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ferrets_bueller 02-23-2018 12:11 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
My responses to sebby:

1. I should have been clearer: I advocate civil liability only for gun sellers who do not run background checks.

2. One of the tired lines I hear from NRA types is "Gun control? Sure. You control your gun and I'll control mine." Well, fine then. If you own a gun, secure it, control it, and make sure it isn't used in a crime. Take out insurance, and demonstrate to the insurer's satisfaction that you do so. Take the responsibility we place on car owners when they give the keys to a drunk. Enact statutes that require you to control your weapon or pay the consequences.

3. A full ban on assault weapons is way overdue. Take the issue head on; we are essentially in agreement.

4. The "purple states" are ripe for the picking on this issue. Politicians are going to have to walk away from either (a) the NRA or (b)what may become a mass movement of soon-to-be-young-voters.

ThurgreedMarshall 02-23-2018 01:10 PM

Re: For TM
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 513488)
So I used "He can suck all the dicks" during a meeting last week.

I know it's not yours. But thank you. Yes, it's obvious. But still, so effective.

If you used it in a meeting, you deserve all the credit.

TM

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 02-23-2018 01:22 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 513499)
People do use those for legitimate target shooting, and because it makes them feel safe. The biggest clips hold less than a dozen bullets. I can live with that risk. It seems very unlike an assault rifle to me. But yes, I do agree - the belief a gun will save your life is 99.9 percent fantasy. Hence, I don't own one and never will (unless this country goes full Thunderdome... and even then, I'll probably move to another country rather than arm myself).

There are plenty of mags for semi-automatic handguns that hold 30+ bullets. The biggest difference between them and the semi- rifles have to do with bullet speed, range, and accuracy. There are plenty of ways that you can walk into a classroom carrying as much firepower in semi- handguns as you have with an AR-15. After all, it's easier to carry a half dozen of them all easily accessible in a vest.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 02-23-2018 01:24 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ferrets_bueller (Post 513501)
My responses to sebby:

1. I should have been clearer: I advocate civil liability only for gun sellers who do not run background checks.

2. One of the tired lines I hear from NRA types is "Gun control? Sure. You control your gun and I'll control mine." Well, fine then. If you own a gun, secure it, control it, and make sure it isn't used in a crime. Take out insurance, and demonstrate to the insurer's satisfaction that you do so. Take the responsibility we place on car owners when they give the keys to a drunk. Enact statutes that require you to control your weapon or pay the consequences.

3. A full ban on assault weapons is way overdue. Take the issue head on; we are essentially in agreement.

4. The "purple states" are ripe for the picking on this issue. Politicians are going to have to walk away from either (a) the NRA or (b)what may become a mass movement of soon-to-be-young-voters.


I endorse all of this. The last thing the gun-nuts want is to be held responsible for how they keep and use their guns, even though they always argue about how great they are at taking care with them.

ferrets_bueller 02-23-2018 01:34 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
GGG:
You are correct about the ability to carry huge amount of ammunition for a semi automatic. However limiting the magazine capacity gives you a brief moment to run or fight.

In combat, I had a semiautomatic, modified M-14 with a 20 round clip. I was taught to count my own shots so that when I got to 16 or 17, I would pause if possible, get the next mag ready, and then switch. You didn't want to be flat ass empty when you needed to switch out. In like fashion, if you hear an automatic burst, or hear a pause in a semiautomatic burst, you may want to take that opportunity to recon quickly, with a view toward moving to a position with m ore advantage. More mag switches mean more opportunities to move.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 02-23-2018 02:18 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ferrets_bueller (Post 513505)
GGG:
You are correct about the ability to carry huge amount of ammunition for a semi automatic. However limiting the magazine capacity gives you a brief moment to run or fight.

In combat, I had a semiautomatic, modified M-14 with a 20 round clip. I was taught to count my own shots so that when I got to 16 or 17, I would pause if possible, get the next mag ready, and then switch. You didn't want to be flat ass empty when you needed to switch out. In like fashion, if you hear an automatic burst, or hear a pause in a semiautomatic burst, you may want to take that opportunity to recon quickly, with a view toward moving to a position with m ore advantage. More mag switches mean more opportunities to move.


But if you're carrying multiple weapons, you may just need to pull a new one out not switch the mag, right?

I have recently run into a vest set-up that would carry and make accessible up to 8 handguns. That's scary shit. The Sandy Hook shooter used two handguns and a rifle. The Pulse nightclub shooter used a rifle and a handgun.

ferrets_bueller 02-23-2018 02:30 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Sure. But ANY time gap is better than none, so limiting magazine capacity from the current standard of 30 rounds would be an improvement.

There are legitimate reasons, I suppose, for 10 round magazines. A mag holding 30 rounds is just a weapon of indiscriminate mass destruction.

I have no doubt that the NRA will pimp ways to empower their more goonish members and the mentally unstable, (to the extent a Venn diagram draws a distinction between the two) with the ability to commit mass murder. From now on, every time technology has a "bumpstock" moment, it needs to be banned.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 02-23-2018 02:46 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ferrets_bueller (Post 513507)
Sure. But ANY time gap is better than none, so limiting magazine capacity from the current standard of 30 rounds would be an improvement.

There are legitimate reasons, I suppose, for 10 round magazines. A mag holding 30 rounds is just a weapon of indiscriminate mass destruction.

I have no doubt that the NRA will pimp ways to empower their more goonish members and the mentally unstable, (to the extent a Venn diagram draws a distinction between the two) with the ability to commit mass murder. From now on, every time technology has a "bumpstock" moment, it needs to be banned.

Agreed. Get it all down to 10 rounds and lives will be saved.

I guess a 30 round mag is useful in case your home is invaded by a well-armed squad from the warring drug ring, but in those cases you're probably best off just retreating upstairs and sticking your nose into the whole damn pile of coke.

sebastian_dangerfield 02-23-2018 02:52 PM

Re: For TM
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 513502)
If you used it in a meeting, you deserve all the credit.

TM

All dudes. But still, I've rarely gotten laughs like that.

Just popped into my head. This place does that sometimes.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 02-23-2018 04:55 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 513496)
When you're in Mexico, do you sleep until noon before heading down for some heuvos rancheros, espresso, and a bloody Mary?

I'm over 40. I can't sleep past 7 even if I try.

Replaced_Texan 02-23-2018 06:45 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 513508)
Agreed. Get it all down to 10 rounds and lives will be saved.

I guess a 30 round mag is useful in case your home is invaded by a well-armed squad from the warring drug ring, but in those cases you're probably best off just retreating upstairs and sticking your nose into the whole damn pile of coke.

Seems to me there should be some sort of negligent homicide charge / gross negligence suit with strict liability standard on the owner of any gun that kills a kid under, say, 10.

Tyrone Slothrop 02-24-2018 06:04 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ferrets_bueller (Post 513493)
If I may veer away from sebby's economics-metaphyics:

The Florida School shooting might just be a tipping point. Scalia's preposterous notion that assault weapons are something the Second Amendment allows everyone to own looks rockier than it has in years.
The NRA is looking a tad vulnerable. Having Trump, with all his baggage, as the defender of essentially unlimited gun ownership doesn't help the NRA position. So, in no particular order:

1. No private gun sales to people who haven't passed a background check. Criminal penalties and civil liability to the seller when the gun is used in a crime.

2. Civil liability for gun owners if a weapon they own is used in a crime. Try getting insurance for that one.

3. A broad based assault weapon ban, a 10 round maximum clip for bullets. Listen up: That includes currently owned assault weapons. If you can ban M-60 machine guns, you can ban M-16s. If we have to pry 'em from their cold dead hands, do it. Alternatively, allow these weapons only on private property, and require transport of those weapons to be in a disassembled state. Criminal penalties for violation. Defend your castle, but don't bring that weapon out in public. To the assertion that this would require the ban on thousands of different types of weapons, I respond: So what?

4. What happened to Rubio has to happen to every spineless political gasbag. People have to point at Rubio, in public, and tell him and others like him that half measures won't work because they are doomed to failure. Tell them that if they don't commit to a broad solution, every high school student who thinks they are wrong will make them pay politically, and drive them out of office.

5. Target politicians who are the worst NRA flag waivers. Use their own words against them. Run the mothers and siblings of victims against them. Expose them for the accomplices of murder that they are. Pick a Congressman who supports some of the idiotic positions recently taken by the NRA and force them to run on that record.

6. I'll be the old fart at the March 24 march on Washington carrying a "Combat vets against combat weapons" sign

Anyone who wants one can have a flintlock rifle, but they have to muster for militia drill every Saturday morning at 6:30 am at the high school field. No guns for anyone else.

Icky Thump 02-24-2018 09:17 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ferrets_bueller (Post 513501)
My responses to sebby:

1. I should have been clearer: I advocate civil liability only for gun sellers who do not run background checks.

2. One of the tired lines I hear from NRA types is "Gun control? Sure. You control your gun and I'll control mine." Well, fine then. If you own a gun, secure it, control it, and make sure it isn't used in a crime. Take out insurance, and demonstrate to the insurer's satisfaction that you do so. Take the responsibility we place on car owners when they give the keys to a drunk. Enact statutes that require you to control your weapon or pay the consequences.

3. A full ban on assault weapons is way overdue. Take the issue head on; we are essentially in agreement.

4. The "purple states" are ripe for the picking on this issue. Politicians are going to have to walk away from either (a) the NRA or (b)what may become a mass movement of soon-to-be-young-voters.

This. The 2d Amdt. Says "well-regulated." Has to mean at least as regulated as a car. Every gun has to be registered with a million per occurrence policy.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 02-25-2018 04:46 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 513568)
Seems to me there should be some sort of negligent homicide charge / gross negligence suit with strict liability standard on the owner of any gun that kills a kid under, say, 10.

I'd be fine with strict liability for any unsecured gun.

You know, if we had that, smart gun technology would take off, and deaths would plummet.

Tyrone Slothrop 02-26-2018 11:35 AM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 513571)
I'd be fine with strict liability for any unsecured gun.

You know, if we had that, smart gun technology would take off, and deaths would plummet.

How about a registry (blockchain!) for guns, with the last legit owner bearing strict liability for misuse?

Tyrone Slothrop 02-26-2018 01:40 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Meanwhile, in Australia: Former Freemason, 51, found drunk and naked inside a huge pipe organ with a toy gun and remote-controlled police car says he got lost while trying to hand out cheeseburgers to the homeless.

Replaced_Texan 02-26-2018 01:54 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
So there's been drama in Houston regarding one of our congressional primary races.

On Friday, the DCCC decided to publish their opposition research on one of the candidates running for what everyone thinks might be a swing district Texas-07. This Progressive candidate founded Daily Action right after the 2016 election, a text service that connects Progressives with their representatives on specific issues. She also moved to Texas from DC right before announcing her candidacy, but she grew up in Houston and her parents live here. Her husband was Barack Obama's videographer from 2007 until I think 2011 or so, and he's now a partner in a political media company. I believe they worked on the Sanders campaign (among others). She's been a writer and they have two kids (one of whom threw a temper tantrum right before the White House seder in front of the President a few years back).

There are seven candidates running, and there will be most definitely be a runoff. Until recently the DCCC favored candidate and the Emily's List endorsed candidate have risen to the top in terms of fundraising, but the Progressive has been surging in 2018 dollars raised. And she says this brouhaha has generated a lot more in donations.

The general word on the street is that this race is too dear to the Democrats to end up in the hands of a Progressive with baggage. As a writer who wasn't thinking of a political career, there is probably a lot (more*) out there that she's said that could be problematic to justify. Additionally, the relationship with her husband's media company has come up. Her FCC filings have shown her campaign has paid them about $50,000.

It's one of the districts that voted for Hilary but also retained their Republican Congressman John Culberson. (I used to live in the district until the lines were redrawn in 2013. I'm now in CD2, with a retiring Republican candidate and nine Republicans and five Democrats running.) It's a very diverse district, and it's been changing rapidly over the years. It's probably a centrist district, and it hasn't had a serious Democratic contender in years. Early voting has been going on for about a week now, so ballots have been cast well before this memo hit. Democrats are voting in record numbers right now in the early voting, and the actual primary is March 6.

Complicating this even more (for me only), the little girl throwing the temper tantrum in front of the President was named after my sister. Laura and Claudia were best friends in high school, and they've been as close as high school friends who live in different cities (until now) can be as adults. AND the Emily's list endorsed candidate was one of my brother's best friends in high school. They sort of drifted after high school, but kept more or less aware of each other until three or four years ago, when they were both on the board of an arts organization together and started hanging out again. Now, my brother is actively campaigning for one, and my sister for the other. (None of them live in the district either. One is in the 18th and the other is in the 29th. We live four miles apart and are in three separate districts, with another two blocks from my house. Gotta love gerrymandering.) I know one of the other candidates peripherally, and another ALSO went to our high school, but I don't know him. I've stayed the hell out of it, saying that I'll support whoever emerges after the primary.

What I don't get is what the fuck the DCCC is doing. This has done nothing for any of the other candidates but it has elevated Laura. I thought she was hitting desperation time because she brought in Hollywood types to campaign for her at the last minute, but events that weren't getting much traction suddenly are filling up because people are so pissed about the DCCC hit. Every article has only talked about Laura, not the others. I don't know if any locals were consulted before they decided to make their hit, but it's backfired. And it's shitty, because if she emerges, she's going to have hits from both sides and it's probably going to lose the district. If she's in the runoff, the other Democrat is going to have to hit her as hard as possible with this stuff, and anything else dug up. And Culberson is probably begging for her to win so he can take hits at her. I told my sister to give as much support to her friend as she can, because she's going to need it. I don't disagree that the stuff brought up by the DCCC needs to be addressed, but it should have come out months ago, not while voting is going on.

Every time the DCCC calls me asking for donations, I tell them to pound sand because until now, they've shown no interest whastsoever in Texas. Now, I want them to go away.

*The DCCC cites a Slate article she wrote that says she'd rather have her teeth pulled without anesthesia than move to Paris, Texas.

Adder 02-26-2018 02:17 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
The most puzzling things is if that's all ya got, why even bother? A clearly out of context quote about one town and a bit of run-of-the-mill self-dealing? How did you think that would work?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 02-26-2018 02:47 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 513574)
So there's been drama in Houston regarding one of our congressional primary races.

On Friday, the DCCC decided to publish their opposition research on one of the candidates running for what everyone thinks might be a swing district Texas-07. This Progressive candidate founded Daily Action right after the 2016 election, a text service that connects Progressives with their representatives on specific issues. She also moved to Texas from DC right before announcing her candidacy, but she grew up in Houston and her parents live here. Her husband was Barack Obama's videographer from 2007 until I think 2011 or so, and he's now a partner in a political media company. I believe they worked on the Sanders campaign (among others). She's been a writer and they have two kids (one of whom threw a temper tantrum right before the White House seder in front of the President a few years back).

There are seven candidates running, and there will be most definitely be a runoff. Until recently the DCCC favored candidate and the Emily's List endorsed candidate have risen to the top in terms of fundraising, but the Progressive has been surging in 2018 dollars raised. And she says this brouhaha has generated a lot more in donations.

The general word on the street is that this race is too dear to the Democrats to end up in the hands of a Progressive with baggage. As a writer who wasn't thinking of a political career, there is probably a lot (more*) out there that she's said that could be problematic to justify. Additionally, the relationship with her husband's media company has come up. Her FCC filings have shown her campaign has paid them about $50,000.

It's one of the districts that voted for Hilary but also retained their Republican Congressman John Culberson. (I used to live in the district until the lines were redrawn in 2013. I'm now in CD2, with a retiring Republican candidate and nine Republicans and five Democrats running.) It's a very diverse district, and it's been changing rapidly over the years. It's probably a centrist district, and it hasn't had a serious Democratic contender in years. Early voting has been going on for about a week now, so ballots have been cast well before this memo hit. Democrats are voting in record numbers right now in the early voting, and the actual primary is March 6.

Complicating this even more (for me only), the little girl throwing the temper tantrum in front of the President was named after my sister. Laura and Claudia were best friends in high school, and they've been as close as high school friends who live in different cities (until now) can be as adults. AND the Emily's list endorsed candidate was one of my brother's best friends in high school. They sort of drifted after high school, but kept more or less aware of each other until three or four years ago, when they were both on the board of an arts organization together and started hanging out again. Now, my brother is actively campaigning for one, and my sister for the other. (None of them live in the district either. One is in the 18th and the other is in the 29th. We live four miles apart and are in three separate districts, with another two blocks from my house. Gotta love gerrymandering.) I know one of the other candidates peripherally, and another ALSO went to our high school, but I don't know him. I've stayed the hell out of it, saying that I'll support whoever emerges after the primary.

What I don't get is what the fuck the DCCC is doing. This has done nothing for any of the other candidates but it has elevated Laura. I thought she was hitting desperation time because she brought in Hollywood types to campaign for her at the last minute, but events that weren't getting much traction suddenly are filling up because people are so pissed about the DCCC hit. Every article has only talked about Laura, not the others. I don't know if any locals were consulted before they decided to make their hit, but it's backfired. And it's shitty, because if she emerges, she's going to have hits from both sides and it's probably going to lose the district. If she's in the runoff, the other Democrat is going to have to hit her as hard as possible with this stuff, and anything else dug up. And Culberson is probably begging for her to win so he can take hits at her. I told my sister to give as much support to her friend as she can, because she's going to need it. I don't disagree that the stuff brought up by the DCCC needs to be addressed, but it should have come out months ago, not while voting is going on.

Every time the DCCC calls me asking for donations, I tell them to pound sand because until now, they've shown no interest whastsoever in Texas. Now, I want them to go away.

*The DCCC cites a Slate article she wrote that says she'd rather have her teeth pulled without anesthesia than move to Paris, Texas.

This all is crazy.

Replaced_Texan 02-26-2018 04:25 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 513576)
This all is crazy.

It's the second time that Washington has come down to tell Houston how to vote in a really tone deaf manner. Last month, Chuck Schumer came down to endorse a candidate that no one has ever heard of (a "healthcare executive" from Beaumont) to replace Gene Green in the 29th when state senator Sylvia Garcia has picked up pretty much every endorsement in the state, including Gene Green's.

I've suggested that Sylvia remind voters that Chuck Schumer is the reason we do not have a Space Shuttle at the Johnson Space Center, and he has no business telling us what is good for us.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 02-26-2018 05:48 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 513577)
It's the second time that Washington has come down to tell Houston how to vote in a really tone deaf manner. Last month, Chuck Schumer came down to endorse a candidate that no one has ever heard of (a "healthcare executive" from Beaumont) to replace Gene Green in the 29th when state senator Sylvia Garcia has picked up pretty much every endorsement in the state, including Gene Green's.

I've suggested that Sylvia remind voters that Chuck Schumer is the reason we do not have a Space Shuttle at the Johnson Space Center, and he has no business telling us what is good for us.

I felt really put out when the Obama folks decided Massachusetts really needed Elizabeth Warren even though she'd barely been out of Cambridge in her time here and we had a lot of good candidates who knew the state well and had served it in many capacities, but that actually worked out in the end and she's done quite well.

But I still get annoyed whenever someone in DC thinks they should direct what happens in local elections, rather than just support what the locals want. Back in my youth when I helped run the state party, we mostly were able to keep them out, but that was in part because we had our own people down there like Ted Kennedy and Paul Kirk keeping them from doing stupid shit up here.

Tyrone Slothrop 02-28-2018 01:18 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Apropos of Kushner's security clearance, has he actually accomplished anything in the last year+?

Adder 02-28-2018 01:42 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 513579)
Apropos of Kushner's security clearance, has he actually accomplished anything in the last year+?

Well, he's not in jail yet, so there's that.

Tyrone Slothrop 02-28-2018 03:52 PM

Law & order
 
Huh.

LessinSF 02-28-2018 04:00 PM

Re: Law & order
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 513581)

Jesus, I hate "articles" like that - headline, a statement about someone's tweet and then four screenshots of tweets saying the same thing.

Tyrone Slothrop 02-28-2018 04:02 PM

Re: Law & order
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 513582)
Jesus, I hate "articles" like that - headline, a statement about someone's tweet and then four screenshots of tweets saying the same thing.

Sorry.

LessinSF 02-28-2018 04:17 PM

Re: Law & order
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 513583)
Sorry.

My beef is with the so-called news entities that publish them.

Tyrone Slothrop 02-28-2018 04:23 PM

Re: Law & order
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 513584)
My beef is with the so-called news entities that publish them.

If I could figure out how to embed a tweet here, I would do that instead.

Tyrone Slothrop 02-28-2018 04:40 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Hope Hicks is resigning. I've got to say, I did not see that one coming.

Adder 02-28-2018 04:52 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 513586)
Hope Hicks is resigning. I've got to say, I did not see that one coming.

Right the heels of her testimony. Gotta wonder if that's related.

Replaced_Texan 02-28-2018 04:53 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 513586)
Hope Hicks is resigning. I've got to say, I did not see that one coming.

I've sort of gotten the impression that she is the most stabilizing force in the White House. It'll be, er, interesting to see what it's like without her there. Presumably, she has counsel.

One of my favorite columnists at Buzzfeed did a piece a few weeks ago on Hope Hicks that sort of predicted this, though less about Russia and more about becoming the story rather than creating/crafting/guiding the story in the background. Few, if any, tweets.

LessinSF 02-28-2018 07:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 513586)
Hope Hicks is resigning. I've got to say, I did not see that one coming.

And 30 aides lost their "top secret" clearance. I expect really angry tweets tomorrow morning. Shit is unraveling.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 02-28-2018 07:30 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 513586)
Hope Hicks is resigning. I've got to say, I did not see that one coming.

As Dante said: "Abandon, Hope, all ye who enter here."

sebastian_dangerfield 03-01-2018 12:09 AM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 513586)
Hope Hicks is resigning. I've got to say, I did not see that one coming.

Her taste in men disqualifies her from any security clearance.

LessinSF 03-01-2018 03:45 AM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Some of you may recall a $55 million bad faith verdict (including punitives) against AIG in a products case three years ago.

Well, read this. One of the most unusual and remarkable appellate opinions I have ever read. Kudos to AIG's counsel (not me).

http://www.courts.ca.gov/opinions/documents/A146617.PDF

Tyrone Slothrop 03-01-2018 02:21 PM

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I am working from home today, which means I get to watch the TV as I work, and Stripes is on. What a great movie!

Tyrone Slothrop 03-01-2018 06:09 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 513592)
Some of you may recall a $55 million bad faith verdict (including punitives) against AIG in a products case three years ago.

Well, read this. One of the most unusual and remarkable appellate opinions I have ever read. Kudos to AIG's counsel (not me).

http://www.courts.ca.gov/opinions/documents/A146617.PDF

That is remarkable. Fun reading.

Why does an employee sign a RFA response? Briefs outline legal contentions, and they can be signed by outside counsel without an employee.

LessinSF 03-02-2018 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 513594)
Why does an employee sign a RFA response? Briefs outline legal contentions, and they can be signed by outside counsel without an employee.

Because of the plain language of C.C.P. Section 2033, at least according to this case - https://law.justia.com/cases/califor...d/180/545.html

Tyrone Slothrop 03-02-2018 01:25 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
This is an interesting article with a boring headline.

Tyrone Slothrop 03-02-2018 01:25 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 513595)
Because of the plain language of C.C.P. Section 2033, at least according to this case - https://law.justia.com/cases/califor...d/180/545.html

Well, sure, but I guess I was wondering why the California Legislature, in its infinite wisdom, chose to impose that requirement.


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