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Tyrone Slothrop 02-03-2009 02:05 PM
Re: Congratulations Slave and Catrin!!!
 
This has RT's fingerprints all over it.

Fugee 02-03-2009 02:11 PM
Re: Congratulations Slave and Catrin!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 379989)
This has RT's fingerprints all over it.
Silly dinosaur. She wore gloves so she wouldn't leave them!

ThurgreedMarshall 02-03-2009 02:39 PM
Re: Superbowl post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 379969)
1) I said in some respects, reflecting that SB matchups are different from the large majority of regular season games, and the incentives facing coaches and players are different.

[spoiler space: math is hard]
2) To back that up, given that around 6-8% of regular season games go into overtime, I calculated the likelihood that we would see 0 superbowls (out of 43) have an overtime if the percentages were the same. There is less than a 5% chance of that occurring, which using ordinary statistical assumptions means that the chances of the SB going into overtime are lower than for regular season games.
All very impressive. But I would prefer using the larger number of games as a guide, especially since I'm sure that if we had a more signficant number of Superbowl games to include in your calculus, the more the numbers would look like those of the regular season. Besides, I don't think the person who made up the rules took into account the oh-so-smaller likelihood of a Superbowl game not going to OT than a regular season game, when the rules were drafted.

If you can say that you wouldn't care which rule was applied if you had the same two numbers in your Superbowl box (and I'm not really sure if that's what you're trying to say with your statistical analysis), then I guess we just have different ideas on betting altogether.

TM

Replaced_Texan 02-03-2009 04:22 PM
Goddammit
 
Be happy you're fucking alive, people.
Quote:
Some who were on the plane - brought down by a flock of geese after takeoff from La Guardia Airport on Jan. 15 - said the temporary tease of first-class perks is for the birds.

"I think if you survive a plane crash, being upgraded permanently is a good gesture too," said Fred Berretta, 41, of Charlotte, NC, where the Airbus A320 was headed.

Manhattanite Tess Sosa, who escaped the sinking plane with her husband and two small children, thought the airline was too focused on self-congratulations - and "they want to exonerate themselves as much as they can."

"They are happy they had such amazing results, and they applaud themselves, and then give us a small token?" she said. "That's how I take it."

The airline announced the upgrades and other perks last week in a letter Sosa described as "frigid" at best.

CEO Doug Parker wrote that passengers would get "coveted" Chairman's Preferred status - but only until March 2010.

The membership gives each passenger and a companion first-class domestic travel when seats are available, one upgrade to Europe or Hawaii, choice seats and priority check-in.

"We would very much like to see you on a future US Airways flight soon," Parker wrote.

. . .

The airline earned some passengers' praise for quickly sending out $5,000 checks for lost luggage and other expenses. And the company said passengers will be able to make claims for more expenses in the future.

A spokesman for the US Airways said passengers did not have to waive their rights to sue in order to accept the checks or the Chairman's Preferred membership. Some have already contacted lawyers.

Barry Leonard, of Charlotte, argued that "US Airways has bent over backwards to help everyone on the flight."

At La Guardia yesterday, other US Airways travelers were shocked by the airline's lowballing.

"You're going to crash me into the water, and you're going to tell me all I get is an upgrade?" asked Antonio Sales, 20, who was traveling with the University of South Carolina's track team. "That's more of an 'OK, you're not dead, I'll give you something to hold on to.' It's not enough at all."

Teammate Gabrielle Glenn, 20, was more blunt: "That's it. They should sue."

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 02-03-2009 04:28 PM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 380004)
2. What's next, people jumping in front of airplanes to demand insurance payments?

Lifetime first class should be reserved for people who crash onto uncharted tropical islands.

Shape Shifter 02-03-2009 04:40 PM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 380005)
2. What's next, people jumping in front of airplanes to demand insurance payments?

Lifetime first class should be reserved for people who crash onto uncharted tropical islands.

Trying to revive some of Hank's schtick? I thought his Picasso work was better.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 02-03-2009 04:52 PM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shape Shifter (Post 380006)
Trying to revive some of Hank's schtick? I thought his Picasso work was better.
Watch out, sometimes you ask for drunk-before-breakfast Hank and end up getting bitter trolling Hank.

I'd suggest you avoid criticism and instead send Hank something from likker.com. Better to be positive.

ThurgreedMarshall 02-03-2009 04:56 PM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 380004)
And everyone will point at the lawyers for these people when they sue. Why does everyone think that if something bad happens, it means they should get rich? Hell, depending on how you look at it, this wasn't even something bad. The Company isn't even asking them to waive their right to sue! Jesus.

TM

Cletus Miller 02-03-2009 05:02 PM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 380008)
And everyone will point at the lawyers for these people when they sue. Why does everyone think that if something bad happens, it means they should get rich? Hell, depending on how you look at it, this wasn't even something bad. The Company isn't even asking them to waive their right to sue! Jesus.

TM
If any of them actually hurt their back in the landing, USAir will end up mad that Chesley didn't just crash the damn plane.

Penske_Account 02-03-2009 05:24 PM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 380004)
Good on em! The airline industry is made up of completely full of shite purveyors of a crap product that has been bailed out and bolstered by the government.

For me, I'll stick with my netjets deal, but, given my my experience of the commercial cattle call carriers from back in my prole days, I hope these people stick it to the man. Hard. No reach around!

Boo yah!

P

Atticus Grinch 02-03-2009 05:52 PM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 380004)
Negligence is dead. We should rename it "Liability for Accident."

Pretty Little Flower 02-03-2009 06:11 PM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Penske_Account (Post 380012)
Good on em! The airline industry is made up of completely full of shite purveyors of a crap product that has been bailed out and bolstered by the government.

For me, I'll stick with my netjets deal, but, given my my experience of the commercial cattle call carriers from back in my prole days, I hope these people stick it to the man. Hard. No reach around!

Boo yah!

P
Word to the Up! Keepin' it real and stickin' up for the little people. Ya has to show compassion -- rollin' with true Corner Office fashion. Strong words, but you don't get to where you at by pussyfooting about with your ballet slippers on.

BY!

F

Hank Chinaski 02-03-2009 06:26 PM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 380008)
And everyone will point at the lawyers for these people when they sue. Why does everyone think that if something bad happens, it means they should get rich? Hell, depending on how you look at it, this wasn't even something bad. The Company isn't even asking them to waive their right to sue! Jesus.

TM
I was on a train that crashed. A hundred people with broken bones etc. The engineers both died, and supposedly one of them made a heroic act that saved passengers right at the end. My family walked off with no problem, except my wife has emotional issues WRT public transit now. Of course, she married me so lord knows how stable she was to begin with.

We got notice there will be a class action. I told myself if we get a check I would send it to the widow of one of the engineers. I told myself it would be bad karma to take money for a crash we all walked away from.

5 years later, when we got the checks, I cashed them.

Class actions have a momentum that doesn't really require everyone to emotionally join in.

Hank Chinaski 02-03-2009 06:28 PM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 380028)
Word to the Up! Keepin' it real and stickin' up for the little people. Ya has to show compassion -- rollin' with true Corner Office fashion. Strong words, but you don't get to where you at by pussyfooting about with your ballet slippers on.

BY!

F
dude, you're making a fool of yourself. corner office in Minnesota or Detroit equals janitor closet in Seattle. he is mocking you. the guy s on another plane.

Penske_Account 02-03-2009 06:32 PM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 380032)
I

My family walked off with no problem, except my wife has emotional issues WRT public transit now. .
Yes, and in light of that, it was a nice gesture that I stopped wearing my conductor hat and making choo choo noises during our liaisons......

Pretty Little Flower 02-03-2009 06:33 PM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 380033)
dude, you're making a fool of yourself. corner office in Minnesota or Detroit equals janitor closet in Seattle. he is mocking you. the guy s on another plane.
You think I don't know that? Why do you think I have him on a totally respectful ignore?

Adder 02-03-2009 06:45 PM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 380032)
I was on a train that crashed. A hundred people with broken bones etc. The engineers both died, and supposedly one of them made a heroic act that saved passengers right at the end. My family walked off with no problem, except my wife has emotional issues WRT public transit now. Of course, she married me so lord knows how stable she was to begin with.

We got notice there will be a class action. I told myself if we get a check I would send it to the widow of one of the engineers. I told myself it would be bad karma to take money for a crash we all walked away from.

5 years later, when we got the checks, I cashed them.

Class actions have a momentum that doesn't really require everyone to emotionally join in.
You could have not returned the claim form, so I'm not buying your lack of buy in.

LessinSF 02-03-2009 06:46 PM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 380032)
...
5 years later, when we got the checks, I cashed them.

Class actions have a momentum that doesn't really require everyone to emotionally join in.
I just received $27 in the mail from American Express for some class action I do not recall not opting out of. Found money. Whoo Hoo!

ThurgreedMarshall 02-03-2009 06:54 PM
Commercials
 
I didn't really watch any of the commercials during the game. Someone just sent me this one and it's not half bad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZetD...eature=channel

TM

Penske_Account 02-03-2009 06:55 PM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 380039)
I just received $27 in the mail from American Express for some class action I do not recall not opting out of. Found money. Whoo Hoo!
I just got the Kermit Lynch February newsletter, 2006 Cotes-De-Provence Rouge "Tres Longue Maceration" from Dupere Barrera, a cult wine from the south of France for true connoisseuers.........$27/btl. Serendipity? I think not......

Penske_Account 02-03-2009 07:00 PM
Re: Commercials
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 380043)
I didn't really watch any of the commercials during the game. Someone just sent me this one and it's not half bad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZetD...eature=channel

TM
Yes, the YouTube baby vids are the best! I like this one too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OBlg...eature=related

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 02-03-2009 07:51 PM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 380039)
I just received $27 in the mail from American Express for some class action I do not recall not opting out of. Found money. Whoo Hoo!
That's because the notice promised Actual. Cash. Money. IIRC, you could either take $10 or tell them how many days you spent overseas during some period of time, and get a settlement based on the number of days. I'm surprised you got only $27. I got $18.

LessinSF 02-03-2009 07:58 PM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 380046)
That's because the notice promised Actual. Cash. Money. IIRC, you could either take $10 or tell them how many days you spent overseas during some period of time, and get a settlement based on the number of days. I'm surprised you got only $27. I got $18.
I recall that now. I came up with something like 240+ days abroad during the relevant period. Of course, I rarely used my AMEX card at the time, preferring a different Visa card, so I really cannot complain.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 02-03-2009 08:05 PM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 380050)
I recall that now. I came up with something like 240+ days abroad during the relevant period. Of course, I rarely used my AMEX card at the time, preferring a different Visa card, so I really cannot complain.
Of course you did, because you know those fuckers at Amex rape you on the currency conversion rate, which was the basis for the settlement in the first place. Win! Win!

Cletus Miller 02-04-2009 11:13 AM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 380051)
Of course you did, because you know those fuckers at Amex rape you on the currency conversion rate, which was the basis for the settlement in the first place. Win! Win!
Currently, Amex has the lowest surcharge of any card I have (isn't capital one the only major that doesn't tack on 2 or 3%?)--and no one will tell you what the exchange rate they use is anymore, so it's a crapshoot. I got ~$150.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 02-04-2009 11:22 AM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 380086)
Currently, Amex has the lowest surcharge of any card I have (isn't capital one the only major that doesn't tack on 2 or 3%?)--and no one will tell you what the exchange rate they use is anymore, so it's a crapshoot. I got ~$150.
I believe that's right:

Cap one is 0% (I think they rebate the Visa/MC 1%)
Amex is 2%
The rest are 3% or more, including the 1% from V/MC.

Bankrate

Cletus Miller 02-04-2009 11:32 AM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 380087)
I believe that's right:

Cap one is 0% (I think they rebate the Visa/MC 1%)
Amex is 2%
The rest are 3% or more, including the 1% from V/MC.

Bankrate
Of course, it's the floating rate they use for the conversion that's most important, and it's now (as far as I can tell--I call whenever we're going somewhere to try to compare) a total black box. Before the lawsuits, they would tell you what the day's exchange rate was--at least AmEx and MBNA (and maybe Chase predecessors).

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 02-04-2009 11:36 AM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 380088)
Of course, it's the floating rate they use for the conversion that's most important, and it's now (as far as I can tell--I call whenever we're going somewhere to try to compare) a total black box. Before the lawsuits, they would tell you what the day's exchange rate was--at least AmEx and MBNA (and maybe Chase predecessors).
Are they no longer using the interbank rates they used to charge? Because I smell yet another class action suit if they're using the cambio rates.

Cletus Miller 02-04-2009 11:51 AM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 380089)
Are they no longer using the interbank rates they used to charge? Because I smell yet another class action suit if they're using the cambio rates.
I'm sure they are using whatever the cardholder agreement states, but I haven't read mine to confirm. The last couple times I've tried to get an answer on the phone, I'm told that they don't know the rate until the end of the day and questions about the prior day's rate are deflected, too. I'm never charging so much that it's worth half an hour of arguing up the supervisor ladder.

ThurgreedMarshall 02-04-2009 12:28 PM
I felt this way Saturday Night
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txqiw...layer_embedded

Spree: Kid coming home from oral surgery is stoned out of his gourd.

TM

LessinSF 02-04-2009 01:04 PM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 380086)
Currently, Amex has the lowest surcharge of any card I have (isn't capital one the only major that doesn't tack on 2 or 3%?)--and no one will tell you what the exchange rate they use is anymore, so it's a crapshoot. I got ~$150.
Did you have your statements so that you were able to actually document your spending? Because I didn't go that route, but I would bet you were not out of the country over 5x as much as me.

Cletus Miller 02-04-2009 01:46 PM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 380099)
Did you have your statements so that you were able to actually document your spending? Because I didn't go that route, but I would bet you were not out of the country over 5x as much as me.
Didn't pull up the statements (tho I have everything b/c of year-end summaries). Just used the estimation on the claim form. But you were probably out of the country 5x what I was.

The period was Feb 1, 1999 to Oct 15, 2004 (looked it up); I think I said something around 30-35 days. I believe that every single night of those was spent in a (non-budget) hotel charged to Amex. So I got $15 (for having the card pre-99--per the settlement notice here, if you're interested) and all conversion fees charged (which I guess Amex actually documented).

Hank Chinaski 02-04-2009 01:50 PM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 380101)
Didn't pull up the statements (tho I have everything b/c of year-end summaries). Just used the estimation on the claim form. But you were probably out of the country 5x what I was.

The period was Feb 1, 1999 to Oct 15, 2004 (looked it up); I think I said something around 30-35 days. I believe that every single night of those was spent in a (non-budget) hotel charged to Amex. So I got $15 (for having the card pre-99--per the settlement notice here, if you're interested) and all conversion fees charged (which I guess Amex actually documented).
how can you spend that much time to get $15?

Cletus Miller 02-04-2009 02:02 PM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 380102)
how can you spend that much time to get $15?
I know you don't really read my posts, so I'll summarize:

I got $150, not $15.

I didn't do anything more than (a) count the days I spent out of the country (maybe off by 1 or 2) in a five year period and (b) complete and sign a two page opt-out notice (which didn't require counting to 35, only chekcing a box) and, later, a two-page claim form.

I've now spent more aggregate time posting here about it than I did completing the two forms.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 02-04-2009 02:03 PM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 380102)
how can you spend that much time to get $15?
". . . . and all conversion fees charged" which was apparently $135.

Given that the form required name, address, card number, and a check box, why wouldn't you spend five minutes to fill it out? Even your billing rates aren't such a good return.

Penske_Account 02-04-2009 02:50 PM
More than a mouthfull.....
 
indeed!

One woman stopped at nothing to achieve her twin dreams: a 38KKK bust, and a world record

http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/scanne...la-hershey.JPG

LessinSF 02-04-2009 03:19 PM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 380101)
... and all conversion fees charged (which I guess Amex actually documented).
Ah, therein lies my lack of recovery.

Cletus Miller 02-04-2009 03:22 PM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 380125)
Ah, therein lies my lack of recovery.
I suspect (b/c the claim form only asked for number of days out of the country) they ran the numbers based on a "per diem" calculation and an "actual fees charged" calculation and went with the latter b/c it was cheaper even with the costs of documentation. So, unfoirtunately, Less got less.

Hank Chinaski 02-04-2009 03:39 PM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 380103)
I know you don't really read my posts, so I'll summarize:

I got $150, not $15.

I didn't do anything more than (a) count the days I spent out of the country (maybe off by 1 or 2) in a five year period and (b) complete and sign a two page opt-out notice (which didn't require counting to 35, only chekcing a box) and, later, a two-page claim form.

I've now spent more aggregate time posting here about it than I did completing the two forms.
What is your hourly rate? I'm thinking i could delegate it, but can't think of anyone who could count my days outside the country.

is it too late to apply?

Shape Shifter 02-04-2009 03:44 PM
Re: Goddammit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 380103)
I know you don't really read my posts, so I'll summarize:

I got $150, not $15.

I didn't do anything more than (a) count the days I spent out of the country (maybe off by 1 or 2) in a five year period and (b) complete and sign a two page opt-out notice (which didn't require counting to 35, only chekcing a box) and, later, a two-page claim form.

I've now spent more aggregate time posting here about it than I did completing the two forms.
How much did you get for this post?


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