Is To! Is Not!
 

Reopened.

Sam Harris is not even close to a bigot.

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

Thanks for this article. I haven't seen it.

TM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

Don't expect any crazy exchanges in that podcast. The conversation is lucid, thoughtful, and low key.

The one where Klein and Harris go at it is way hotter. Klein makes some really solid points, but in the end, Harris corners him on being pro-censorship and Klein, realizing he's in a tight spot, pretty much concedes that yes, he is.

I have to respect Klein's candor in it.

Re: Fantastic
 

First of all, what difference does it make? The point is that there is a built-in advantage that perpetuates itself.

Second, it's not just because there are more whites. The problem is the positions whites are in based on a hundreds of years of huge advantages. So not only are there more whites. There are way more rich and powerful whites.

Third, no matter how much you try to ignore the fact that white people absolutely do not associate with black and other minority people in a significant way and do not formulate relationships that are deep and meaningful in a way that would create opportunities at the same levels for black people, that fact cannot be avoided.

I don't think you know what "anecdote" means.

If you want to argue that wealthy and powerful (even relatively speaking) white people have tons of black friends, you can have that argument on that island you're sitting on by yourself.

No need to dignify something so obvious. It stands on its own.

TM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

I'm not clicking on that. Hell, it takes everything I have to not skip Sebby's posts altogether.

TM

Re: Fantastic
 

You cited a difference. I offered simple math explaining it.

I didn't say it the math explained it in total. But it explains an awful lot of it. And you overlooked that math.

I'm not ignoring it. I accept most of that.

I do not accept that this applies to all minorities if one lumps Jews, Asians, Middle-Easterners, Indians, and Latinos into the "minorities." But you're correct regarding Blacks. That segregation persists.

You asserted that whites with minority friends tended not to be powerful whites. This could only based on anecdata.

Since we're comparing anecdotes, my observation would be that the more educated and intelligent a person is, the less he focuses on race or ethnic background. I'm more likely to see a diverse crowd at a wealthy person's party than at a middle class white party.

But that's just more "bullshit" from me, of course.

If we've reached the nadir where an article stating that white people are defensive about race issues cannot be criticized without the infantile response, "See, you proved the point!", this place is done. If a person is going to engage in that silliness, he might as well title the thread, "This Post Is Irrefutable: Read It, Accept It in Total, and Don't Dare Reply!"

...Actually, that title pretty much sums up the United States at the moment, right and left.

TM[/QUOTE]

Re: Fantastic
 

Yo, whatever man.

TM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

They were not white at the time, just as latinx immigrants are not white now, regardless of how white they look.

But they could access whiteness, historically often by placing themselves in contrast with black people, who are obviously not white.

"White" is a construct that's meaning can and has changed over time.

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

oh Fuck. It's one thing when ggg or T maps my post.......:confused:

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

I would love a little button at the bottom of comments on an article that could be clicked that points this out. Makes for easier scrolling through.

Report from the Patch
 

Michigan is a blue state, that, as we know, went red. Our state legislature is heavily R, but that is Gerrymandering. We've regularly had R governors and the odd Senator- but to win statewide they have to be a business R, who feels close to liberal on abortion/gay rights etc.

So I was curious what the upcoming R primaries look like- are the candidates distancing from Trump? I watch little live TV, not claiming to read constantly so I don't watch anything (Hi Ty!), I constantly watch stuff, but mostly things like Mr. Ed on disc.

So I only recently saw the current TV ads- there is a smear ad for candidate 1 showing candidate 2- film of him saying things like, "Of course I don't agree with what Trump does, I mean, the stuff with women." 3 or 4 things quite similar.

The voice over then explains that #2 cannot be trusted to help move Trump's good works forward.

2's answer? I expected, "No shit. I'm not that kind of R." He'll need that to win in November.

But instead, the answer was film continuing after the earlier quotes- in each case he went on to say- "but, I can live with that behavior because he's the best President ever!" Or something like that.

There is no attempt to distance, to the contrary.

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

I think your hostility to Google and their cafeterias, or the notion of them that you have, has not so much to do with the way they make food available to their employees. The Google cafeteria I went to wasn't "pimped out," whatever that means. The eBay cafeteria I went to wasn't subsidized, as far as I can tell, and I don't think you really object to subsidies there -- or do you think law-firm cafeterias need to calculate the market cost of the rent they don't pay and increase their prices by that amount? Surely no.

Aaron Peskin's proposal is a stupid idea. If, like some of us, you work at a company that brings in a decent lunch and you much prefer that to having to go out and get food, it's hard to understand why taking away the former option makes anyone better off. But if you have a bee in your bonnet about something else, maybe it sounds awesome.

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

What bias? Roberts is reporting about a poll. Seriously?

I was amazed that anyone could think that Harris came off well in that exchange. Maybe you can quote where Klein "argues for censorship in academia," because that's not what I recall. (Or maybe you can't.)

Re: Report from the Patch
 

Same in Florida - the current Ag Commissioner Adam Putnam was expected to cruise to the GOP nomination and then to the governor’s mansion. Now he’s down by double-digits in the polls to a relatively junior congressman endorsed by President Trump. And the New York Times is ON IT.

Re: Report from the Patch
 

"It's always the economy, stupid."

The way to beat Trump in a state like that is to cite wages lagging, and how little of the tax cuts went to lower to middle class voters. Also blame the gas price increases on Trump's middle eastern policy (that's untrue, but whatever) and highlight the damage he's done to Obamacare.

Emphasizing Russia, pee tapes, and #metoo is the dangerous and unnecessary route. Use those only as icing where necessary.