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spookyfish 12-11-2003 10:39 AM

Truly Hot Women
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Not Bob

Apropos of nothing, I suggest that volleyball players are to guys what lacrosse players are to the lay-dees. Uh, or so I hear.
Are you implying that a disproportionate number of lax players are lesbians, or am I misconstruing your statement?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 12-11-2003 10:40 AM

Truly Hot Women
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Not Bob
I suggest that volleyball players are to guys what lacrosse players are to the lay-dees.
Huh? They're curiously tall, and wear those weird panties during games. Swimmers and/or divers hold much more appeal.

Unless you're talking about beach volleyballers, in which case you're talking about a stripper-athlete hybrid, which isn't bad at all. BUt you don't find many of them in college, just on the beach.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 12-11-2003 10:41 AM

In an effort to wean this board from the cooter - The RS 500 Greatest Albums
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Wow. I own 118 of those albums.
Albums are so 20th century.

Hank Chinaski 12-11-2003 10:48 AM

Truly Hot Women
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
beach volleyballers, in which case you're talking about a stripper-athlete hybrid, which isn't bad at all. BUt you don't find many of them in college, just on the beach.
for those trying to guess Burger's real identify, here's another factoid- he did not attend UC Santa Cruz.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 12-11-2003 10:50 AM

Truly Hot Women
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
for those trying to guess Burger's real identify, here's another factoid- he did not attend UC Santa Cruz.
You don't find many students at UC Santa Cruz. You find them on the beach.

notcasesensitive 12-11-2003 10:51 AM

In an effort to wean this board from the cooter - The RS 500 Greatest Albums
 
Quote:

Originally posted by evenodds
Edited to add: this is my favorite entry:
422. The Best of the Girl Groups, Volumes 1 and 2 , Various Artists
That is really funny. I noticed that there was some sort of various artists compilation (I think in the top 100). In light of the fact it was eligible, I'm surprised that the Ronco disco compilition that I telephone ordered in 1979 didn't make the list. Ronco knows music.

sebastian_dangerfield 12-11-2003 10:52 AM

Truly Hot Women
 
Quote:

Originally posted by NotFromHere
Perhaps I wasn't clear. It's not whether you bothered to match the shoes and the belt, it's whether you cared enough to pay $100 for one or not in the first place.

You are absolutely right about paying up front for a nice pair of shoes being thrifty, but be honest - did you have a pair of Ferragamos when you were 21? Or did the thought of paying $400 for shoes instead of drugs strike you as stupid? I'm willing to bet that you didn't buy your first pair of $400 shoes until you stopped drinking beer for breakfast. It's not all about the $$ per se, but a man who wears nice shoes (and has them polished and doesn't walk the heels off and doesn't have tattered laces) will typically have come to a realization that money spent properly isn't stupid. I'm still not being clear - just think about yourself. If I saw you in a bar with your Guccis, I wouldn't necessarily say anything, but I would give you the time of day waay before I would waste my time talking to a guy who wore some ratty old adidas.

I'm just saying - this is how the girls talk (the ones I know anyway). If you don't think a girl notices when a guy has walked the heels off his shoes, or walked the hem off his pants, think again.
Actually, I always wore good shoes. My old man turned me on to Aldens when I was a kid and I've worn them as a staple since. The damn things never give up. I've had hiking boots that died quicker. The Alden loafer is also one of the few loafers you can wear with a suit, and I hate wearing lace-ups.

I have only a few pairs of the Ferragamo/Gucci stuff and only purchased it because my wife said the Aldens are too stuffy and conservative. I don't care too much for the Ferragamos and rarely wear them, but the Gucci loafers are pretty comfortable.

Who gives a shit what "the girls" talk about. Most of the chicks you're referring to have shit for brains anyway, and are only worth fucking and chucking. Those you'd really want to meet are open-minded enough not to judge a man solely by his shoes.

You should reconsider your approach to men. If you talked to me in my expensive shoes you'd be flirting with a high maintenance pain in the ass who's probably more trouble than he's worth. If you talked to my buddy who owns his own company but is wearing a ski parka and a pair of jeans you'd probably meet a much more centered cat who'll probably retire just about the time I'm losing my ass again in the market...

Sparklehorse 12-11-2003 10:53 AM

Truly Hot Women
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
Don't forget Long Island. CW Post always seems to field a powerful team of homegrown kids.
There was a great piece by John Seabrook in The New Yorker about the game a few years back. Link to article here.

Grape_Ape 12-11-2003 10:55 AM

Cartoons beyond jejune baboons
 
Quote:

Wow, a Dead tribute song. I am truly honored.

And thank you for changing that wretched moving, blinking, Times Square before Giuliani avatar. But I have to say the cartoon avatar is only a mild improvement. While it isnt annoying, it should be avoided. Why? Look at the posters who have them. They are highly unoriginal, convey nothing about the poster, and generally indicate in my mind, a modicum of laziness (ie you downloaded it from here or some other avatar website). I note that yours matches your moniker perfectly, but I suspect that you probably stumbled across an avatar, decided to make a sock, and then named it after the avatar. Sort of a reverse genesis of the sock identity, but who could resist that flshy, purple moving ape thing you had?

In any event, thank you.
Take it, take it Paigow P., just don't tell them that you love me.

You're welcome for the tribute. But know that I didn't stumble across an avatar, the identity came first. (Could it possibly have to do with the fact that I drink lots of grape juice post work outs? Or that in this blizzardy weather, the jizzcicles I spew might be grape infused? Or that my natural hirsute propensity, now nicely manscaped, combined with my affinity and radiation of the unfermented fruit of the vine, might have garnered me a nickname?)

Just one thing I ask of you, just one thing for me,
Please change your views on cartoons, my darling Paigow P.

DFH's_Shit_Shoveler 12-11-2003 10:58 AM

Truly Hot Women
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Actually, I always wore good shoes. My old man turned me on to Aldens when I was a kid and I've worn them as a staple since. The damn things never give up. I've had hiking boots that died quicker. The Alden loafer is also one of the few loafers you can wear with a suit, and I hate wearing lace-ups.

I have only a few pairs of the Ferragamo/Gucci stuff and only purchased it because my wife said the Aldens are too stuffy and conservative. I don't care too much for the Ferragamos and rarely wear them, but the Gucci loafers are pretty comfortable.

Who gives a shit what "the girls" talk about. Most of the chicks you're referring to have shit for brains anyway, and are only worth fucking and chucking. Those you'd really want to meet are open-minded enough not to judge a man solely by his shoes.

You should reconsider your approach to men. If you talked to me in my expensive shoes you'd be flirting with a high maintenance pain in the ass who's probably more trouble than he's worth. If you talked to my buddy who owns his own company but is wearing a ski parka and a pair of jeans you'd probably meet a much more centered cat who'll probably retire just about the time I'm losing my ass again in the market...
I am late for work so the shoveling is delayed. Look where you step as I hate to see a nice pair of Ferragamos wasted.

spookyfish 12-11-2003 11:01 AM

Truly Hot Women
 
Quote:

Originally posted by DFH's_Shit_Shoveler
I am late for work so the shoveling is delayed. Look where you step as I hate to see a nice pair of Ferragamos wasted.
Now this is a worthy sock. (hi e/o!)

AngryMulletMan 12-11-2003 11:18 AM

Canadian Lacrosse
 
We may have been over all this before, but the Canadians are all over lacrosse:

Even worse than Mercedes-Benz naming their new crossover concept the GST (Grand Sport Tourer), not a particularly positive association with the much hated Goods & Services Tax (GST) in our country, General Motors has named a car the 'masturbation'.

Although to most Canadians lacrosse is the name of a sport, it has a far different meaning in Quebec. Buick's LaCrosse (concept shown) will be renamed for Canada. (Photo: General Motors)
Its Buick LaCrosse concept that has just been announced for production, lacrosse a name most Canadians know as an indigenous peoples' sport, is slang for masturbation in Quebec, embarrassing GM officials according to the domestic automaker.

http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/...py?artid=18027

purse junkie 12-11-2003 11:20 AM

Chocolate Emergency; Sex'n'Shoes
 
Where the hell can I find good *dark* chocolate gelt? The artificial 'milk chocolate' crap from CVS is not going to cut it. Sweet tooths of the FB, please help!

Also, Sebby's just wrong on shoes. Nice ones are not a dealbreaker. But most guys set the fashion/grooming bar so low with the same pair of half-poly Dockers and dead-dot-com polo shirt that it's an easy way to show you're not a tasteless blockhead. Why not give yourself an edge?

And if you have nice shoes but are still an ass, the women will figure it out fast anyway. So don't worry about well-shod losers getting quality play.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 12-11-2003 11:24 AM

Chocolate Emergency; Sex'n'Shoes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by purse junkie


Also, Sebby's just wrong on shoes. Nice ones are not a dealbreaker. . . .

And if you have nice shoes but are still an ass, the women will figure it out fast anyway. So don't worry about well-shod losers getting quality play.
Well, that and pairing loafers, no matter how nice, with a suit.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 12-11-2003 11:28 AM

Chocolate Emergency; Sex'n'Shoes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by purse junkie
Where the hell can I find good *dark* chocolate gelt? The artificial 'milk chocolate' crap from CVS is not going to cut it.

And isn't gelt like passover wine: doomed to be horrible tasting for eternity through over-sweetness?

bilmore 12-11-2003 11:30 AM

Truly Hot Women
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Huh? They're curiously tall, and wear those weird panties during games. Swimmers and/or divers hold much more appeal.

Unless you're talking about beach volleyballers, in which case you're talking about a stripper-athlete hybrid, which isn't bad at all. BUt you don't find many of them in college, just on the beach.
No one tops the skiers and snowboarders.

No one.

dtb 12-11-2003 11:34 AM

Truly Hot Women
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Most of the chicks you're referring to have shit for brains anyway, and are only worth fucking and chucking.
Wow, you are so classy! It's no wonder you were snapped up -- she's one lucky gal!


Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Those you'd really want to meet are open-minded enough not to judge a man solely by his shoes.
While this whole discussion is really tiresome, to be fair, that's not what she said. She said that was one of the elements.

Just to add some market color (OK, I've totally given away what I do for a living....), a friend of mine from college told me some advice her mother gave her when she was a wee lass:

If you ever get lost, try to find a policeman to help you, if you can't find a policeman, try to find a woman with a child to help you, and if you can't find either of those, look for a man in a suit wearing [nice] [expensive] (can't remember which she used) shoes.

bilmore 12-11-2003 11:34 AM

In an effort to wean this board from the cooter - The RS 500 Greatest Albums
 
Quote:

Originally posted by spookyfish
Just off the top of my head, I'm surprised that Sgt. Pepper's is at number one. It isn't even the best Beatles album. Revolver should take the #1 slot. I've never understood why Sgt. Pepper received the hype it does, other than that it was the Beatles response to Pet Sounds. It's a great album, but frankly there are better albums out there.
I think there are two ways to rank albums over a long period, and RS has picked my favorite method, which involves more the impact of an album at its contemporary height as opposed to a current look. SPep was very much a high-impact album when it came out, signaling a course change of sorts for the Beatles, and also containing quite a few themes that were meaningful then, but old and cliche'd now. Revolver, while it might be ranked better today, didn't have near the impact back when.

This poll doesn't appear to be the play list of every "classic rock" station across the country today. It does, however, resemble a sampling of every monthly slice of musical importance over time.

purse junkie 12-11-2003 11:35 AM

Chocolate Emergency; Sex'n'Shoes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
And isn't gelt like passover wine: doomed to be horrible tasting for eternity through over-sweetness?
I refuse to accept eternal curses on chocolates. Just as there are now some decent kosher wineries popping up that avoid the Manischewitz cough-syrup effect, I fully expect, and demand, more sophisticated Hanukkah sweets.

And in the interests of cross-cultural harmony, I promise I will also lobby for less crappy chocolate Easter bunnies. So help me out here someone!

sebastian_dangerfield 12-11-2003 11:36 AM

In an effort to wean this board from the cooter - The RS 500 Greatest Albums
 
Quote:

Originally posted by paigowprincess
I have no issues bc music is totally subjective and the fact that you cannot go two seconds without seeing yet another list of the greatest whatevers in a magazine or tv channel doesnt really enhance my faith in such things.

That said, I think the Dead are underated for studio albums. American Beauty is a great album (Candyman haunts me), and Working Man's Dead is killer. The Here Comes Sunshine on Wake of the Flood is one of the greatest tunes ever recorded and so is Alabama Getaway from Go to Heaven (an album widely derided as schlock on a new label as I recall). Very few records put out in recent years could hold a candle to any of this. Jerry Garcia was an absolute musical prodigy, as shown in the wide range of musical styles that the Dead covered, wrote and innovated. I don't think I would know anything about jug music (and I dont mean the Bob Seger tunes that the strippers rub themselves to at tittie bars) were it not for the Dead. And I dont think a RS defintitive list is gonna change my mind. Just remember when you were growing up and they had these countdowns of the Greatest Rock N Roll Song Ever and the number one tune was always Stairway to Heaven? Exactly.
I hate you for going down this road Paigs...

Anthem of the Sun is THE Dead masterpiece. Sure, Beauty and Workingman's are classics, but Anthem is true Dead as they sounded at Kesey's acid tests. Did you buy Dicks Picks 22 yet? Its fucking amazing.

The Dead were not undderepresented in regard to albums on that 500 best list, except that Anthem should have been there. Where they were underrepresented was in rank - American Beauty and Workingman's should have been top 75. Anthem and Live Dead should have been top 50.

And Please buy Two From the Vault. Next to DP 22, its the finest slice of real primal Dead as they should be heard available.

As to the remainder of the 500 list, I say fuck any list where Neil Young's higest rank is in the 70s.

Oh, and one more thing... 5 years ago never Mind the Bollocks Here's the Sex Pistols was #2. In the 500 list is was 53. It fell forty eight slots in 5 years? WTF? Pretty fucking arbitrary.

sebastian_dangerfield 12-11-2003 11:39 AM

Chocolate Emergency; Sex'n'Shoes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Well, that and pairing loafers, no matter how nice, with a suit.
1. They're more comfortable.

2. It shows subtle contempt for the grooming rules adhered to by the white shoe assholes I work around.

3. I'm talking Alden point toed loafers, not penny loafers or Guccis with silver shit on them.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 12-11-2003 11:40 AM

Chocolate Emergency; Sex'n'Shoes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by purse junkie
I refuse to accept eternal curses on chocolates. Just as there are now some decent kosher wineries popping up that avoid the Manischewitz cough-syrup effect, I fully expect, and demand, more sophisticated Hanukkah sweets.
Well, it took only 5700+ years to get the wine straightened out. What's another 5000 or so for the chocolate?

notcasesensitive 12-11-2003 11:40 AM

shoes, and etc.
 
This entire shoes/watch discussion has reinforced that I must be a lower class loser at heart. I will now publicly admit that I have never looked at any guy's shoes or watch upon meeting in a bar. And, even more alarming, I would not know Gucci from Ferregamo from anyone else. I don't shop for men's shoes. I suppose if I looked at a watch and (a) the emblem was a commonly recognizable one and (b) it was large enough to see it, then I might know what brand the watch was. Having never in my life looked at a guy's watch in a bar though, this is only speculation.

And when I have met guys with super expensive cars, I've typically had the impression that they were either living beyond their means or they placed way more value on cars than I do.

Seriously, do women do this shit? None of my friends do (that I know of) and I live in the runner-up shallowist city in America. And what are they hoping to gain? (that was rhetorical, I guess)

I must have been doing the whole singles scene incorrectly when I was in it.

As an aside, there is a trust fund loser who siphons money off of his family instead of holding down a job who is available in Dallas, for any golddiggers out there. I'm not really sure that much gold is involved, but it is apparently enough for the 28-year-old loser who I dated a couple years back to sit around his house all day. Maybe if I had studied his watch and shoes I might have picked up on how worthless he is, but I doubt it.

I'll take my work-a-day lawyer bf, complete with his normal guy car, shoes and watch.

DFH's_Shit_Shoveler 12-11-2003 11:41 AM

Chocolate Emergency; Sex'n'Shoes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by purse junkie
Where the hell can I find good *dark* chocolate gelt? The artificial 'milk chocolate' crap from CVS is not going to cut it. Sweet tooths of the FB, please help!

Also, Sebby's just wrong on shoes. Nice ones are not a dealbreaker. But most guys set the fashion/grooming bar so low with the same pair of half-poly Dockers and dead-dot-com polo shirt that it's an easy way to show you're not a tasteless blockhead. Why not give yourself an edge?

And if you have nice shoes but are still an ass, the women will figure it out fast anyway. So don't worry about well-shod losers getting quality play.
Thanks for visiting the stall. However, though it may look like chocolate at a glance, it is shit. Beware.

bilmore 12-11-2003 11:42 AM

In an effort to wean this board from the cooter - The RS 500 Greatest Albums
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Oh, and one more thing... 5 years ago never Mind the Bollocks Here's the Sex Pistols was #2. In the 500 list is was 53. It fell forty eight slots in 5 years? WTF? Pretty fucking arbitrary.
Not if you look at this as not being weighted towards current sentiment over the sentiment at the time of the music.

(But, by those standards, 2ftV should have been in there, too.)

DFH's_Shit_Shoveler 12-11-2003 11:43 AM

Truly Hot Women
 
Quote:

Originally posted by dtb
Wow, you are so classy! It's no wonder you were snapped up -- she's one lucky gal!




While this whole discussion is really tiresome, to be fair, that's not what she said. She said that was one of the elements.

Just to add some market color (OK, I've totally given away what I do for a living....), a friend of mine from college told me some advice her mother gave her when she was a wee lass:

If you ever get lost, try to find a policeman to help you, if you can't find a policeman, try to find a woman with a child to help you, and if you can't find either of those, look for a man in a suit wearing [nice] [expensive] (can't remember which she used) shoes.
Didn't you get the memo?

Shape Shifter 12-11-2003 11:43 AM

In an effort to wean this board from the cooter - The RS 500 Greatest Albums
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
As to the remainder of the 500 list, I say fuck any list where Neil Young's higest rank is in the 70s.
And that includes the Caprenters and No Doubt.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 12-11-2003 11:43 AM

Chocolate Emergency; Sex'n'Shoes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
1. They're more comfortable.

So are these:

http://www.churchsshoes.com/TEMPLATE...gsovereign.gif

But I'm not wearing them with a suit, even if my client is Playboy Inc.

notcasesensitive 12-11-2003 11:47 AM

Chocolate Emergency; Sex'n'Shoes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
So are these:

http://www.churchsshoes.com/TEMPLATE...gsovereign.gif

But I'm not wearing them with a suit, even if my client is Playboy Inc.
Right. Because you'd be wearing pajamas and a smoking jacket. Duh.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 12-11-2003 11:48 AM

shoes, and etc.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by notcasesensitive


As an aside, there is a trust fund loser who siphons money off of his family instead of holding down a job who is available in Dallas, for any golddiggers out there. I'm not really sure that much gold is involved, but it is apparently enough for the 28-year-old loser who I dated a couple years back to sit around his house all day.
If my similarly limited experience, those ones who sit around the house all day are the ones who can least afford to do so on their limited trust funds. Soon they'll be 35, have $200k left in some crap stocks, and have to figure out how the fuck to make an actual living for the next 50 years. It takes a while for some folks to realize that unless you live off of only the interest (or less), a trust fund actually can be depleted.

The ones whose funds are sufficiently ample to allow for a lifetime of such behavior are either working at daddy's/family's bank (or similar fairly legitimate business) or are doing things like teaching schoolchildren or working for some sort of charitable foundation.

purse junkie 12-11-2003 11:49 AM

In an effort to wean this board from the cooter - The RS 500 Greatest Albums
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
As to the remainder of the 500 list, I say fuck any list where Neil Young's higest rank is in the 70s.
What? His voice has become absolutely unbearable. Who cares if he's an icon? He sounds like a fully loaded drunk scrounging for loose change by hooting at passers-by.

Really.

evenodds 12-11-2003 11:49 AM

shoes, and etc.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
I live in the runner-up shallowist city in America.
Runner up?????

I would put Big D ahead of LA, especially since the shallowness has no reason. I can understand plastic surgery to get a job, but to get a man?!

purse junkie 12-11-2003 11:50 AM

Chocolate Emergency; Sex'n'Shoes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
Right. Because you'd be wearing pajamas and a smoking jacket. Duh.
I actually love vintage smoking jackets. On me. Smashing.

evenodds 12-11-2003 11:52 AM

shoes, and etc.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
If my similarly limited experience, those ones who sit around the house all day are the ones who can least afford to do so on their limited trust funds. Soon they'll be 35, have $200k left in some crap stocks, and have to figure out how the fuck to make an actual living for the next 50 years. It takes a while for some folks to realize that unless you live off of only the interest (or less), a trust fund actually can be depleted.
So, you know my father?

Pretty Little Flower 12-11-2003 11:52 AM

shoes, and etc.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
This entire shoes/watch discussion has reinforced that I must be a lower class loser at heart.
Pity, that. At least you have gained some self-awareness, albeit rather painfully.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 12-11-2003 11:53 AM

shoes, and etc.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by evenodds
So, you know my father?
We tried to get him to understand.

notcasesensitive 12-11-2003 11:57 AM

shoes, and etc.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by evenodds
Runner up?????

I would put Big D ahead of LA, especially since the shallowness has no reason. I can understand plastic surgery to get a job, but to get a man?!
Not true. I understand that your Austin-colored glasses force you to look down on Dallas, but seriously LA is the hands-down winner. People in Dallas don't expect you to be anyone. Not being anyone in LA is an ignore-worthy offense. No offence.

str8, care to back me up?

[This is not to say that I would not live in LA, but it is to say that it would be an adjustment, even coming from Dallas. I think any city with good weather is a place I could live, but that is mainly because I choose not to get caught up in the stuff that I consider to be ridiculous bullshit.]

spookyfish 12-11-2003 12:01 PM

shoes, and etc.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
I choose not to get caught up in the stuff that I consider to be ridiculous bullshit.
I call bullshit. You have over 1600 posts.

And you're perpetuating this thread.

sebastian_dangerfield 12-11-2003 12:02 PM

In an effort to wean this board from the cooter - The RS 500 Greatest Albums
 
Quote:

Originally posted by purse junkie
What? His voice has become absolutely unbearable. Who cares if he's an icon? He sounds like a fully loaded drunk scrounging for loose change by hooting at passers-by.

Really.
Go wash your mouth out with soap, woman.

Harvest
Everbody Knows This is Nowhere
Rust Never Sleeps
Live Rust
Tonight's the Night
On the Beach
Weld
Harvest Moon
etc...

Sure, his vocal cords are worn thin, but the man is one of the best of his time. I'd put his catalogue up there with Dylan's any day.

robustpuppy 12-11-2003 12:02 PM

Truly Hot Women
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I'm not a math major but given that her kid is already born and the best case scenario is you can't have one for about 9 months, I'm thinking that odds are, they would not be attending the same senior prom. Maybe BnB's kid can fail a grade or two. No offence.
Duh. Obviously Paigow's kid is going to date up a grade or two. Maybe by stealing the brazenette's senior hymenbuster.


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