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ThurgreedMarshall 02-08-2010 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by PresentTense Pirate Penske (Post 415598)
I agree. we should change the constitutional requirements to hold office to include an IQ test.
You are truly tiresome.

TM

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 02-08-2010 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 415616)
Let's say one of the posters here owned some intellectual property -- say, something copyrighted. Let's say the income stream from that and all future similar products required there to be a functioning and motivated (read: non-PRC) central government to prevent the value of that product going to zero. Would such a poster, if he existed, prefer a post-apocalyptic world to the one we live in?

Think Sebby. This calculation is irrelevant if the bunker is fully stocked, including with enough heavy weapons to ensure continued enrichment in the post-Apocalyptic libertarian paradise.

Or maybe that was Penske?

sebastian_dangerfield 02-08-2010 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 415616)
Let's say one of the posters here owned some intellectual property -- say, something copyrighted. Let's say the income stream from that and all future similar products required there to be a functioning and motivated (read: non-PRC) central government to prevent the value of that product going to zero. Would such a poster, if he existed, prefer a post-apocalyptic world to the one we live in?
Yes. I am ready for the Rapture, Armageddon... all of it. I've a wall of Spam in the basement, 3000 DVDs and I am prepared to grab the bull by the horns, settle down a finally learn to home brew.

(By "burning it down," I mean a severe crisis that causes every sector of our society to re-align itself. Banks down on down to the welfare state. This last crisis passed too easily because so many people decided we had to protect the assets of the retired by preventing creative destruction which would have created a more vibrant economy coming out of the mess. BUT, yes, I'm a hypocrite, because the status quo keeps me fat and happy, so when push came to shove, you're right - I'd side with keeping up this wretched status quo, as appalling as it is.*)

*I'm nothing if not chock full of self-loathing.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 02-08-2010 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 415622)
Yes. I am ready for the Rapture, Armageddon... all of it. I've a wall of Spam in the basement, 3000 DVDs and I am prepared to grab the bull by the horns, settle down a finally learn to home brew.

(By "burning it down," I mean a severe crisis that causes every sector of our society to re-align itself. Banks down on down to the welfare state. This last crisis passed too easily because so many people decided we had to protect the assets of the retired by preventing creative destruction which would have created a more vibrant economy coming out of the mess. BUT, yes, I'm a hypocrite, because the status quo keeps me fat and happy, so when push came to shove, you're right - I'd side with keeping up this wretched status quo, as appalling as it is.*)

*I'm nothing if not chock full of self-loathing.

Yes, not Penske, Sebby.

LessinSF 02-08-2010 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by PresentTense Pirate Penske (Post 415598)
I agree. we should change the constitutional requirements to hold office to include an IQ test.
And one has to solve a quadratic equation before one can vote (Heinlein).

Sidd Finch 02-08-2010 05:51 PM
Re: This is totally awesome
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 415616)
Let's say one of the posters here owned some intellectual property -- say, something copyrighted. Let's say the income stream from that and all future similar products required there to be a functioning and motivated (read: non-PRC) central government to prevent the value of that product going to zero. Would such a poster, if he existed, prefer a post-apocalyptic world to the one we live in?
Naw, dude, you gotta burn it down. That's cool.

Sidd Finch 02-08-2010 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Gattigap (Post 415619)
I think your theory is flawed. If the income stream does not exceed at least the purchasing power of X bottles of scotch per week, then odds are that the theoretical poster would presumably be willing to sacrifice that income stream in exchange for watching Rome burn.

At least for an hour or two. Afterward, the theoretical poster might come to miss the presence of public safety and other trifles.
"And what have the Romans given us? Nothing!"

"Well, the roads."

"And public sanitation -- things sure were a mess before that."

Sidd Finch 02-08-2010 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 415626)
And one has to solve a quadratic equation before one can vote (Heinlein).
I'm drawing a blank -- which book?

1436 02-08-2010 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 415628)
"And what have the Romans given us? Nothing!"

"Well, the roads."

"And public sanitation -- things sure were a mess before that."
Very nice.

LessinSF 02-08-2010 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 415629)
I'm drawing a blank -- which book?
I don't think it was in a novel, but in an essay or something. Of course, my Google-fu is failing me.

Sidd Finch 02-08-2010 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 415631)
I don't think it was in a novel, but in an essay or something. Of course, my Google-fu is failing me.
Ah. I remember the "do military service to vote" (Starship Troopers) and similar stuff. The "solve a quadratic equation to be eligible for office" is a new one on me.

Sort of odd to think that, in Heinlein's view, I was more qualified to hold public office when I was in 11th grade than I am now. It helps explain why, as a pollitical theorist, Heinlein was a great sci-fi writer.

PresentTense Pirate Penske 02-08-2010 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 415620)
You are truly tiresome.

TM
Why? Aren't you saying the same thing? Dumb people shouldn't be allowed to run for office, just in case dumb voters elect them? I'm with you, but I assume there has to be some objective standard to ascertain the dumbness exclusion, no?

PresentTense Pirate Penske 02-08-2010 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 415621)
Think Sebby. This calculation is irrelevant if the bunker is fully stocked, including with enough heavy weapons to ensure continued enrichment in the post-Apocalyptic libertarian paradise.

Or maybe that was Penske?
I think its me, but I need wine, not liquor. And some access to strange. Or Nuns. Or strange nuns.

PresentTense Pirate Penske 02-08-2010 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 415625)
Yes, not Penske, Sebby.
His scenario lacks nuns.:(

Hank Chinaski 02-08-2010 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 415616)
Let's say one of the posters here owned some intellectual property -- say, something copyrighted. Let's say the income stream from that and all future similar products required there to be a functioning and motivated (read: non-PRC) central government to prevent the value of that product going to zero. Would such a poster, if he existed, prefer a post-apocalyptic world to the one we live in?
the PRC has the strongest IP laws around- they'll fucking kill you for counterfeiting. Of course they selectively enforce. Knock off some Asics by running a graveyard shift at the factory? no probs.

make some phony baloney Beijing olympics shirts? your gallows await!


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