to be said for good cops who are not interested in ruining lives being able to exercise their discretion. But you're making it sound like cops do not exercise their discretion overwhelmingly in favor of whites right now because you have examples of a couple of good cops who exercise in favor of minor shit in black neighborhoods. If you're going to take this tack, I suggest you post some numbers on the number of bullshit stops & arrests and cops planting shit and cop violence based on what they view as disrespect, etc. so that we can all compare and contrast what the greater danger is.

And Sidd is right. The problem is the fucking legislative approach in which punishments for drug possession (not distribution) are set up to destroy lives. Hell, white kids aren't being stopped at all in their neighborhoods, so this may not even affect them. And they do drugs at the exact same rates as everyone else.

TM
i kind of agreed with everything you said if you read it all. My example was black cops in a very high % black populated city. I have no idea if they let white kids go at a higher rate. The thing I do not get is why supervisors care if they let people go. Body cams seem a very good idea. There should be a way to make it work w/o the downside.

ThurgreedMarshall 04-19-2016 12:59 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 500435)
so according to your article, and the actual people who know what the fuck they are talking about (my lawyer and the Police RT cited) black kids are going to be impacted by the cameras negatively.
You have limited the universe of "people who know what the fuck they are talking about" to suit your argument.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 04-19-2016 01:01 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 500437)
If he had bought something it didn't sound like he would have been let go.
Oh. Well, that settles it. If it didn't sound like it, then let's move on to the next topic. Thanks.

Jesus fucking Christ.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 04-19-2016 01:14 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 500454)
i kind of agreed with everything you said if you read it all. My example was black cops in a very high % black populated city. I have no idea if they let white kids go at a higher rate. The thing I do not get is why supervisors care if they let people go. Body cams seem a very good idea. There should be a way to make it work w/o the downside.
Sorry. I really just saw you focusing extremely hard on repercussions in high minority areas. And the fact that cops will have to arrest blacks they catch with a small amount of drugs seems like a minor issue given the bullshit black people endure in their own neighborhoods (and let's not even mention black experiences in white neighborhoods).

TM

Hank Chinaski 04-19-2016 01:15 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500455)
You have limited the universe of "people who know what the fuck they are talking about" to suit your argument.

TM
I'm not trying to do a head count. I agree/accept there is a very big "white people let go" because we don't have the police presence and don't get pulled over in the first place. I can accept that once detained we also have a greater chance of being let go. If that is still true when the cop is black I think it's weird, but ok. This whole thing started with people saying "I'm okay with those white people who were being let go being arrested to let the cams be used." I merely pointed out that it isn't only white people being let go. If you are trying to argue anything else, I am not sure where you get it from. And here for you, #crimeswhitesgetawaywith in college I tried to steal a 12 pack of beer from a 7/11 and the clerk grabbed me- I shoved him and ran. And when I heard people say the cop in Ferguson was right because that young man did something similar I would tell that story.

ThurgreedMarshall 04-19-2016 02:02 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 500458)
If that is still true when the cop is black I think it's weird, but ok.
It's almost like you never saw Boys n tha Hood.

This isn't a new phenomenon. Self-hate (think about what types of black people might want to become police officers*) combined with the thin blue line mentality results in this being a real problem.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 500458)
And here for you, #crimeswhitesgetawaywith in college I tried to steal a 12 pack of beer from a 7/11 and the clerk grabbed me- I shoved him and ran. And when I heard people say the cop in Ferguson was right because that young man did something similar I would tell that story.
#NeverForget

TM

*LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE A BLANKET STATEMENT ACCUSING ALL BLACK POLICE OFFICERS--THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF WHOM I'M SURE HAVE THE BEST POSSIBLE INTENTIONS OF PROTECTING AND SERVING COMMUNITIES WHICH SUFFER FROM MINORITY POLICER OFFICER UNDERREPRESENTATION--OF HATING THEMSELVES AND EXERCISING THAT HATE ON THE BLACK COMMUNITY.

Not Bob 04-19-2016 02:05 PM
It's not often easy and it's not often kind.
 
This from John Hodgman is a pretty good essay on why someone who likes Bernie Sanders might still decide to vote for Hillary Clinton.

I encourage Wonk and my niece attending grad school who was pissed when Hillary won the primary in her home state to read and consider it.

Pretty Little Flower 04-19-2016 03:36 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500460)
It's almost like you never saw Boys n tha Hood.

This isn't a new phenomenon. Self-hate (think about what types of black people might want to become police officers*) combined with the thin blue line mentality results in this being a real problem.
"At any level the worst devil is a black one
And if you see one you gots to attack 'um
One day, I had the cell lit, up on Lewis Park
Cool Al appears, backs up, fresh Clarks
It's a hot day, black, and the sun's beamin' down
But I gotta get on the ground?
You're sworn to whitey, do you think that you're mighty?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28Ks5Z1Uj6g

"But don't let it be a black and a white one
Cause they'll slam ya down to the street top
Black police showing out for the white cop"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jOqOlETcRU

ThurgreedMarshall 04-19-2016 03:44 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 500467)
"At any level the worst devil is a black one
And if you see one you gots to attack 'um
One day, I had the cell lit, up on Lewis Park
Cool Al appears, backs up, fresh Clarks
It's a hot day, black, and the sun's beamin' down
But I gotta get on the ground?
You're sworn to whitey, do you think that you're mighty?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28Ks5Z1Uj6g

"But don't let it be a black and a white one
Cause they'll slam ya down to the street top
Black police showing out for the white cop"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jOqOlETcRU
Brand Nubian (after Puba, left, even). Nicely done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RgujsIb7RY

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 04-19-2016 04:49 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 500446)
The thing no one wants to admit is that while yeah, we love all cops, they're wonderful as a group, when you get down to it, cops range from great to mediocre and its a huge management issue with a group that is often very self-protective to weed out rather than carry the mediocre.

That's separate from issues in the court system which I think are very different, because there is often a bigger class and race difference between judges and the judged than between the cops and the policed.*

*YMMV here, there are certainly some places where there is still a huge racial divide between police and the policed.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/15/op...smtyp=cur&_r=0

TM

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-19-2016 04:59 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500470)
Yeah, I think of NY and Cleveland as other cities with some clearly demonstrated institutional problems.

But it can and does happen anywhere.

Pretty Little Flower 04-19-2016 09:43 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 500471)
Yeah, I think of NY and Cleveland as other cities with some clearly demonstrated institutional problems.

But it can and does happen anywhere.
"I get laid by the ladies, ya know I'm in charge
Both how I'm living and my nose is large"

Did you know that the Humpty Dance was the second time Shock G's alternate persona, Humpty Hump, appeared in a song?

Did you know that Tupac was in Digital Underground when they put out the Humpty Dance?

Did you know that one of the samples used in the song was from a 1973 Vibrettes song called the Humpty Dump?

Droppin' knowledge, it's your Daily Dose:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHYq204pEXc

ThurgreedMarshall 04-20-2016 09:57 AM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 500473)
"I get laid by the ladies, ya know I'm in charge
Both how I'm living and my nose is large"

Did you know that the Humpty Dance was the second time Shock G's alternate persona, Humpty Hump, appeared in a song?

Did you know that Tupac was in Digital Underground when they put out the Humpty Dance?

Did you know that one of the samples used in the song was from a 1973 Vibrettes song called the Humpty Dump?

Droppin' knowledge, it's your Daily Dose:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHYq204pEXc
He wasn't really in Digital Underground. He was a dancer.

When Same Song came out (connected to that awful Chase/Ackroid/Candy movie,* Nothing But Trouble), Tupac blew me away. Average song, but they gave Tupac like 10 bars. I must have rewound just that part a hundred times and still have it memorized. He said in an interview that he wasn't going to let that opportunity go by, so he packed as many words into those 10 bars as he could.

https://youtu.be/3cyfV7mllWo?t=2m11s

TM

*Who knew that was even possible, but what a piece of shit that movie was.

ThurgreedMarshall 04-20-2016 10:07 AM
Independents
 
Can someone fill me in on why people think it's unfair to restrict voting in Democratic primaries to registered Democrats (freezing out Independents)? I understand why someone would think it was unfair to keep people from switching their registration, but if you are an Independent, aren't you essentially saying you don't to be involved with one party? Or is the argument that they should have the freedom to influence whatever party they're leaning towards that year?

TM

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-20-2016 10:39 AM
Re: Independents
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500475)
Can someone fill me in on why people think it's unfair to restrict voting in Democratic primaries to registered Democrats (freezing out Independents)? I understand why someone would think it was unfair to keep people from switching their registration, but if you are an Independent, aren't you essentially saying you don't to be involved with one party? Or is the argument that they should have the freedom to influence whatever party they're leaning towards that year?

TM
In good pb fashion, I won't answer your question but make a comment on it instead.

The debate we always had when I was a party minion was whether it helps more to build the party to make people join if they want to vote in the primary or to have them take the lesser step of identifying with the party by voting in its primary even if not a member. I like what we have in Mass. - it's an open primary, but once you take a ballot you become registered in the party and have to unregister if you don't want to be part of it.

To me, the question is not "what's more democratic" - that is silly, there is nothing undemocratic about a party nomination being made by party members - but "what builds the party better". Of course, if you have no commitment to the party, you don't like my question.

But what's going on now isn't about what anyone thinks the right answer is. It is just about what Bernie can whine about in hopes of finding some traction. It's just political gaming.

Not Bob 04-20-2016 10:41 AM
Re: Independents
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500475)
Can someone fill me in on why people think it's unfair to restrict voting in Democratic primaries to registered Democrats (freezing out Independents)? I understand why someone would think it was unfair to keep people from switching their registration, but if you are an Independent, aren't you essentially saying you don't to be involved with one party? Or is the argument that they should have the freedom to influence whatever party they're leaning towards that year?

TM
I get the argument that the deadline in New York for changing party registration was too long ago (October for an April primary? That is pretty crazy). I don't understand the other argument - maybe because I've never lived in an open primary state. I mean, doesn't it make sense that the people who are registered Republicans should be the ones choosing* who will have the "R" next to her name in the general election?

And some states have a history in which bosses (of both major parties) would use late registration deadlines to have their supporters register for an upstart party and take control of it to endorse the candidate slate picked by the boss. I'm pretty sure that that was a favorite tactic of Tammany Hall and the O'Connell machines on the Democratic side and Frank Hague on the GOP side. I think we don't need to have a six month delay to prevent that from happening, but anyway.

A bigger issue is the inability of people registered as independents or with "no party affiliation" to vote in local or state primary elections - I've lived in places where one didn't have a vote in who was going to be on the school board or who would become the county sheriff if you weren't a registered Republican (and I'm sure the reverse is true in lots of places in California, New York, and Massachusetts). That's a bigger problem, in my view, than in not being able to vote for Trump or Sanders in a presidential primary.

*Leaving aside the whole "who picks the delegates to the nominating convention and who decides who the delegates vote for at said convention and for how many ballots" issue, of course.

Sidd Finch 04-20-2016 10:47 AM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500474)
He wasn't really in Digital Underground. He was a dancer.

When Same Song came out (connected to that awful Chase/Ackroid/Candy movie,* Nothing But Trouble), Tupac blew me away. Average song, but they gave Tupac like 10 bars. I must have rewound just that part a hundred times and still have it memorized. He said in an interview that he wasn't going to let that opportunity go by, so he packed as many words into those 10 bars as he could.

https://youtu.be/3cyfV7mllWo?t=2m11s

TM

*Who knew that was even possible, but what a piece of shit that movie was.

That was an excellent clip. Tupac was such a genius.

Sidd Finch 04-20-2016 10:49 AM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
So, it turns out that using the name of a large state as an insult isn't the best way to secure votes in that state. Who knew?


Has anyone heard from SEC Chick? I worry.


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