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Sidd Finch 02-04-2015 05:31 PM

Re: I want to drive a Lincoln and spend my evenings drinking the very best Burgundy.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 494013)
my wife and daughter have the app:(

Have you checked to see if any drivers have "reviewed" them?

Sidd Finch 02-04-2015 05:39 PM

Re: Vaccines and the GOP
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 494028)
No, it isn’t. It makes no more sense to trust a pharmaceutical industry driven by profits than an agricultural commodity industry driven by profits. The only difference is the social acceptability of saying “I don’t trust them.” Which means you don’t “understand” one objection over another; you’re just more tolerant of one than the other. “Understand” implies a level of rational distinction. I just find GMO objectors to be a more likely demographic among my friends, but I don’t kid myself that they’re any less crazy (or selfish).

I agree with you entirely on the GMO issue, but to me that's not a question of "trusting" an industry. It's a question of trusting the broad consensus of scientists.

But there is a rational basis for greater mistrust of agribusiness, that is not founded in conspiracy theories or viewing the profit motive as evil, but rather is based on a good deal of history and experience. DDT was just fine, as were numerous other pesticides that had tremendous detrimental effects. Monocropping was just fine, despite the bad effect on the food supply, food quality, and massive vulnerability to pest invasions. And it's an industry that exploits natural resources, which presents a balancing issue that isn't present elsewhere.

ThurgreedMarshall 02-04-2015 05:40 PM

Re: I want to drive a Lincoln and spend my evenings drinking the very best Burgundy.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 494004)
Damn. Are you trying to bring a rational criticism on to the PB? I'd say good point, but it would upset Sidd. He doesn't see shades of gray very well.

I don't really get why you and Sidd are going at it so hard on this, but I will add that there are other reasons why Uber is a good business model.

1. You can rate the drivers, so if they want to continue to be successful, they will look at the transaction as one in which customer service means something. You'd think cabbies would do the same since they're so dependent on tips, but they quite simply do not.

2. You can tell where the car you're waiting on is and how long it will take to get to you. Even in the middle of the city, you sometimes have no idea when or if you're going to get a cab. That certainty is valuable.

3. You don't have to worry about tipping or handling money or swiping your card. You just get your ride, be polite and go about your business.

4. Uber will refund a portion of your ride if your driver tries to pull some slick shit. I had a driver take the fucking LIE to Laguardia (which entails driving way past the airport and then driving back). I complained and Uber instantly gave me a $40 credit for my next ride. All they had to do was check the route to confirm. And they actually care about keeping customers happy.

The surge pricing is absolute bullshit, though. It should be against the law. And they are (or have been) absolutely terrible telling people when and how much they are going to gouge them.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 02-04-2015 05:45 PM

Re: I want to drive a Lincoln and spend my evenings drinking the very best Burgundy.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 494009)
Has your experience dropped lately?

The car service guy I use joined Uber a year ago. He was praising it. This October he had quit because they were squeezing the driver's share to stay competitive with cabs in Manhattan. He told me he, and most "good" drivers he knows said "fuck no."

We got in our first Uber in Manhattan a few days later. Lower east to 93rd and Broadway. Every cab ever takes Houston to West Side highway to 95th. I looking at the guy's GPS and there were no directions, just a spinning symbol. He started off on Houston, but then veered off into a small street in the Village, me thinking "shortcut to WSH?" But then he turned south on an avenue and was headed for NY. I finally stepped in. He admitted he really had no clue.

I appreciate getting into a car is important, but it has to be good thereafter too. Contrast to positive experience from Bk.

I don't use Uber that much. If I'm out late or drunk, I'll use them. I mostly ride the train.

However, I know the city and my antennae are always up in cab situations because I think so many of them are asshole crooks, so there is not a chance any of the drivers pull any shit without me telling them exactly why I don't want to go the way they're going.

We did have a guy who had absolutely no clue where to go because he was completely dependent on his (offline) gps and brand new to driving, but he was honest and just asked where to go. Nice guy. Gave him 5 stars.

TM

taxwonk 02-04-2015 06:00 PM

Re: Are Cabbies Satan? Discuss?
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 494000)
I thought there was, until Uber and some other companies I never heard of before today came along? Just like all drivers were treated like they were in a worker-state utopia?

Now I'm confused. If you're going to focus so much anger at one company or person, it really should mean that you believe that things were different and better before that company/person came along.

Like Dick Cheney or Roger Ailes.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 02-04-2015 06:54 PM

Re: I want to drive a Lincoln and spend my evenings drinking the very best Burgundy.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 494032)
I don't really get why you and Sidd are going at it so hard on this, but I will add that there are other reasons why Uber is a good business model.

1. You can rate the drivers, so if they want to continue to be successful, they will look at the transaction as one in which customer service means something. You'd think cabbies would do the same since they're so dependent on tips, but they quite simply do not.

2. You can tell where the car you're waiting on is and how long it will take to get to you. Even in the middle of the city, you sometimes have no idea when or if you're going to get a cab. That certainty is valuable.

3. You don't have to worry about tipping or handling money or swiping your card. You just get your ride, be polite and go about your business.

4. Uber will refund a portion of your ride if your driver tries to pull some slick shit. I had a driver take the fucking LIE to Laguardia (which entails driving way past the airport and then driving back). I complained and Uber instantly gave me a $40 credit for my next ride. All they had to do was check the route to confirm. And they actually care about keeping customers happy.

The surge pricing is absolute bullshit, though. It should be against the law. And they are (or have been) absolutely terrible telling people when and how much they are going to gouge them.

TM

My hostility to Uber isn't based on their tech, but on their corporate culture/attitude. Lots of people don't care. Yeah, I don't shop at Walmart either. And sometimes I swear about things I don't like.

But could cabbies and car services companies learn from them? Yeah, they could, a lot of things. Most of the cab companies are pretty mediocre corporate citizens themselves, but on more of a mom and pop scale. But on the technology some will catch up, others will not.

I'll speak up for at least one car service company I think was a decent corporate citizen, though, which was Boston Coach when run by Fidelity. And they did indeed hire people as employees and changed the service standards substantially. But, those days are gone.

But why the hostility to surge pricing? If I hail a cab in a snowstorm, damn straight I'm throwing the cabbie a massive tip for the service. All surge pricing does is move it from the tip into the price. I mean, Uber knows how to go overboard with when and where to apply it, but if I'm grabbing a cab on a Saturday night or during a traffic fiasco, I do appreciate the ride and throw them something extra.

Tyrone Slothrop 02-04-2015 07:18 PM

Re: I want to drive a Lincoln and spend my evenings drinking the very best Burgundy.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 494032)
I don't really get why you and Sidd are going at it so hard on this, but I will add that there are other reasons why Uber is a good business model.

1. You can rate the drivers, so if they want to continue to be successful, they will look at the transaction as one in which customer service means something. You'd think cabbies would do the same since they're so dependent on tips, but they quite simply do not.

2. You can tell where the car you're waiting on is and how long it will take to get to you. Even in the middle of the city, you sometimes have no idea when or if you're going to get a cab. That certainty is valuable.

3. You don't have to worry about tipping or handling money or swiping your card. You just get your ride, be polite and go about your business.

4. Uber will refund a portion of your ride if your driver tries to pull some slick shit. I had a driver take the fucking LIE to Laguardia (which entails driving way past the airport and then driving back). I complained and Uber instantly gave me a $40 credit for my next ride. All they had to do was check the route to confirm. And they actually care about keeping customers happy.

2, especially on #3. PayPal does that for them.

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The surge pricing is absolute bullshit, though. It should be against the law. And they are (or have been) absolutely terrible telling people when and how much they are going to gouge them.
I like surge pricing if it really induces more drivers to get on the road when you can't find a car. I bet they have data which shows whether this really happens, and it would be interesting to see what an independent analysis showed.

In my very limited experience, Uber is terrible about telling you how much a ride will cost. I had a friend visit and take Uber to the airport. As we waited for the car to show, I used my app to ask for a price quote. The fare he paid was twice as much. Did they somehow use their data to decide he's less price-sensitive and would pay through the nose? Or do they estimate much less than they charge?

Sidd Finch 02-04-2015 08:13 PM

Re: I want to drive a Lincoln and spend my evenings drinking the very best Burgundy.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 494032)
I don't really get why you and Sidd are going at it so hard on this.


It's not that hard -- I'm taking this as good-natured ribbing, and that's how my "sucking the cab companies' dicks" comment and other lines were meant.

If it's gotten beyond that, 'tis a bummer. Tone is often hard to convey in posts.

Were we in the same neighborhood right now, I would gladly buy GGG a drink or three, and I fully anticipate that he would accept. He's good that way (and like the bullshit UMC wanna-be-blue collar champion he is, he doesn't even leave a fucking tip).

Sidd Finch 02-04-2015 08:16 PM

Re: I want to drive a Lincoln and spend my evenings drinking the very best Burgundy.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 494038)
In my very limited experience, Uber is terrible about telling you how much a ride will cost. I had a friend visit and take Uber to the airport. As we waited for the car to show, I used my app to ask for a price quote. The fare he paid was twice as much. Did they somehow use their data to decide he's less price-sensitive and would pay through the nose? Or do they estimate much less than they charge?

Hank's wife told me she gets great discounts, but she wouldn't say why.


Seriously, I would think users would get very up-in-arms about the inaccurate price quotes. I mean, y'know -- computers and shit, right?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 02-04-2015 08:28 PM

Re: I want to drive a Lincoln and spend my evenings drinking the very best Burgundy.
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 494039)
(he doesn't even leave a fucking tip).

Well, maybe until now it was all fun and games.

Hank Chinaski 02-04-2015 08:28 PM

Re: I want to drive a Lincoln and spend my evenings drinking the very best Burgundy.
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 494039)

Were we in the same neighborhood right now, I would gladly buy GGG a drink or three, and I fully anticipate that he would accept. He's good that way (and like the bullshit UMC wanna-be-blue collar champion he is, he doesn't even leave a fucking tip).

What is the name of my former partner who told you two about me?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 02-04-2015 08:35 PM

Re: I want to drive a Lincoln and spend my evenings drinking the very best Burgundy.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 494043)
What is the name of my former partner who told you two about me?

The one who called you a socialist? Man, I'll need a drink in me before revealing that.

Or, I mean, I don't remember.

Hank Chinaski 02-04-2015 08:43 PM

Re: I want to drive a Lincoln and spend my evenings drinking the very best Burgundy.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 494045)
The one who called you a socialist? Man, I'll need a drink in me before revealing that.

Or, I mean, I don't remember.

I'm complimented. That they wouldn't stop fucking over young lawyers is why I left. Next time you see em tell em "Hank says he now makes Mike Kemp money" because he Nurtured the upcoming. Em will understand.

Hank Chinaski 02-04-2015 08:47 PM

Re: I want to drive a Lincoln and spend my evenings drinking the very best Burgundy.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 494045)
The one who called you a socialist? Man, I'll need a drink in me before revealing that.

Or, I mean, I don't remember.

I don't normally respond to the same post twice, especially since I quit this board, but it's almost 9 EST. You should have drinks in you now. You're not going to live forever. Carpe diem!

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 02-04-2015 08:49 PM

Re: I want to drive a Lincoln and spend my evenings drinking the very best Burgundy.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 494046)
I'm complimented. That they wouldn't stop fucking over young lawyers is why I left. Next time you see em tell em "Hank says he now makes Mike Kemp money" because he Nurtured the upcoming. Em will understand.

You should be.

And if your name comes up again, I will.


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