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pony_trekker 01-08-2004 02:29 PM

Lateness
 
Best thing to say:

"Sorry I'm late." If that. No explanation necessary.

robustpuppy 01-08-2004 02:31 PM

HOW TO LIE WELL?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
You didn't start using that excuse at, say, age 12?
I wasted much of my youth believing that such a thing would be anti-feminist and demonstrate a lack of integrity.

bilmore 01-08-2004 02:32 PM

HOW TO LIE WELL?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Even if you are some academic tax lawyer, appearance is, if not everything, a hugely disproportional factor (though the most effective "image" to project may vary from area to area).
Not knowing your audience can kill you. When I used to show up in court in any of the various Bumfuck, Northern Minnesota courtrooms, I had my "special" suit on (think "Salvation Army") and my "special" shoes (think "ditchdigging".) If I wasn't getting homied, and instead faced some other Cities lawyer who spiffed up, I'd end up having a casual conversation with the judge while prettyboy-or-girl shuffled their papers, or getting jurors to talk to me instead of doing the reticent act that they did with pretty-whatever.

paigowprincess 01-08-2004 02:34 PM

My type of suit
 
Quote:

Originally posted by pony_trekker
Red shirt, no pants or underwear, something sticking out of my ass:

http://home.tiscali.se/mysis77/puhbilder/spooh23.gif
I needed to see this again.

pony_trekker 01-08-2004 02:34 PM

HOW TO LIE WELL?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
. . . or getting jurors to talk to me instead of doing the reticent act that they did with pretty-whatever.
The way you "accidentally" dropped C- notes on the floor certainly helped.

purse junkie 01-08-2004 02:37 PM

Poster Boys
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I'm generally against lying in interviews anymore. My dress is who I am. If you don't dig the threads, you won't like me, so we shouldn't work together.
Fantastic. I am wearing my paint-covered ass-ripped jeans and ancient buttersoft holey t-shirt to my next meeting.

If I'm forced into lawyer drag, though, I did just pick up a drop-dead sexy charcoal grey pant suit on massive sale. I don't do skirts.

Atticus Grinch 01-08-2004 02:38 PM

HOW TO LIE WELL?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by robustpuppy
If asked, I just say "female problems" and am never pressed for details.
Note that this qualifies for the Costanza Rule for those of us with female bosses and/or wives. Just don't tell her that the "female problem" is her.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 01-08-2004 02:40 PM

Poster Boys
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bold_n_brazen
Hey Pot-Calling-the-Kettle-Black known as Paigow, I'll stop inventing stuff first said by someone else when you do. Until then, ____________known as __________ was invented by man-pleaser extraordinaire known as me.
You DID invent it. She was pointing out (using Sebbyspeak as part of the joke - hence the "cat" and "chick" lines) that she didn't buy the navy suit.

You, on the other hand, are using it not specifically as Sebbyspeak, but rather as a I'm-being-condescending-to-mom/dad/etc-by-referring-to-mom/dad/etc-as-a-name-other-than-what-you'd-normally-call-them-but-just-to-sarcastically-clarify-I-mean-mom/dad/etc.

Congratulations, man-pleaser known as bnb.

paigowprincess 01-08-2004 02:42 PM

Poster Boys
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
You DID invent it. She was pointing out (using Sebbyspeak as part of the joke - hence the "cat" and "chick" lines) that she didn't buy the navy suit.

You, on the other hand, are using it not specifically as Sebbyspeak, but rather as a I'm-being-condescending-to-mom/dad/etc-by-referring-to-mom/dad/etc-as-a-name-other-than-what-you'd-normally-call-them-but-just-to-sarcastically-clarify-I-mean-mom/dad/etc.
Thank you Immature Misogynististic Whiffer known as Coltrane

bilmore 01-08-2004 02:42 PM

HOW TO LIE WELL?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by pony_trekker
The way you "accidentally" dropped C- notes on the floor certainly helped.
Yeah, but up there, you drop crumpled notes. Here in the city, they need to be fresh and crisp.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 01-08-2004 02:43 PM

Poster Boys
 
Quote:

Originally posted by purse junkie
Fantastic. I am wearing my paint-covered ass-ripped jeans and ancient buttersoft holey t-shirt to my next meeting.
This is basically how I dress for most stuff; the remainder is basic black pants and conservative in cut but not in color shirts or, in winter, good sweaters.

If anyone doesn't like it, screw them.

Fugee 01-08-2004 02:45 PM

HOW TO LIE WELL?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by str8outavannuys
Corrollary: How do you (or people you've observed) lie badly? What mistakes do they make?
1. I have no poker face. Whatever is "in my hand" is reflected all over my face.

2. Even if I could keep a blank face for playing cards, my guilt about lying would show in my face and my voice.

I'm a terrible liar.

robustpuppy 01-08-2004 02:46 PM

Poster Boys
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
You DID invent it. She was pointing out (using Sebbyspeak as part of the joke - hence the "cat" and "chick" lines) that she didn't buy the navy suit.

You, on the other hand, are using it not specifically as Sebbyspeak, but rather as a I'm-being-condescending-to-mom/dad/etc-by-referring-to-mom/dad/etc-as-a-name-other-than-what-you'd-normally-call-them-but-just-to-sarcastically-clarify-I-mean-mom/dad/etc.

Congratulations, man-pleaser known as bnb.
Sometimes, it's so hard to think of something to say to a chick when all you want to do is buy more time to look at her tits.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 01-08-2004 02:47 PM

Poster Boys
 
Quote:

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Thank you Immature Misogynististic Whiffer known as Coltrane
You're welcome Ms. (and I stress "Ms.") Missing the joke behind the pointing out the obvious to something obvious a la answering rhetorical questions double whiffer known as Paigow.

ABBAKiss 01-08-2004 02:48 PM

HOW TO LIE WELL?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Fugee
I'm a terrible liar.
Me too. This actually helps me get away with stuff though because this fact is well known and I never let anyone forget it. So if ABBA says something that seems like it is a lie, it couldn't possibly be a lie because ABBA is a notoriously bad liar and is upfront about that.

That said, I do not lie often. Just on an as needed basis.

Shape Shifter 01-08-2004 02:50 PM

Poster Boys
 
Quote:

Originally posted by purse junkie
ancient buttersoft holey
I'm not sure this will work as an appetizer, but we'll go ahead and test market it in limited areas. Who knows? We may find a niche market.

paigowprincess 01-08-2004 02:50 PM

Poster Boys
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
You're welcome Ms. (and I stress "Ms.") Missing the joke behind the pointing out the obvious to something obvious a la answering rhetorical questions double whiffer known as Paigow.
I am mostly sure that the board will agree I am mainly correct that you are the whiffer. Why don't we make it a poll, dear, since you don't know when to shut up?

Atticus Grinch 01-08-2004 02:51 PM

HOW TO LIE WELL?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
(ii) Since I usually lie these days to get out of some fuckup or other, I've found acting really distressed/appologetic about the situation, while telling a story that makes it clear that absolutely nothing is my fault, is quite effective.
This is a board full of lawyers, hon. The only people here who can do this without setting off alarm bells in a four-block radius are you and me. All others are better advised to just go on the attack ASAP, and plausibly maintain the outrage until the audience loses all interest or desire to perpetuate the conversation.

Quote:

(v) If someone starts picking around the truth, ride it out and play dumb. Stop for a minute, think about it, and then say you don't understand. With any luck they will think they are saying something stupid and drop it.
This is brilliant. Also, if someone asks for a detail on which you didn't prepare, say, "Dunno; I didn't notice"* and keep going. At a point of calmer introspection, you can decide whether it will sound more implausible for you to suddenly remember and fill in the gap.

Also, don't smile unless its contextually appropriate to the lie. Liars often smile in a manner that doesn't crease their brow, because it's fake. People who say they can catch a liar's eyes are only partially right --- it has to do with facial muscles. When trying to spot a lie, watch what the liar does immediately after delivering a whopper. Usually their hand will fly up to their neck, ear, or cheek in some primordial defensive reaction, but it doesn't necessarily occur while the lie passes their lips --- it's more in response to what how the other person responds.

*Or, if you're Sebby, "Beats the fuck out of me, dude."

paigowprincess 01-08-2004 02:52 PM

Poster Boys
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I'm not sure this will work as an appetizer, but we'll go ahead and test market it in limited areas. Who knows? We may find a niche market.
Nuh uh. We can use it as at our spinoff chain Cooters Asia, and call it Floppy Woos.

robustpuppy 01-08-2004 02:53 PM

Poster Boys
 
Quote:

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Nuh uh. We can use it as at our spinoff chain Cooters Asia, and call it Floppy Woos.
I thought Floppy Woo was the Pekingese dog in that James Herriott book (All Creatures Great and Small, I think).

ETA now that I think about it, I think his name was Tricky Woo. I think that would attract a slightly different clientele.

NotFromHere 01-08-2004 02:57 PM

NFH of the day
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Also, don't explain yourself until someone asks. Walking in saying "Sorry, I'm late because...." Is like saying, "My canned excuse is as follows..." Wait for the asshole to ask you, then say "personal issue, won't happen again" politely and click your pen or adjust your glasses to give body language that says "I'm not discussing it and lets move on to the business at hand."
JHC dude. Slow day at work? You've posted more today than you have in months.

And for my NFH of the day - here is a mad cow. (spree: use of the f-word and the t-word)
Cute, until the end which is stupid.

Mad mad cow

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 01-08-2004 02:57 PM

Poster Boys
 
Quote:

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Nuh uh. We can use it as at our spinoff chain Cooters Asia, and call it Floppy Woos.
Bitch, please, you have to license the Cooters brand from me first.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 01-08-2004 02:59 PM

Poster Boys
 
Quote:

Originally posted by paigowprincess
I am mostly sure that the board will agree I am mainly correct that you are the whiffer. Why don't we make it a poll, dear, since you don't know when to shut up?
All I know is that it's fun to fight Paigow with Paigow*.

*creating a post that has the possibility of being funny on so many different levels but is so utterly illegible and unintellible that no one can discern where the joke is and on what level. So, at whatever level someone else respnds to, the Paigow can reply that it was on a different level, although even she (or the Paigower) didn't really know which level it applied to in the first place. In reality, it has no levels.

Try it! It's fun. Or does Dave Eggers already have a monopply of this tripe?

Shape Shifter 01-08-2004 03:02 PM

Poster Boys
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Bitch, please, you have to license the Cooters brand from me first.
Mascot, please. A deal's a deal. You agreed to have your mug featured on the logo and accepted a salaried position as head chef. Read the fine print. I expect to see you in the kitchen flipping cooterburgers, as agreed.

Tyrone Slothrop 01-08-2004 03:02 PM

Poster Boys
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
I had a hottie tell me I had a nice ass at lunch today, so I know they exist.
I thought she was responding to your question about the cut of meat they used to make your bologna sandwich, but I was having a hard time hearing you over the tractors. Entertaining place -- myself, I never would have noticed that shack.

Alex_de_Large 01-08-2004 03:03 PM

NFH of the day
 
Quote:

Originally posted by NotFromHere
JHC dude. Slow day at work? You've posted more today than you have in months.

And for my NFH of the day - here is a mad cow. (spree: use of the f-word and the t-word)
Cute, until the end which is stupid.

Mad mad cow
That made my day.

sebastian_dangerfield 01-08-2004 03:04 PM

HOW TO LIE WELL?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
This is a board full of lawyers, hon. The only people here who can do this without setting off alarm bells in a four-block radius are you and me. All others are better advised to just go on the attack ASAP, and plausibly maintain the outrage until the audience loses all interest or desire to perpetuate the conversation.



This is brilliant. Also, if someone asks for a detail on which you didn't prepare, say, "Dunno; I didn't notice"* and keep going. At a point of calmer introspection, you can decide whether it will sound more implausible for you to suddenly remember and fill in the gap.

Also, don't smile unless its contextually appropriate to the lie. Liars often smile in a manner that doesn't crease their brow, because it's fake. People who say they can catch a liar's eyes are only partially right --- it has to do with facial muscles. When trying to spot a lie, watch what the liar does immediately after delivering a whopper. Usually their hand will fly up to their neck, ear, or cheek in some primordial defensive reaction, but it doesn't necessarily occur while the lie passes their lips --- it's more in response to what how the other person responds.

*Or, if you're Sebby, "Beats the fuck out of me, dude."
As I tell every client before a dep, the three greaatest words in the English language, next to "I don't recall" are "I don't know."

No one, and I mean, no one, EVER gets me to commit to anything in writing. People send me "recap" letters all the time and I routinely write back "I diagree with your characterization of the conversation, but I'm not going to play revisionist historian here. Act accordingly." Know nothing until you need to know someonthing - and when that time comes, be very prepared and know it all.

No one can ever accuse you of lying if you never know anything.

sebastian_dangerfield 01-08-2004 03:07 PM

Poster Boys
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Bitch, please, you have to license the Cooters brand from me first.
Get back to your job at the nuke plant, fat boy. "Cooter" is either Paigs' or mine. I think its hers, but I'm a greddy self congratulatory fuck.

taxwonk 01-08-2004 03:08 PM

Poster Boys
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
I thought she was responding to your question about the cut of meat they used to make your bologna sandwich, but I was having a hard time hearing you over the tractors. Entertaining place -- myself, I never would have noticed that shack.
Of course you never would have noticed the place. You only "eat" at places that sell Thunderbird with the requisite brown paper bag.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 01-08-2004 03:08 PM

HOW TO LIE WELL?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield


No one can ever accuse you of lying if you never know anything.
Thank you, Peter Wallison

Not Bob 01-08-2004 03:09 PM

"The peasants are revolting!" "You're telling me -- don't they ever bathe?"
 
Quote:

Originally posted by dtb
I'm trying to throw that in for the litigators. I am a woman of the people -- I speak your language!
And we love you for it, your Majesty. Even though we sometimes mix up Jane Austen with that cute chick from the Go-Gos.

That being said, to respond to Sebby's point, I don't see a whole lotta chick lawyers here in Podunkville wearing tight and/or revealing stuff . There are lots of billowing shirts and pleated pants on the men and women in the business casual offices. And no skirts shorter than more than a few inches above the knees, or clingy tops without jackets, at non business casual work places. A few, yes, but not many. Alas.

I don't know if this carries over to Not Work clothes because I am old and don't go to the hep places where that "New Wave" music gets played.

robustpuppy 01-08-2004 03:09 PM

HOW TO LIE WELL?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
As I tell every client before a dep, the three greaatest words in the English language, next to "I don't recall" are "I don't know."

No one, and I mean, no one, EVER gets me to commit to anything in writing. People send me "recap" letters all the time and I routinely write back "I diagree with your characterization of the conversation, but I'm not going to play revisionist historian here. Act accordingly." Know nothing until you need to know someonthing - and when that time comes, be very prepared and know it all.

No one can ever accuse you of lying if you never know anything.
This explains why I never seem to have the time to write those memos to file that some people are foolish enough to request.

Well, this, and the female problems I am always having.

Shape Shifter 01-08-2004 03:09 PM

Nicole Richie Flashing
 
Quote:

Originally posted by str8outavannuys
I'm almost positive that the rumored threesome video with Paris Hilton does not involve Nicole Richie, but rather, Nicole Lenz, lingerie model and certifiably-nutso girl.

http://us.ent4.yimg.com/movies.yahoo...z/sundance.jpg
I hope you are right. But I've heard another rumor that it involves Katherine Harris.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com...rris_mh601.jpg

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 01-08-2004 03:10 PM

Poster Boys
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Get back to your job at the nuke plant, fat boy. "Cooter" is either Paigs' or mine. I think its hers, but I'm a greddy self congratulatory fuck.
So, you're saying she's wrong for fu'ing me for inventing the term?

dtb 01-08-2004 03:11 PM

Disco Stu never lies
 
Quote:

Originally posted by str8outavannuys
Anyone know anybody who got busted for lying to their boss about something serious? Any good stories?
I think I posted this story many-a-board ago, but it still makes me cringe with embarrassment for the guy.

So there's this associate (at Cravath, NTTAWWT) who has theater tickets or some such thing for one evening, and he has to leave by a certain time. It's getting to be 6:00 in the evening, so work is rolling in, and he hears the partner to whom he is indentured coming down the hall. What to do?!?

Well, his answer to that conundrum was to hide in his coat closet (and for those of you who have been to Cravath's [new -- as in now they're 12 years old] offices, you'll know that the coat closets are those "built-in" kinds -- the kind that really just fits a coat and some minor personal effects -- not the walk-in kind.]

So, partner comes into this schlub's office, and sees him away from his post, and wonders whether he's gone for the evening -- so, naturally, decides to check his coat closet to see if he's gone.


[Seriously, I'm cringing now...]

bilmore 01-08-2004 03:12 PM

NFH of the day
 
Quote:

Originally posted by NotFromHere
JHC dude. Slow day at work? You've posted more today than you have in months.

And for my NFH of the day - here is a mad cow. (spree: use of the f-word and the t-word)
Cute, until the end which is stupid.

Mad mad cow
A. You really should have the word "Sound" in your spree.

B. No worries, though, as fourteen of us just crowded around and watched and laughed our asses off.

Shape Shifter 01-08-2004 03:14 PM

Disco Stu never lies
 
Quote:

Originally posted by dtb
I think I posted this story many-a-board ago, but it still makes me cringe with embarrassment for the guy.

So there's this associate (at Cravath, NTTAWWT) who has theater tickets or some such thing for one evening, and he has to leave by a certain time. It's getting to be 6:00 in the evening, so work is rolling in, and he hears the partner to whom he is indentured coming down the hall. What to do?!?

Well, his answer to that conundrum was to hide in his coat closet (and for those of you who have been to Cravath's [new -- as in now they're 12 years old] offices, you'll know that the coat closets are those "built-in" kinds -- the kind that really just fits a coat and some minor personal effects -- not the walk-in kind.]

So, partner comes into this schlub's office, and sees him away from his post, and wonders whether he's gone for the evening -- so, naturally, decides to check his coat closet to see if he's gone.


[Seriously, I'm cringing now...]
Dave (as Girl Drink Drunk): I'm looking for paper clips!

SlaveNoMore 01-08-2004 03:16 PM

Out of the Closet
 
Quote:

dtb
So, partner comes into this schlub's office, and sees him away from his post, and wonders whether he's gone for the evening -- so, naturally, decides to check his coat closet to see if he's gone.


[Seriously, I'm cringing now...]
that a CSM partner would go rummaging through my closet to see if I left for the evening would make me cringe too

robustpuppy 01-08-2004 03:20 PM

Disco Stu never lies
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Dave (as Girl Drink Drunk): I'm looking for paper clips!
I was curious about this Girl Drink Drunk expression and to my great amusement, found this at urban dictionary. It's verbatim:

Quote:

girl-drink-drunk
8 votes

any male that gets drunk on what would be considered a girl drink (cocktail, champagne, wine)

Nathan loves to eat Ramon and drink his champagne while watching TV; he is a girl drink drunk.

dtb 01-08-2004 03:22 PM

HOW TO LIE WELL?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Also, don't explain yourself until someone asks. Walking in saying "Sorry, I'm late because...." Is like saying, "My canned excuse is as follows..." Wait for the asshole to ask you, then say "personal issue, won't happen again" politely and click your pen or adjust your glasses to give body language that says "I'm not discussing it and lets move on to the business at hand."
Exactly. Akin to the shoulder-shrug and turning away. Very good.

And (not to dredge up an old conversation, but...) as a rule, men can get away with showing up late more easily than women. I think people assume women were doing something frivolous, while a man must have had a good excuse. Ahhh, the double standard...

Kind of like: a woman with pictures of her family on her desk puts her family before work, while a man with pictures of his family on his desk is a "solid, family man". [This is an actual bit of "evidence" from a survey on this subject -- I didn't make this up.]


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