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notcasesensitive 10-01-2009 03:23 PM

Re: This is the thread where the fringster comes back with teeth
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 402040)
dude "she's a slut" is not a defense to "you had sex with someone who is 13."

there's that whole "elements of a crime" thing.

1 did Roman have sex? Yes
2 was the female 13? yes
if so > guilty

WAIT! she was asking for it!

doesn't matter-

it like if you steal a TV and try to argue that it was defective, so you really didn't steal much

I like the couple that was arrested after they went on the Dr. Phil show (strike one) and boasted about their multi-state crime spree. They are pleading not guilty too. Brilliant.

http://www.popeater.com/article/ca-c...g-on-tv/669892

Hank Chinaski 10-01-2009 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 402032)
I cannot spend my day explaining obvious things to you.

you didn't get another job did you?:confused::(

Hank Chinaski 10-01-2009 03:26 PM

Re: Tucker is an Irvin fan?
 
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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 402047)
No. I sit right on the corner of the north end zone, about 20 rows up, and beer is flowing until the third quarter. There also is a lot of tailgating in the parking lot before the games. I've only seen two or three fights in the 8 seasons I've had tickets. There are always a couple of drunken jackasses, but generally no one violent or near violent. There was a guy the first few years who was a little over enthusiastic in his cheering, and I think that other fans complained. He stopped going after awhile, though.

Lions' fans experiences may be different because the games we are watching invlove the Lions, so there isn't much excitement on the field.

Replaced_Texan 10-01-2009 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 402041)
I can't say I'm surprised about that. With tougher enforcement and penalties than for the duty to report child abuse, too?

It's part of the child abuse reporting statute. They threw in the definitions of sexual assault of a minor in as well as the general abuse definitions. I generally have no problem with reporting statutes, and I think it's a good thing that professionals are requried to report sexual abuse. I just find it problematic that the romeo-and-juliet law doesn't contemplate juliet-and-juliet.

dtb 10-01-2009 03:28 PM

Re: Tucker is an Irvin fan?
 
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Originally Posted by Gattigap (Post 401985)
This is a big reason why my attendance at live sports events has tailed off in recent years. Having to deal with assholish opposing fans drains a good bit of the fun from it (for me, anyway).

Then again, I don't see many Clemson games these days, so maybe I should reconsider.

In my local (small-town) newspaper, there were lots and lots of letters to the editor this week about the uproar caused by Obama's speech. Apparently, the Region Superintendent or the school board (I didn't really follow the "controversy") decided that they would tape and review the speech before allowing students to see it. Once they "OK'd" the speech, parents would be given the opportunity to opt out of their children's seeing it.

Anyway, several (really, more than two) letters included remarks to the effect of, "I didn't realize I had moved from Connecticut to South Carolina."

dtb 10-01-2009 03:30 PM

Re: Top Chef
 
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Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick (Post 401996)
Also Padma is knocked up.

Yet another thing that makes it hard to tell the two of us apart. Sigh.

Fugee 10-01-2009 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 402045)
i have no experience with criminal juries- do you have any non-TV experience?

i do have experience with juries generally, and i think one could keep them focused on the facts of this one.

i am done with this- it sickens me to discuss it.

My recent grand jury experience has given me no confidence in the thought processes of juries. Added to the stuff PLF mentioned, the DA may have been concerned the jury would have residual sympathy for Polanski over Manson killing his wife and think he had "suffered enough."

Did you just call me Coltrane? 10-01-2009 03:30 PM

Re: Tucker is an Irvin fan?
 
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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 402047)
I've only seen two or three fights

Per game at Soldier Field.

Gattigap 10-01-2009 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 402055)
Per game at Soldier Field.

I don't understand why this is surprising. Bears fans are SuperFans(tm), and you Don't Ever Fuck With A SuperFan.

Cletus Miller 10-01-2009 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 402051)
It's part of the child abuse reporting statute. They threw in the definitions of sexual assault of a minor in as well as the general abuse definitions. I generally have no problem with reporting statutes, and I think it's a good thing that professionals are requried to report sexual abuse. I just find it problematic that the romeo-and-juliet law doesn't contemplate juliet-and-juliet.

I consider than fairly even-handed for a state under the sway of the loons. Problematic, still, yeah. But surprising, not at all.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-01-2009 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 402044)
Your persona is inconsistent with having an alma mater at which this would happen.

Oh, Adder, you who know so little of the world.

Remember the old Dorothy Parker saying, "If all the girls who went to the Harvard-Yale game were laid end to end, I wouldn't be surprised." Well, it's even like that at the second tier schools.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-01-2009 03:35 PM

Re: Tucker is an Irvin fan?
 
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Originally Posted by dtb (Post 402052)
In my local (small-town) newspaper, there were lots and lots of letters to the editor this week about the uproar caused by Obama's speech. Apparently, the Region Superintendent or the school board (I didn't really follow the "controversy") decided that they would tape and review the speech before allowing students to see it. Once they "OK'd" the speech, parents would be given the opportunity to opt out of their children's seeing it.

Anyway, several (really, more than two) letters included remarks to the effect of, "I didn't realize I had moved from Connecticut to South Carolina."


We had exactly the same thing here. Except replace Connecticut with Massachusetts for the letters.

dtb 10-01-2009 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 402059)
We had exactly the same thing here. Except replace Connecticut with Massachusetts for the letters.

I guess I was surprised at the uniformity of scorn heaped upon South Carolina. If I had written such a letter, I would have used Alabama or Mississippi.

Adder 10-01-2009 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 402045)
i have no experience with criminal juries- do you have any non-TV experience?

Only in serving on a grand jury. We indicted a guy for possession with intent to distribute, and for having a hand gun, but not for possession of a hand gun "during a crime of violence or other serious offense." As a matter of law, possession with intent to distribute is a predicate "serious offense," but despite three tries, the prosecutor couldn't make a majority of the panel understand that they had already indicted on all necessary elements.

Icky Thump 10-01-2009 03:50 PM

Re: Tucker is an Irvin fan?
 
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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 402047)
I've only seen two or three fights in the 8 seasons I've had tickets.

You'll see that at a Jets game on any drive that's not a three-and-out.

Cletus Miller 10-01-2009 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 402061)
Only in serving on a grand jury. We indicted a guy for possession with intent to distribute, and for having a hand gun, but not for possession of a hand gun "during a crime of violence or other serious offense." As a matter of law, possession with intent to distribute is a predicate "serious offense," but despite three tries, the prosecutor couldn't make a majority of the panel understand that they had already indicted on all necessary elements.

Isn't that double jeopardy? I saw something like that on tv once.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-01-2009 03:53 PM

Re: Tucker is an Irvin fan?
 
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Originally Posted by dtb (Post 402060)
I guess I was surprised at the uniformity of scorn heaped upon South Carolina. If I had written such a letter, I would have used Alabama or Mississippi.

Ah, our letters didn't limit themselves to South Carolina, but it was generally the south that took the hit. I believe Tennessee and Arkansas were prominent among the targets.

Still, Texans should count it as a good day when Northerners talk about education without sneering at what they do down there.

Gattigap 10-01-2009 03:55 PM

Re: Tucker is an Irvin fan?
 
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Originally Posted by dtb (Post 402060)
I guess I was surprised at the uniformity of scorn heaped upon South Carolina. If I had written such a letter, I would have used Alabama or Mississippi.

Well, us Sandlappers are known for bringing the crazy. Too small for a republic, too large for a mental asylum.

But your neigbors' use of SC (or ALA or MS) as the object of scorn for delaying the presentation of an Obama speech is a little misguided. They might go for small-potatoes shit like that in the Virginias and Colorados and Californias of the world, but not there. Letters like that suggest that all the writer's seen of the place is Charleston's Battery Row and Hilton Head.

Adder 10-01-2009 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 402063)
Isn't that double jeopardy? I saw something like that on tv once.

I think it's final jeopardy, actually. But you have negative winnings, so you don't get to play.

Hank Chinaski 10-01-2009 04:09 PM

Re: Tucker is an Irvin fan?
 
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Originally Posted by Gattigap (Post 402065)
Well, us Sandlappers are known for bringing the crazy. Too small for a republic, too large for a mental asylum.

But your neigbors' use of SC (or ALA or MS) as the object of scorn for delaying the presentation of an Obama speech is a little misguided. They might go for small-potatoes shit like that in the Virginias and Colorados and Californias of the world, but not there. Letters like that suggest that all the writer's seen of the place is Charleston's Battery Row and Hilton Head.

2. I was planning on going to Charleston next time I travel to Savannah, but I'm sort of nervous y'all might start shelling Ft. Sumter again.

notcasesensitive 10-01-2009 04:12 PM

Big news!
 
I keep forgetting to tell those of you who care about such things (ahem, Diane Keaton) that Peter Thottam is running for state assembly in my district! There are Thottam posters plastered all around town.

Sidd Finch 10-01-2009 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 401969)
I think you pulled your statement about the main reason why statutory rape laws exist out of your ass, but whatever.

Your second paragraph is a little hard to understand due to your usual level of writing clarity, but the point is this: He got his initial sentence, which to us seems ridiculously lenient, in part because different laws and attitudes at the time gave the prosecutor what was probably a legitimate concern that he would walk. So he pleads to that sentence, and then the judge sees the Oktoberfest photo, reneges on the deal, begins acting completely erratically, and suddenly Polanski thinks, not only am I screwed if stick with my plea, but if I go to trial, I will have to go to trial with this guy as my judge.

Please stop. You are making me agree with Hank. It's a squicky feeling.

Sidd Finch 10-01-2009 04:24 PM

Re: Tucker is an Irvin fan?
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 402002)
I think this is a great tradition and will start doing so myself. I happened to note your LS has the same colors as my undergrad school. Would you mind mailing a pair so I can get started? Foot ball season starts soon, so time is of the essence.

When I picture Atticus, and then I picture him asking a woman to send him a pair of her panties, my head starts to hurt.

evenodds 10-01-2009 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 402044)
Your persona is inconsistent with having an alma mater at which this would happen.

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 402058)
Oh, Adder, you who know so little of the world.

Remember the old Dorothy Parker saying, "If all the girls who went to the Harvard-Yale game were laid end to end, I wouldn't be surprised." Well, it's even like that at the second tier schools.

I think I love you, G3, though I am certain you'll dissuade me shortly.

Sidd Finch 10-01-2009 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 402006)
Statutory rape laws still exist because minors are not competent to consent, and non-minors have a duty to inquire.

True, obviously. But Hank is pointing to the kind of facts that are often used as evidence of consent -- she got naked, she got in the hot tub. With that tweak, his point is basically correct.

Sidd Finch 10-01-2009 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 402010)
ummm, a majority of my son's graduating class are potentially felons, and yet no one was prosecuted. can you break that down for me?

Just as I was starting to agree with things he said, the old Hank reemerges.

The universe is righting itself. E/O won't have to send AG her panties, either.

Sidd Finch 10-01-2009 04:35 PM

Re: Tucker is an Irvin fan?
 
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Originally Posted by Gattigap (Post 402056)
I don't understand why this is surprising. Bears fans are SuperFans(tm), and you Don't Ever Fuck With A SuperFan.

I'm going to the Niners-Bears game next month, with a group of Bears fans (who are coming here from Chicago for the game, and also incidentally to see family). I've been warned that these are SERIOUS Bears fans, who have already started the trash-talking.

Today's posts make me nervous.

Cletus Miller 10-01-2009 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 402066)
I think it's final jeopardy, actually. But you have negative winnings, so you don't get to play.

Huh. Didn't think that was sufficient as a for cause challenge.

Did the prosecutor really misunderstand the average juror that much?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-01-2009 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by evenodds (Post 402071)
I think I love you, G3, though I am certain you'll dissuade me shortly.

I will try to bask in the glory for at least a brief moment before I do so. Shall I whisper more Dorothy Parker quotes in your ear?

Atticus Grinch 10-01-2009 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 402073)
Just as I was starting to agree with things he said, the old Hank reemerges.

The universe is righting itself. E/O won't have to send AG her panties, either.

Confidential to evenodds: Sidd is not the boss of you.

Aloha Mr. Learned Hand 10-01-2009 04:43 PM

Re: Big news!
 
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Originally Posted by notcasesensitive (Post 402068)
I keep forgetting to tell those of you who care about such things (ahem, Diane Keaton) that Peter Thottam is running for state assembly in my district! There are Thottam posters plastered all around town.

Wow. Forgot all about that guy. Just checked out his website. Sure, it's California and all, but having worked a few campaigns in my time I think I would recommend not linking all that 9/11 "Truther" and Illuminati stuff. Might make him seem a wee bit unhinged.

Atticus Grinch 10-01-2009 04:44 PM

Re: Tucker is an Irvin fan?
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 402070)
When I picture Atticus, and then I picture him asking a woman to send him a pair of her panties, my head starts to hurt.

Well, sure, when you put it that way.

Which is why I was very careful to put it another way, you cockblocking dumbass.

Hank Chinaski 10-01-2009 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 402077)
Confidential to evenodds: Sidd is not the boss of you.

confidential to Sidd- you whiffed on both my and atticus's posts in one single post!

Atticus Grinch 10-01-2009 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 402051)
It's part of the child abuse reporting statute. They threw in the definitions of sexual assault of a minor in as well as the general abuse definitions. I generally have no problem with reporting statutes, and I think it's a good thing that professionals are requried to report sexual abuse. I just find it problematic that the romeo-and-juliet law doesn't contemplate juliet-and-juliet.

California's stat rape laws only acknowledge the offender's age and any age disparity in the severity of the crime, not its commission. Meanwhile, the mandatory reporter statute defines pretty much any sexual gratification of or from a minor as abuse of that minor. So technically 17-year-olds dry humping in a car is reportable child abuse. Mutual, that is. Same sex or opposite sex -- we're more equitable in that regard than in marriage laws.

Meanwhile, most local law enforcement tends to remember that a crime that isn't a crime unanimously declared so by 12 random constituents isn't a crime at all. So unless they think 12 random folks would agree the crime should be punished (factors such as developmental delay, or a pattern of abuse or exploitation) they charge neither the kids who dunnit nor the mandatory reporter that should technically have reported it. Can you think of 12 neighbors who would jail a teacher who failed to drop a dime on two students having consensual nookie? If so, I politely suggest that you move before they charge your debauched asses with aggravated felony mopery in the first degree.

Flinty_McFlint 10-01-2009 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 402081)
California's stat rape laws only acknowledge the offender's age and any age disparity in the severity of the crime, not its commission. Meanwhile, the mandatory reporter statute defines pretty much any sexual gratification of or from a minor as abuse of that minor. So technically 17-year-olds dry humping in a car is reportable child abuse. Mutual, that is. Same sex or opposite sex -- we're more equitable in that regard than in marriage laws.

Meanwhile, most local law enforcement tends to remember that a crime that isn't a crime unanimously declared so by 12 random constituents isn't a crime at all. So unless they think 12 random folks would agree the crime should be punished (factors such as developmental delay, or a pattern of abuse or exploitation) they charge neither the kids who dunnit nor the mandatory reporter that should technically have reported it. Can you think of 12 neighbors who would jail a teacher who failed to drop a dime on two students having consensual nookie? If so, I politely suggest that you move before they charge your debauched asses with aggravated felony mopery in the first degree.

My subscription has lapsed, does mopery involve blind people or the pope? I always mix that up.

LessinSF 10-01-2009 04:59 PM

Spanky Beware
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 402081)
California's stat rape laws only acknowledge the offender's age and any age disparity in the severity of the crime, not its commission.

I was compelled to look it up:

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California Penal Code: Section 261.5 Unlawful Sexual Intercourse

(a) Unlawful sexual intercourse is an act of sexual intercourse accomplished with a person who is not the spouse of the perpetrator, if the person is a minor. For the purposes of this section, a "minor" is a person under the age of 18 years and an "adult" is a person who is at least 18 years of age.

(b) Any person who engages in an act of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor who is not more than three years older or three years younger than the perpetrator, is guilty of a misdemeanor.

(c) Any person who engages in an act of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor who is more than three years younger than the perpetrator is guilty of either a misdemeanor or a felony, and shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by imprisonment in the state prison.

(d) Any person 21 years of age or older who engages in an act of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor who is under 16 years of age is guilty of either a misdemeanor or a felony, and shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by imprisonment in the state prison for two, three, or four years.

Cletus Miller 10-01-2009 05:00 PM

Re: This is the thread where the fringster comes back with teeth
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 402081)
Can you think of 12 neighbors who would jail a teacher who failed to drop a dime on two students having consensual nookie?

Does the teacher refuse to acknowledge intelligent design as relevant to science and support abortion rights? If so, I know of neighborhoods (not mine) where 12 neighbors might put that teacher in jail. I think one of them is called "Kansas".

Replaced_Texan 10-01-2009 05:00 PM

Re: This is the thread where the fringster comes back with teeth
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 402081)
California's stat rape laws only acknowledge the offender's age and any age disparity in the severity of the crime, not its commission. Meanwhile, the mandatory reporter statute defines pretty much any sexual gratification of or from a minor as abuse of that minor. So technically 17-year-olds dry humping in a car is reportable child abuse. Mutual, that is. Same sex or opposite sex -- we're more equitable in that regard than in marriage laws.

Meanwhile, most local law enforcement tends to remember that a crime that isn't a crime unanimously declared so by 12 random constituents isn't a crime at all. So unless they think 12 random folks would agree the crime should be punished (factors such as developmental delay, or a pattern of abuse or exploitation) they charge neither the kids who dunnit nor the mandatory reporter that should technically have reported it. Can you think of 12 neighbors who would jail a teacher who failed to drop a dime on two students having consensual nookie? If so, I politely suggest that you move before they charge your debauched asses with aggravated felony mopery in the first degree.

Yeah, I know. Still, it's a pain in the ass when my docs deliver babies at the public hospital in the county with the largest teenage pregnancy rate in the country. They don't get to pick and choose which cases to report. Fortunately, the reporting requirement allows for the affirmative defense.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-01-2009 05:01 PM

Can I say how tired I am of the flu?
 
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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 402055)
Per game at Soldier Field.

How many are Bears fans fighting each other?

Did you just call me Coltrane? 10-01-2009 05:04 PM

Re: This is the thread where the fringster comes back with teeth
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 402076)
I will try to bask in the glory for at least a brief moment before I do so. Shall I whisper more Dorothy Parker quotes in your ear?

Aren't you a toff? Because e/o sounds like new money trying to be old money. Wouldn't work.


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